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@Emerald seriously you could just take whatever you're writing, put it into a text to speech generator, and then upload it straight to YouTube with some basic video editing. The writing perfectly flows for retention. lol I would kill to be able to write like this.
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HAHAHA I accomplished absolutely nothing. 🤣 Most truth can only come from massive suffering. I wonder if that's by Design.
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@sda is it normal in your culture to give people money if you make a mistake? If not I don't think you should be paying anyone lol, it sounds like you're being taken advantage of. But it's dangerous, I don't know if you're associated with a gang?
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Yeah I definitely I tend to do that lmao, maybe I'll add vibe detector to the comment box that will warn me when my tone is counterproductive.
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You can find seemingly rigorous scientific evidence supporting completely opposite conclusions. You can find compelling studies showing: - Vegan diets are optimal for health - Carnivore diets are optimal for health - Paleo diets are optimal for health - Mediterranean diets are optimal for health And so on... So in nutrition specifically, treating studies as "just another anecdote" isn't about confusion or lack of system - it's about recognizing that even apparently rigorous nutrition science often can't resolve these contradictions. The field is uniquely complex because: - Individual variation is huge - Variables are nearly impossible to fully control - Long-term studies are rare - Funding often biases research - Self-reporting is unreliable There is a huge problem and in order to solve that problem you need to be able to narrow down all the variables without knowing. There is no "truth" to help you hold your hand when navigating this. That doesn't mean you can't take pieces of important knowledge like the importance of vitamin C on the skin, and not incorporate foods high in vitamin C into your diet. You have to do the best you can with the knowledge that you have available to you. When I say you have to take everything as anecdote I am also saying use all of it to come up with an effective strategy on your body through experimentation and testing on your body. But you're not going to sit there and take an omega-3 supplement and just assume that you're now healthier. In 4 months from now you might get dizzy and feel light-headed all the time and not know why and then realize that the omega-3 you were taking thinned your blood. Trial and error.
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Trump plans to cure cancer with AI. He said it… Dam even im starting to fall in love with this story. Announces 500 billlion AI project, to build AGI. With Sam altman and all the other tech guys.
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That's a failure in the way the AI extracted the epistemology from Emerald. I'm aware holism has been unlocked already. But there's so many levels to holism that it doesn't really matter. Domain specific insights don't happen just because you can do a bit of holism. You can prove anything with nutrition science. Carnivore, paleo.. It doesn't matter it's all true according to nutrition science. Reframe all the science you have learned as anecdotes and everything that you have learned on this topic as anecdotal. Integrate your personal anecdotal experiences of science, with all personal anecdotal experiences of positive and negative veganism, and all anecdotal experiences of others, both positive and negative. Narrowing down all of that data, unbiasedly. Carefully use science as a anecdotal guide, everything taken with a grain of salt to make an educated guess on where you should take your health. Carefully test many approaches, carefully observe your own behavior change and physical signs and mental signs, self-assessment. Study people who have made mistakes along the path and avoid making those mistakes yourself. Everything is anecdote, everything is partial truth, everything has to be narrowed down in a blender without bias. Nothing is sacred. Everything is full of shit. All of science, personal experiences, external experiences is understood as just a piece of the puzzle to guide your own personal experiment on your own body. Now you're thinking like a scientist, with a fresh paradigm.
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integral replied to The Renaissance Man's topic in Intellectual Stuff: Philosophy, Science, Technology
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The points about malnutrition I made were to advise on being very careful to avoid it. My position is not that veganism is impossible. My position is to make sure everyone is doing it right through rigorous experimentation, observation, testing, and to consider all the factors of failure cases to avoid them. This is why I'm placing veganism at a status of very difficult and requiring a lot of experience and expertise and money. If you're doing this in a cheap way, you're doing it wrong. Because you're taking your health for granted, and you don't realize the risk you're putting yourself into. And you're not spending money or doing the work to make sure it is 100% happening correctly. You can be doing veganism wrong for a decade before problems show up. This is why it's difficulty is so high.
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I said it multiple times now. You think I'm literally crazy because I don't share your epistemology.
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I know.
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No, your functioning at the scientific evidence level. And you've stated scientific evidence over and over again. The sage level strongly considers large scale pattern recognition. And you guys are not interested in that. Because that's why you think my epistemology is insane, because I value the patterns Strongly, while you think it's literally crazy. "and the science disproves it" How your current epistemology system works is scientific evidence is placed at a importance of 9 out of 10, and pattern recognition is placed at maybe a one or two out of 10. Can you see how the sage is not doing it this way?
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https://claude.site/artifacts/45fce8fd-9047-49cf-8060-84114c7a9e16 Okay I created the ULTIMATE SHEET.
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I agree it wasn't my best work. But I think the concept has potential. Because it allows two people to understand each other's epistemology. And I think there's a useful tool here. Maybe I'll make some kind of actualized.org AI integration. So people could go past surface level differences.
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Why would this be easy? I have never seen a conversation with vegans that was easy. Also I'm not Leo. I can't distill things easily.
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How would you know? You're assuming what I'm saying is crazy because I don't share your epistemology. This is very important. When someone else doesn't share your epistemology, your reactionary mechanisms are to assume it's completely crazy. So the only conversation that we could possibly have is to take the time and understand each other's epistemology. But I already know your epistemology because I inhaled it my whole life. And believed it for a portion of my life. The scientific consensus evidence-based approach has grotesque limits. And most people that are in love with this whole concept have not had the real world experiences of when Theory does not match up with practice. You will only know that science got it wrong after you have direct experience showing you that it actually doesn't work in practice. But at this very moment that will only happen after you experience a health problem on the vegan diet. Even if I showed you thousands of videos of people who failed veganism. It will not be enough, it has to be personal. Until then you will never need to question anything. It's when you're survival is at stake that you're forced to question what you know and how you know it. LFMAOOO 🤣🤣 I genuinely laughed so hard when I read this. Mostly because I get your perspective and it just looks like a super one-sided biased sheet. There's a misunderstanding. There's no point talking about the content. If we talk about any specific point we're just going to go back and forth in an endless loop. Arguing endlessly back and forth going nowhere. That's how every discussion of this kind happens. The only healthy conversation that we can have is about epistemology. Until then we're just going to be talking past each other.
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Right that is a great point about decentralization. The point I was making is that whether it's decentralized and deflationary doesn't mean it isn't completely regulated and part of the system of government. And therefore fully corrupted by the system of government. lol the benefits don't exist. It all cancels out.
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The devil is in the epistemological details! Ask it what it's epistemology is. This is an assumption. We don't need veganism, we need people to grow up. Vegan ideology is not the same as growing up. When a person can no longer do veganism because of health issues, they go back to eating meat. They do not suffer until death in the name of veganism, they do not sink with the ship. And this problem is real, it is not going to go away, and you're not really listening to me, and neither did chatgpt when you told it to be a genius with that prompt lmao. Individually maximizing the health of each human is a far better strategy at growing people up then following strict veganism to reduce animal suffering which is only one system. When people grow up that will influence every system. The problem with veganism is that it's a very linear approach. It tries to brute force a solution with a direct approach: "everyone stops eating meat = less animal suffering." This is not a systemic approach. Real system change usually requires an indirect approach that works with existing systems, regardless of their ethics. Leo mentioned this before. You can't avoid every unethical part of the system just because you don't like it and try to force everything into an idealist agenda. This strategy doesn't work. Surprisingly a better strategy is the devilry that is happening with Elon Musk. On one part he's providing value on another part he's degrading important systems. But we need this devil, he's the best devil we have. lmao
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Genetics. Donald Trump drinks Coke every day and McDonald's every other day and he's the most successful person on planet Earth at 80 years old. Genetics. No, vegan bubble science supports healthy vegan diet. General Vegan View: The general consensus is that it is well within the effortless human means of most people and suitable for most people as long as they do it right. Real World: it is very challenging and requires a very high level of expertise to do veganism correctly over a long period of time. Resulting if done incorrectly to permanent damage from multiple underlying health issues. Better approach: a holistic strategic approach that considers many factors excluding any ideology towards diet, to custom create a diet perfectly suited for that person's genetics, gut microbiome, environment, and using experimentation and reaction, testing and monitoring... and so on. When you ask chatgpt "is this true", you're asking based on its worldview and epistemology to critique my worldview from its position. It would be like saying well from the position of a Nazi critique integrals position. From the position of a vegan critique integral position. From the position of science critique integrals position. You're critiquing one perspective from another. Do you see how truth is completely relative in this situation and that you might not know what you're doing when you use this tool? Chatgpt has a worldview. Chatgpt has default epistemology. Chatgpt represents the status quo of culture. Chatgpt is at a specific level of development. Chatgpt is at a specific level of wisdom and insight. All of these variables can be adjusted and changed depending on how you prompt it to get a different response. Asking it what is true is an incredibly naive approach that fails to see how epistemology works. The core question here is what is my epistemology as a vegan? What is chatgpt's epistemology? What is integrals epistemology? Why are we disagreeing? Why does the world verify and validate all of my beliefs as a vegan? Is my Approach genuinely holistic? --- I broke down the epistemology of the two sides here to show what is going on. This is the invisible thing that needs to be talked about and not the content. @Emerald Right click -> open link in new tab to see it clearly.
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@Shane Hanlon A bunch of people here just give you testimonies, YouTube is filled with thousands of testimonies, and the conclusion you are going to come to is. It won't happen to me They did veganism wrong I never felt better The Truth: it's not that simple. --- Ill map out a model of vegan progression, the levels of vegan development.
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You've trapped yourself, my entire post was structured in a way for a vegan to understand how they keep themselves in a bubble reinforcing their narratives. The problem with a paradigm is you only truly understand what a paradigm is after you experience it shattering by force. In this situation you need to have severe health problems with veganism despite supplementation and testing. And you need to see your body deteriorate while you do everything "correctly". And then the illusion is shattered permanently. You now can acknowledge and think about veganism with clarity. That it is not as simple as taking supplements, and it is not as simple as asking chatgpt to repeat the vegan narrative through confirmation bias. I could easily ask chatGPT to reinforce everything I said. Like I said it takes until you reach the end of veganism to understand veganism. It can't happen before that for bleeding heart vegans. The outline that I gave was a holistic approach that I feel should be good enough for most vegans to accept. The productive point you can take from it is to get tested and look for physical signs that's something's wrong, to make sure you're not falling fo the most critical vegan trap. As you deteriorate you won't know your deteriorating because of vegan bias.
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So the cost of everything keeps going up until it crashes?
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When will the next financial reset happen? It looks like the economy is a pyramid scheme we’re the cost of everything keeps going up indefinitely. I guess the last economic reset was World War II?
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@FourCrossedWands unfortunately I think this is something that you can only learn through experience and by trial and error. Unfortunately, that means losing money. I’ll try to save you from doing that right now, I want you to go on tradingview website, and open up a bitcoin chart. And then zoom out, so you can see the full chart from the beginning of time This will give you a birds iview of how the market moves over many years. This is the question I want you to ask yourself, when is the right time to buy? Now I want you to open up and compare utter coins and stocks to see how they move overtime. And you will notice that the entire market of cryptocurrency moves according to bitcoin. If bitcoin decides to go down then all the other coins go down with it at the same time. Bitcoin is the leader, and every other coin follows it. Next, I want you to open up regular stocks and compare bitcoin to regular stocks. And you will notice that bitcoin follows the larger economy stock market. And if the entire economy is going down, then bitcoin is going down. Next, I want you to notice how every meme coin has a very large spike and then a very large crash right after, over and over again.
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Oh my God, I need to do a full course on this to teach people how cryptocurrency works. bitcoin reached an all-time high yesterday, but somehow it’s dead? 😂