David Hammond

Yes. And you still need them after enlightenment I am serious that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. In this world you can still get run over by a car. Your hard wired responses don't go away because you know you were never born.

@zeroISinfinity I took the waking and dream state as concepts? What the are you talking about? Even a 3 year old knows they aware awake and at night they go to sleep. It's not rocket science. LMAO.

@zeroISinfinity Enlightenment only brings peace and contentment. It doesn't integrate the personality. Never will, never has done.

@zeroISinfinity praise God, you used the quote button!

You dont have to be Christian to be unconsciously identified with Christian morality. The same as you don't have to be jaques derrida in order to be politically correct and conditoned by a green society. What you just said about Hitler not being God means there is a connotation that God is always good and that we go to war to protect "Gods" country against the "forces of evil". That's blue, maybe you aren't consciously aware of it, but you should know that's a blue thought by studying spiral dynamics.

Yes. So what is left to do? Heal the person as all aspects of it are nothingness. Nobody wakes up saying they don't exist anymore. The waking dream and the dream state still happen, don't they? Do you really think all your neurosis and shadows get healed just because you know you are the fundamental suchness that makes reality happen and that reality is the fundamental suchness, that there is no separation between the two? That doesn't heal the person. It doesn't make your broken leg healed or make blind people see again or cures cancer, does it? Cathartic experiences from having known our true self is releasing, but that isn't complete integration. Integration is integrating and transcending the opposing forces in the psyche.

Who are you talking to zero? The notification button is arising in the field of seritoninluvs awareness, while he presses his socks on a Saturday night.. After a while you just get used to it. Good Lord above It's no big deal..

Can you find an absolute essence of anything?

You've got to climb out of this fundamentalist Christian outlook of what you think the ultimate reality is. The word "God" is not really a good word to use unless you use it to help you see where you're making mistakes.

@Buba In short no, enlightenment will not fix a thing. Enlightenment is a different order of reality to the person. Both are exclusive. There are some behavioural changes by being permanently realized, but deep healing of the person requires absolute self love, which is shadow work. Love every single thing about you absolutely and unconditionally as it arises, even if it's the hypocrite, or any anti spiritual trait, like greed, envy, lust, rage, any emotional expression you can name just love it to death until you understand that it is the divine. Any time you try to "fix" yourelf you are invalidating a part of yourself. And an invalidated child only ever plays up because it was told that it was bad. Then you will heal. It takes years..can even take a lifetime.

You assimilated the prime directive of buddhism: "don't believe anything, even if I said it, unless it corresponds with common sense and reason" ✌

Yes, not so much these days tho lol

Have you got kids? If so congratulations, they are a wonderful experience to enjoy, aren't they? Would you want to get rid of one of your kids because in your ignorance you labelled it bad? I hope not.

Read Jung. Trying to get rid of something is compartmentalizing it. You will get rid of the painful symptoms once the trait has been assimilated.

Your problem lies in this attitude. This is why you need a huge pair of balls to do shadow work. The very notion of wanting to get rid of an aspect of yourself IS abuse. IS social conditioning itself. Patience is required to assimilate a shadow. If it takes 10 years of learning to love a trait then so be it..

Destructive emotions are not demons. The demon is social conditioning. But that in and of itself is not really true, because it's not like there is a conspiracy to destroy our mental and emotional health, it's just gross misunderstanding of emotions and so called destructive emotions. That ignorance is what I have become aware of. The ego itself is not the devil that we once assumed.

I'm sorry I missed your comment. It got lost. Why is it not what you wanted to hear?

@The Blind Sage Non directive meditation is excellent. It's more like a therapy for the mind. Loving kindness meditation. Become a vegetarian or pescetarian. Live a moral life. Learn that technique of watching the breath. When you join a monastery or ashram you will be part of a family who will take care of your path. This is the the only thing you should be concerned with because all of those things will be taken care of anyway. After that you're on your own with Jungian psychology, unless you can find a teacher who also does it themselves. There is an adwaita teacher in the lineage of shankara in an upstate New york ashram who is now teaching his students kundalini yoga. That is practically unheard of in that tradition, but he is showing that kundalini is part of the Vedas and and integral part. Basically just get involved with people who know their stuff.

Logically disregarding everything as illusion is where you got stuck and where you thibk I am I already said I non non conceptually understood this. The key is to not enter the head in any way shape or form and to disidentify first as body and mind. Then it's smooth sailing from then on Keep projecting tho bro.

Well, no hard feelings. You're 48..I'm 42. There are older people here, but most of Leo's audience are immature. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the things I read on here are only orange thinking. When you compared me to Jesus or Ghandi I was saddened because you are completely clueless. Not a bad thing, but I do wish you would leave me alone because the evindence is there in black and white that you don't know what you are talking about I've never asked anyone to believe me, all I have to do is ask them to look at the evidence.

Synchronicity. It's happening already! The more I love myself the more my dream changes. Have you read any Jung? Go study that, that is something you can do by yourself like I am doing now. But digging into Buddhism and adwaita on the internet is not how to become permanently realized. You need to study with someone who knows all the traps and pitfalls and can assess when you are ready for a new teaching. Enlightenment is a science, it's a teaching that is unfolded with the person. It's a framework and needs to be followed as such but personal to you. That's why I say clinging at certain points is essential because it's a part of the process that you must master before it lets you go. There is no understanding of that on this forum. Everything is just labelled ego and were told to do continually detatch from every stepping stone. If enlightenment were that simple then everyone would have been enlightened in the past. But not even every student made it. It's like any profession, only the cream who are ready to receive a teaching received it from their guru. My teaching won't permanently enlighten you because it takes years with your master to even learn how to watch the breath for sustained time. There is so much to it that it takes lifetimes to master. Having a lose identity is not conducive to enlightenment but maybe it's conducive to returning to a symbiotic merged state which characterizes the state of a baby before language is formed Of course, you don't know that because you haven't been trained in a lineage. Ego death is not enlightenment.

Leo is delusional. So his videos and forum attract delusional people. The Evidence of this is already been pointed out by the fact that nobody here understands integration of the person. Do you not find it strange that there are no self actualizers on the forum? Don't you find it strange that 70% of Leo's audience are in their 20s? Don't you find it strange that people have been seekers all their lives, doing self inquiry, involved in lineages and are working their asses off but you spend an afternoon watching Leo's videos and all of a sudden you have reached what most people haven't? Maybe you are delusional? Think logically for once.

Leo is delusional. So his videos and forum attract delusional people. The Evidence of this is already been pointed out by the fact that nobody here understands integration of the person. Think logically for once.

Notification button. It exists, just not absolutely. I don't want your "fucking" help. I'm ok on my own. You dont understand what is going on with other people. I'm just annoyed that you keep on when im clearly not interested.

You and zero are a double act? Gang trolling for the benefit of all sentient beings?