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A little harder but would not solve the problem. I'm for that anyway. Massacres of Arab against Jews happend long before any occupation during 1920s and 1930s. In Quran its written that Islam is the only legitimate religion, and other religions can live under Islam as inferiors and only according to Sharia laws. To think Israel is the root of the problem is foolishness. See the terror in europe, the terror groups of arabs do to one another too in the same brutality.

@_Archangel_ Trying to understand the reality of Israel and the conflict through mathematics of words and terms, without zooming out to see the bigger context, is precisely what the best lies are made of. See my answer to @zazen above which in I explained what I personally think. What you did is like to collect puzzle pieces that seems to connect physically but when you zoom out there is no picture created because you connected it wrong.

@Karmadhi Again, when you have 10,000s terror targets to attack, you cannot think every single time how to hit only the terrorists, even if you try your best, it is unrealistic, and given the virus clever strategies to disguise itself to healthy cells and use them as his hosts as its only possible strategy to survive. In this situation, more loose attacks will indeed happen. I am not trying to pretend the war is clean from any side because its not possible to fight clean with this kind of virus. However to equate the two sides is uttetly rediculous. The difference in values, education, thinking, intentions, motivations, goals... night and day difference. In the root this is not because what Israel did in the past but Israel made this worse you are right. Hezbollah in Lebanon for example holds the exact same ideology and intention, but it is not palestinian, it is a direct Iran's proxy formed in the help of IRGC and isn't occupied by anyone and antyhing.

@Karmadhi Sorry but there is no symmetry and no comparison at all between one side does torture and killing intentionally than other side who was never meant to initiate any war like this unless being provoked severely, and has, as I said before, to deal with a parasital virus who use healthy cells as his hosts to survive and nothing will change that fact. The details as tragic as they are cannot be seen out of the bigger context. If the world will start to talk also about the abuse, tyranni and brainwhashing Gazans children are already go through under hamas's cult leaving them no decent life or future anyway even before the war, then a deep discussion can be done. And any comparison between nazis and a war happened in 1948 is a jock and jock is an understatement.

Raping, butching, kidnap, killing babies, burn babies, killing children in their beds... sounds to you as a self deffense? Do you have a better way to deal with 40,000 terrorist parasite viruses hiding behind healthy cells as their only possible strategy to survive and reproduce? Do you think the fear of being killed in captive in any moment is really comparable to being prisoned in surely much better conditions with no life threat at all? I don't like Israel arrests children from time to time but It is really a serious comparison between the cases? How did Italy get formed? In a clean way? How did Greece get formed if not by some sort of war when one side was probably more dominant than the other? How did France? Cyprus? Egypt? USA? England? Do you know a country that didn't get formed through occupation? The Jews agreed to UN plan but the Arabs didn't and started the war and almost won, until the Jews decided to change their strategy from mainly deffense to attack.

This is just amazing . They have hanukkah and christmas at the same month?? Dreamyy 🎄🎁 You are the most multicultural family and friends I have heard like really. understandable. Me too. 🤣🤣😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️ True I know that too. Absolutely. Sorry to hear how did it affected you? Just an hour ago I heard that a guy I know from age 8 (was one grade above me) was killed in Gaza operation. Shocking.

I am not surprised from the answer (; Wrote you also above. Good night.

Actually it was interesting to read! Tommorow I will read it again fresh.

@Karmadhi Not going to respond to the second toxic laughable link. An attempt to draw symmetry between barbaric dark medieval organization and a self deffense operation cannot be taken seriously. About the first one I admit there are very likely problems in the surgicality claims that although I believe IDF is the maybe most surgical army in the world, is still not really totally surgical and sometimes attacks too loosely. In the other hand, we have to ask ourselves honestly if we could really do a more surgical war when needed to eliminate a terror organization that hides so manipulatively behind civilians as its number one survival strategy when we have tens of thousands of terror targets to attack! Not sure if we really could do it otherwise. Just think about that for yourself! @Lila9 I want to read once again what you wrote and to respond tommorow in length. I must go to sleep right now I really tired.

Are you anxious about that? Logical explanation doesn't help when it comes to ocd for example but I don't know if this is the case with you.

I can really understand. All good. From the name I guess you are an Israeli arab? And nice to hear. I am also Israeli from birth. This is so amazing to see how much differently Israel society is grasped abroad than the reality I live in here. not gonna lie too this is not easy.

Omg They lie as often as they breath. Their propaganda is anything but innocent. But Israel is too far behind in its ability to fill the gap and exposing those lies. This is frustrating. I edited the message before you saw it 😶‍🌫️ I asked from where are you?

I think the women won't be punished because of the fairly naive situation. But yes this is a problem Gazans face and they are so scared to tell authentic feeling against hamas especially in public, but there are such voices in the last days starting to appear. @Lila9 From where are you? Happy 4th candle🕯

Oh I didn't realize its actually candies for terror attack celebrations! 🍡🍬🧨🚀🔥 What an immoral soldiers 😒😄 No this is so bad I must balanced it out with some good news....

@zazen You are creating toxic and dangerous symmetry betweem both sides which has nothing to do with the truth. I can admit many problems Israel has and need to take responisibility to, but I can't agree to participate in a symmetry game. A serious discussion cannot be done by a cherry picking stratrgy of extremist claims creating a fake map of symmetry between an uttely cruel side who honor death in its essense ("Shuhada"/"Shaid") and way of life and education, and a side who honor life. And if you think its a childish cliche, ask the Gazans activists who appeal to hamas and they will proudly say to you the exact same thing. This is real even if hard to believe.

@Raze Instead of cherry pick crazy extremists from the stands all the time like this thread is saturated with, try to just listen to the players themselves. Leaders and even more so citizens. This will help much more.

@How to be wise Those 18 years has been used to build a terror empire in gaza. That is their life meaning. This is much deeper than just things that Israel does or doesn't.

@kenway Just a stupid soldier. Don't have to pay attention to everyone.

I would never dare to demonize an entire society without even visiting there and hearing its people firsthand, not to cherry pick some Rabi or an extreme leftist. This is just a matrix of stories and images in the mind of the demonizer without knowing how far it is from reality.

@Merkabah Star hamas terrorists as a virus analogy is correct. Nobody said that word about palestinians. Don't gaslight please. Not gonna reduce myself to your message's level 🙂

@zazen Don't run from constructive critisism and return it back onto me even if it sounds a bit edgy to you, and rather confront the claims directly. The explanation about the virus vs bacteria sounds serious in your opinion? Insisting hamas are "people" and "not a virus" is a symptom to a bigger problem here. Thats because of the need one feels to deffend hamas terrorists even if done only through teminology this is very problematic. I am not saying you did that and maybe I had to respond directly to the one who did it and anyway there is nothing personal here. Camp david message is quite long I will answer to this. Netanyahu is also to blame in the fact he have let hamas get stronger as a purpose strategy to avoid negotiation with the palestinian authority.

People here cannot even agree when I call hamas a "virus". They insist they are people! Thats what important right now in their eyes. So you expect them to admit a truth in a five sentences length explanation? A waste of time.

Utterly naive black & white thinking. And twisted. Reality proved to be many times just the opposite.

Exactly. And they are complaining we want to put an end to hamas while sitting in their (yet) safe home at the foot of the mountain from which they just moralize and throw instructions to Israel and to the 20 yo half-kids who are risking their lives right now. How low of a behaviour and how low self awareness.

@kenway The answer won't matter to you and we both know that