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Growing up, I frequently encountered people with completely different mindsets, operating systems, and value systems, and I struggled to understand what was happening. Every time I met someone, I would try to figure out how their mind worked and assess their way of thinking I was lucky enough to be exposed to every stage on the Spiral at a young age whether through media, books, or direct conversations. My parents were hippies who read turquoise books, while my businessman grandfather gave me stage yellow books (without even realizing it). I saw mafia movies, engaged in debates with religious students in high school, and Became an atheist myself when I was a child. I was constantly trying to figure out what was happening, they all grouped in certain categories. Like there was the intellectual types and the hippie types And I was trying to figure out what was going on. Like, why were the turquoise people able to produce such amazing wisdom? And yet they had something about it that I had no idea what they were talking about. And then the hippie types Who claimed they were spiritual, but it was clear that they were nowhere near the level of mind that wrote those turquoise books. "Hippie Spirituality" and then the spirituality I was reading those books were clearly completely different but they were both being grouped together by everyone I was coming to contact with and I couldn't understand what was happening but there Was a strong intuition Telling me that there's different levels of intelligence. Then I discovered integral theory, which introduced me to Spiral Dynamics. It was an immediate, MASSIVE epiphany, The thing I was searching for my entire life was THIS. Then I found Leo's content which took it to a whole other level. I didn't figure it out beforehand, but my intuitively was constantly trying to resolve the pattern in a away that it was the top question on my mind for years. Did you guys have an experience like this before you found Spiral Dynamics?

Whichever of those you feel is most likely true and why?

After understanding the evidence and arguments, what position are you taking? Exactly. But then the 9 out of 10 figure that you gave me is coming from seeing past this, and that throughout all of human history people are constantly reporting on aliens independently, so there must be something to it. 🧛 But they also independently throughout history reported on seeing dead relatives, ghosts, and every supernatural phenomenon. The problem is people that report on ghosts are always at pre-rational stages. They tend to be very religious. And then when you get to orange, you stop seeing ghosts. And then when you get to green, you see auras everywhere, and energy fields. And then when you get to yellow, you stop seeing energy fields.

Perfect, thank you. The biggest issue is this whole body of UFO evidence is indistinguishable from confirmation bias and conspiracy theory. I'm not saying it isn't happening. I'm saying it's indistinguishable. My intuition is not picking up on any patterns that can help me distinguish this.

The problem with all of this evidence is it's coming from stage blue and a lot of military-oriented men which my radar screams "nothing they say can be trusted". The stage blue testimonies are like "I saw Jesus" testimonies.

If we organize all the evidence in this thread, what really stands out above everything else as the final nail in the coffin?

To what degree is your confidence in this? Scale of 1 to 10.

Okay, but you're saying it's just random chance that they're hidden and what's happening is their technology is so advanced We can't keep track of them.

@LoneWonderer That's it. But it is strange that a lot of people are exposed to it in the same way we were, but they... Fall between two things. They either get stuck blocking out and judging every other stage, or they keep the question open and continue trying to resolve the emerging pattern. There's multicultural exposure which is important. And then there's multi-stage exposure which is important. But being exposed to these things doesn't guarantee that you will integrate any of it.

Not gonna lie, this is the most thin foil quackery threat on actualized. How stupid are these aliens for you to have any evidence that they exist? We are all murderous, selfish handicapped apes with with fragile egos and very low intelligence, We are not ready for the love an alien has to offer.

I want a house tour so I can audit everything going on there.

It looks like you need to get lucky to be exposed to the entire spiral early. From books/movies/people. its random luck.

Believing that all of this just happened feels pretty absurd because this is all very, very, very specific and highly intelligent. When existence happened, it was the most valuable, most meaningful, and purposeful thing that could possibly have happened at that moment. It was the only thing that "happened". and it "happened", Happening is a miracle. How can this intelligent specific miracle be anything other then the most meaningful thing that could be happening? Is anything more meaningful happening right this moment? No, this is it. It's the most valuable thing that there is, It's absolute, so it's absolute value.

It's possible. I'm mostly basing my assessment from knowing a lot of ESTPs and pattern matching.

I mean, ya gotta go full circle to get there. No circle Ain't gotta cut it. Trump is a no-circle kind of guy. ESTP

very true, And every truth came from imagination. 🌈

lol why?

Because they're more interested in abstract Aspects of thinking and life experiences. Sensor types, stereotypically, they're going to be less spiritual, less interested in philosophy, and more interested in practical matters.

@Joseph Maynor Most people here will be xNxx Types. But does Devils in the dating section.... definitely xSxx types...

SE Dominance types, I know two of them very well and they basically see in slow motion, but they're not conscious of this because they're not interested at assessing other people's abilities. My friend, who's a heavy video game addict, ISFP, he could see every frame of the screen, and he could tell you that, oh, this specific frame didn't render properly by his computer. He knows if the graphics card or the game didn't render this one little thing and Then he goes into the settings and he knows that this specific setting caused 1 out of the 60 frames to have a issue. I can't tell the difference between DLSS if it's on or off. I can't tell if V-Sync is on or off. It all looks the same to me. I have to concentrate to tell the difference and after like a minute, I'm certainly am not seeing any difference.

omg i sound like a ISFP hahaha im 100% INTJ INTJ gets a bad reputation When they're stuck in the orange kind of insecure intellectual phase.

@Phil King Fantastic, Don't tell me you're going to start pumping out horoscope videos.

Leo has thick epistemic skin like an alligator. No need to worry

@Natasha Tori Maru Hold on, but I don't think Leo expects any of us to be able to point out his epistemic holes all that well. Most people are out of their depth and we're Shooting a bow with a blindfold on.

@Leo Gura What categories do you put the least effort into because you just have no interest in them? Feminine spirituality? Feeling into the soul kind? Crying while eye gazing? Mental heath? Shadow work? Philosophy Domains that were glanced over? The board game Go? Alternative thinking methods? Breathing CLEAN AIR