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How much time have you been on drug/s in total?

This is EXTREMELY fast! Highly insecure. X axis has to be months (not weeks) and the curve exponential that will be seen in that resolution almost flat during the last couple of months.

@Eren Eeager @lmfao https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/ I'm on cymbalta and reducing between 2.5% to 5% (% from the last dose!) every 3 weeks as it needs to get slower exponentially. It will take me at least until 2025 but the trend is the important thing. I was on ssri's for 10 years, so 5 years more to reduce (and be most of them in relatively very low doses in comparison to what i was) is OK to me. The trend is the real beautiful thing in the process. The destination of dose 0 is secondary. Do it slowly exactly as your body can.

I think I am mostly Green but I do aware to the complexity and the evolution everyone has to go through, I understand myself much better than even one year ago. I see how my thoughts are affected by what I eat and how I slept etc and what I need and I has craved many years in the root - be more connected and to love myself more. Blue doesnt trigger me at all now. In the past it was, but Orange toxic medicine with his manipulation on nature and his thought that he is smarter than nature and outgrew nature - this toxic attitude triggers me a lot. Orange is so stupid! How dare he to think he has got nature and better than it. So basically I feel I think many times in a yellow way but I "walk" green. GREEN-yellow today.

Where can I find them and read about them? Do you know about high quality sources of any kind of reality sense making web, from another culture, that is at least at the same level of consciousness of modern science (Orange / 'expert' or above) ? I watched all the three parts of docunstruction the myth of science Leo's series and I want to learn about another parallel 'science' that works for the culture that created it, but again must be developed enough that can really compete/add the same value as modern science.

Thats exactly what I ask here. I know that go outside any dogma is the more conscious way, and I practice spirituality stuff. But in this topic I am searching a science-like believe system from another culture, to make a contrast to our science and help me to expand my view on reality in that way. Yes, practice meditation, mindfulness and so forth is the best way and I do it anyway and I agree with what you wrote but now I am asking for something else.

The obssesive thoughts are a filler, a compensation mechanism the brain use to fill a deficiency (psychological mainly) it feels subconsciousely, but you have not discover yet. Three questions: 1. How are your relationships with your family? with friends? With yourself (and your self-image)? 2. Have you been through a trauma in the past? (social rejection also counts). 3. What is your nutrition? Do you feel comfortable with your stomach or do you have gut irritated symptoms?

I really don't know. Maybe this disease is somehow more dangerous than flu. But the defend steps we do against it is ×100/1000 more harmful to the mental health of people who lost their work, lost their sense of meaning and sense of self significance to society, and now survive to leave. obviousely the governments steps are totally un-proportional.

But the suffering invovled in some mental states are too high to not want to change them.

@Forestluv there are others and everybody and everything is a one unit. You are not really alone, but just flow with everyone else. You can't control yourself ego-ically speaking, and you cant control others and therefore you and other are one. But that doesnt mean you are alone. I cannot buy the soliphsist pov. I did watch the last video "guided excercise to realize you are god" ALL of it. but the aloneness pov triggers my anxiety and sounds very depressing to me so i cannot accept it, and really dont feel its true at all. 95% of what leo said in the video makes sense to me but not the aloneness.

Can it be that you feel disconnected to other people? Also, What is your nutrition?

I received a response to my post and I dont know how to answer it. My post on facebook talked about the black hole effect and was aimed to the point that somebody awakes from the modern science that although save lives, yet only worsen and increases chronic physcial and mental illnesses, and he starts to see the whole system and us as a complete biological system, and to reconnect to nature and use natural methods to help himself to heal. Then he comes back to his friends from college and they say to him "That is not scientific. prove it!". I wrote it to show my facebook friends the problem with science today and the matrix we are living it. But I got this response and I am struggling to find how to answer it well: " In principle, there are many scientific fields that based on subjective feeling of people. The scientific part in those studies is the statistics. Of course we need to isolate parameters and to prove causality. Intuition is a great tool to start with, but science gives you tools to prove that your intuition is right (and there are many tools in science to prove with). I think that you are mixing here couple of un-connected things. Indeed usually a research is focused on the micro, but doesn't underestimate the macro. " It sounds to me from what she wrote, that science today is just wonderful and there is no problem at all. thats the feeling I got from her answer. What do you think I can answer to address this?

@JonasVE12 great answer. I also have to do this more and your answer helped me a lot too.

@Gesundheit she is around my age. I'm 33 and she has learned earth sciences with me.

Not just as a foundation but as a way of living for all of your lifetime. Not to just validate prior stages healthy sides, but be them. you will always need them. The question is how much do you live in your head rather than in your "tribe"? In times when I felt disconnected to society and family members I was very anxious. It improved lastly. Thats why I insist on this point. Can you explain what have you felt, and why do you think you have felt this

How you were in the past with the relationships issues and feel connected? I think stability is not possible without integration of spirituality with conventional life style. One must have both. What do you think about getting a job, even 1-2 shifts a week along with college?

@soos_mite_ah Do you work? Do you feel connected to your family and/or friends?

I think its only seen like that if you think that every stage has its strict story but its not true. Its a structure based model. Not content. Its HOW you think and not what you think. If your are a teenager and you adore a pop star - its stage blue. Conformism. You dont have to be religious at all. It can own 100 forms, as long as it has the right stracture of the stage.

Maybe they really believe in stage green content but in a BLUE way (their real stage is blue) in a communistic and very tough and non-flexible way. He was, but it has shown in a different way like trying to be the best in school games for example or get good grades. OR that he is blue. Also one don't have to exhuast stage orange as a whole. He can conquer 25% of orange and from them learn lessons and grow 7% of green, then get more 20% of orange and from there get 9% more of green. And then 4% orange >> 0.5% green 7% orange >> 1.5% green >> 0.25% yellow. That's how developing really happens. In brackets we have to remember that this is a model therefore not perfect and may not fit perfectly for everyone, the reality is wider and its better to try to make conclusion from outside the model and only after that think also about it, but its a hard skill to develop and takes time. I hope I will be able to do it well in the future.

You can't absorb a stage, you have to build the ability to think like green on your own. You will always need to exhaust orange in the neurological level. no matter in what exact form or costume it will be seen from outside (competitions, bussiness, hard work etc).

Also if you feel fully functional, never go off at once becuase you will have severe withdrawal symptoms for months and even years. Even the regualr doctors recomendations about cutting 25% of the pill at once are too aggressive and also cause severe withdrawal, what makes them say its "a relapse" while its mainly the withdrawal. Tapering down should be done at no more than 10% of the last dose at every drop, and no less than 2-4 weeks of holding between drops. If you want more information there are exetremely serious and responsible forums that are all dedicated only to tapering down antidepressants issue (much more responsible than most doctors advices I promise you) and one must do the reduction of the pill together with them, in addition to the doctor. Still its better to find a doctor to at least accompany you. I do it myself with my cymbalta 60mg which tommorow it will be already at 46.8mg. I started tapring in mid May after bad mental health months as I suspected 10 years on drugs made my anxiety worse in the last couple of years, and thats why I feel I must go off graduately. At this point I really don't trust my doctor consideration and POV about what I need, and I must do it by myself regardless her refusal to support this.

When you find your life purpose you will fill in "high" and very unusual positive emotions. Given that your brain and your mind want to maintain homeostasis, after couple of days/weeks it will respond in anxiety and/or depression episode to compensate. Give it more time and it will adjust, stabilize and calm down. Look at it as a complex bilogical system that you destabilize it and moved it away from its familiar place, and now it will oscillate for a while. Also when your brain thinks you are in a new area that can be dangerous it will react negatively at the beggining as it is rooted in your biological system which wants to survive.

Maybe the self-actualized-flowing-creative-different-than-others self is now turned out to be a dogmatic self image which keeping you stuck instead of advancing you. The lower stages are also very important and you have to integrate them in order to develop. I would advice you, by now, take the next 6-12 months to invest mainly in your "lower" needs. Its important to have a stable job when you work with other people and interact with them in a weekly basis. Maybe in that way your self identity will get more flexible and you will start to see yourself as both conventional and post conventional person and not only one in the cost of the other. Stable work, nutrition, social skills, social meetings, familiy relationships, reconnect with nature etc. Only you will know what is the right order to do all these "regular" things and in what to invest first, but i think this is the right direction to take by now.

Expert: early orange Achiever: late orange - early green Pluralist: late green - early yellow Strategist: yellow

In Balfour street in Jerusalem, near his house yesterday night, I was there and took the picture: Also the protest is made under the quarantine Netanyahu ordered which already started this week. The protests are very wide including many areas over the country and the core location which is in jerusalem with thousands of people every weekend. If to try to map the protests its mainly late Orange, Green, Achiever, pluralist.