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A brave woman in Gaza speaks her feelings: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzcAsbavq4z/?igshid=MWp6ODk4NWpwZzJrZw== I see those young men in the backround and I really feel I want a future for them, and obviously hamas will prevent from them any chance of good life if will still stay in charge. It must be eliminated.

I understand that part of the world sees the things like that, but in reality, both sides found themselves caught up in a war, and which for what I have read and know, started by the arabs who resisted the UN partition plan. I am not expecting the muslim world to see the picture in the favor of Israel, but from a minority of the liberal world who falls too much into the simplistic "victim-opressor" childish scheme that is very twisted in this case, to grow above that and for at least take a more balanced and healthy perspective.

Quite naive. Hezbollah is Iran's proxy and an arm of the Islamin Revolitionary Guard Corps of Iran (Since 1979) who was one of the causes of destabilization in Lebanon, along with other palestinian terror organizations who took over Lebanon and caused a war between them and local groups. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon Also his passion in his eyes when he says Israel "cannot win the war" or there "will be a ceasefire!" exposes his bias in one hand and his lack of understanding and familiarity with Israel in the other hand. Yes there "will be a ceasefire" after 1200 Israelis been killed and while our 240 hostages are still there. Absurdity. Neither fair nor developed perspective at all.

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1. Yes but It doesn't justify a promil of its actions. 2. Yes the palestinians have suffered from this conflict what has caused radicalization, but that wouldn't happen without their initial tendency to be that way, even before Israel, what we can see in the mufti of jerusalem and his values that were similar to hamas's, and probably reflect some part of the population that lived here. All of that even before the "help" from Israel. Not true. More than 1,100 Israeli citizens had been murdered during 2nd intifada in early 00's by hamas terrorists from west bank mainly but not only. 3. Agree 4. But Israel attacks in Gaza almost always only after being provoked and Israel has never declared it has a goal to eliminate the palestinians but hamas did declare it wants to eliminate Israel. I think the Jews established Israel are in one way occupiers but not less than that if not even more - refugees. therefore the picture is very complex.

I have never heard even one Israeli in all the 36 years I live here who thinks what you just wrote. Sounds very crazy.

Shame on them. How dare them trying to deffend themselves from 7 huge arab countries.

Lets just put them in an artifical mental frame and then we don't have to think they are humen and moral like us. So from today on I will call the mexican people salsaians. Ohh how weird they are.

👍 I like how you summarized it. I hope the hostages are also taken into account by the government as much as possible, because here in the news studios from how the people there and the commentators are speaking, I got the impression everyone in Israel understand that to bring back the hostages is a top priority and the war cannot be won without getting them back.

A Palestinian authority regime, with the help and a security co-operation with Israel OR with other forces is a healthy situation, like what happens today in the west bank while Israel and the palestinian authority work together to prevent hamas from growing there, which is a strong interest of both Israel and the palestinian authority.

I choose to believe she is honest and authentic in her speech and emotions she showed in it, because it won't be fair to dismiss it. But I think what needs to be understood is that without removing this extreme terror organization, nobody will be in a better place, not Israelis nor the palestines, and while she chooses to focus only on one side's problems, without thinking deeper on why Israel does what it does, she actually give this terror organization exactly what it wants and play into it's hands. It does not mean she can't say for example that Israel's attacks need to be more surgical because maybe there is room to improve that. But these simplistic moral preacheses only make us stay stuck and are like stick on the wheels that delay the arrival of the necessary change.

Shifting? I dont understand what you mean here.

I understand what you say and you have an interesting point, but I think that in the field of blue armys Israel is quite confident in its superiority on the other armys in the middle east. As it also been proven in the past.

In the blog in july or august. He has implied that he needs maybe even more than just couple of months.

Agree. Probably only a more stage blue leadership like the more moderate palestinian authority at the beggining.

@Gennadiy1981 start what? Leo wrote he needs a break of at least couple of months. Pressure is not good. Watch other videos/channels/books and mostly self work and investigate your emotions and thoughts, as it is better to let the things unfold organically.

@_Archangel_ This is immoral for Israel to agree a ceasefire as long as our 240 hostages are there. Also it will help hamas get organized better to the fight and kill more soldiers for nothing. Also this is worth mentioning that eliminating hamas will do good long term to the Gazaians much much more than anything else the hypocrite world will want Israel to do in that time. Dont get confused with humanitarian aid which to this Israel agree all the time. You want a chance the world will respect you then respect yourself first.

I don't know. Its not about an agreemt right now but to do good tactic moves. The palestinians were offered countless times to get a state in the west bank and they have always rejected every offer.

To eliminate hamas and give the control to the palestinian authority with the help of another forces/IDF. After that to stop the settlements expansion and even declare on it officialy. Then we will see whats next.

You have to really consider if any other option is possible given a terror organization regime in the place who TAKES gazaian's resources to himself as much as possible, and of course wants to destruct Israel. Whould you valunteer to give it also free air and water spaces? how naive the critisizm of Israel can be. This is so easy to make those absurd claims from thousands of miles away. Also ask yourself If they even have the ability to supply themselves with many of these things and in the proper amount. The southern border is controlled by Egypt by the way. Ask them why they are so afraid to get gazaians into their land. maybe they understand the situation even better than Israel. Slogans I can also drop to the air and it will sound very convincing I promise you 🌈

I am not sure I understood the analogy. Oslo greement tried to make them quite independent what made the terror worse with suicide bombs in Israeli cities twice a week! Israel should have go in there from new and conquer parts of the west bank. It seems to me you don't want to discuss seriously so unless you explain more I stop here. I dont know why you feel this hatred and I dont remember from where you are. You can share if you want but I think you just want to argue.

@Twentyfirst Doesn't it fair to divide the land almost equally between two populations that both have fair claims on it? Can you explain it? How so? Israel completely left Gaza in 2005 allowing them to do whatever they want. Why is the West Bank a prison in your opinion? Because of whom? because of hamas. Why you so hate Israel? BTW from where are you?

Agree with you this is a big part of the considertions.

I want to ask you to read this ⬇️ and add anything you know and want to the discussion. Just using slogans won't help the discussion and that I can also do.