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These guys type thousands of people each year, in a 512 type system, with all that data patterns reveal themselves.

Are you still dating the same guy? Why havent you broken up with him yet?

Elvis baby.

It isnt black and white like this, the women hes dating never grew out of the highchool popularity contest phase. These kinds of people are highly unconscious and should be avoided. Jersey shore role models. Dont date anyone that spends the first hour of there day looking in the mirror dressing up and putting make up.

@Carl-Richard lolol well when someone claims all INTPs are yellow...

Neo never left the matrix, if we take the movie literally not metaphorically.

@Lyubov Wild or farmed?

NO you cannot change your type, but you can develop your weaknesses and learn to use cognitive function combinations that are not the default. Any one that thinks there flip flopping all over the place changing types from INFJ to INFP to INTP have misunderstood the model and themselves. You can hammer a nail with a screwdriver. That does not mean your a hammer. We use our default function stack to do a wide range of things.

Already skipped to the premature ejaculation part.

@nitramadas We can go back and forward like this for a while, maybe lets try a different method. From what i see there are misunderstanding of all models mentioned and your using your powerful mind to masterfully rationalize your beliefs, running circles around everything. There is even the misconception of waking up and growing up, that turquoise is about mystical experiences. Dig deeper into the models. Deciding that you see the flaws of these models in premature, your seeing flaws in your understanding. Start here tell me what you think. https://www.objectivepersonality.com/home Go over integral theory again... realized that you do not accel at all quadrants and that what you believe is intelect is just a one narrow set of multiple intelegences. Words like thinking and feeling are over generalizations.

Its possible to identify a type by looking at there body language for 10 seconds. With deeper more nuanced pattern recognition each type spears nothing alike. Its like mistaking a your mother for a giraffe. The mistyping is a common issue that goas away once the patterns fully reveal themselves.

LMAOOO Yellow is more then consume, its also strategic thinking that INTJs accel at and many other things. All types accel at some aspect of yellow. From integral theory there are multiple quadrants and lines of development all happening at different stages of development. All types are naturally better are some slice of yellow. There are many facets of yellow... Not sure why the point i made was ignored, the INTPs learning addiction is not equal to yellows learning. INTP learning happens no matter the stage they are in. While yellow learning values happened only when your yellow. This makes sense, its possible, but its also STRONGLY GREEN INTP going with the flow behaviour. Are you sure it was Turquoise you where hanging out in or your just an INTP? Also why did you "spend a good amount of time in Turquoise" and not just permanently in turquoise? Are you saying you went higher? The cognitive functions reveal everything, there is no need for the 2 model system to make sense of this, just dig deeper into the cognitive functions and how they work. For example the order of the functions is critical, INTPs are doing Ti-Ne, ISFJs are doing Si-Fe non stop... so of course you will have nothing in common with them. They are doing the exact thing the INTP is suppressing, there 3rd and 4th function combination. Both types will view each other as "stupid", because the INTP sees there own strengths that the ISFJ lacks and the ISFJ sees there strengths that the INTP lacks. Exactly why people think they are above average, they only see there own strengths and project it onto everyone they see. Everyone believes they are above average intelligence lol... a statistical miracle. lol MBTI does not directly track personality traits, thats what big 5 does. mbti is tracking cognitive functions, people can have the exact same big 5 score and be using completely different cognitive functions. Some one could play sad music on a violin or play that same music on a piano. Big 5 = music, MBTI = instrument.

@nitramadas ok i think this will clear things up: Yellow is consume dominant. INTPs are consume dominant by nature, Ti-Ne, this happens no matter there spiral box. So a false connection is being made the all INTPs are yellow, Also, INTJs that transition into yellow become consume focused, this makes them appear more INTP like. Thats not true, they are just expression yellow values that makes them consume. While INTPs are following there nature making them consume, but this does not come from yellow values. They can be at any stage and consume dominantly.

INTP and INTJ share non of the cognitive functions, they are using different brain regions in combination for sense making. 2 completely different tools designed for different jobs. Its like comparing a hammer to a screwdriver and saying a hammer becomes a screwdriver when it grows up. They have there own designed use, strengths and weaknesses. To change the way we use our brain is fighting the natural use of the instrument, this causes strain and stress, its not sustainable. For example INTJ are not build for Ti, prolonged use of it is draining and will lead to burn out. INTP are consume dominant, Ti-Ne, they are in consume mode all the time, the reward system is designed to do this from birth, this can express it self at any stage, purple and up. INTJ is blast dominant, Ni-Te, providing motivation to focus on things the INTP is not interested in. All types are wired from brith to take responsibility for a different slice of the tribes survival needs. This is not traits of yellow, its traits of the INTP that can express themselves at any stage of development. There is a mix up with the INTPs wiring for the love of learning and yellow. That INTPs motivation for learning is a value that exists at all spiral stages, its becomes more developed with higher stages. There are plenty of orange/green scientists doing orange/green science with models, theorizing, open-minded (in the spiral box), systems... Systems thinking happens at orange as well, its just a amateurs play of the instrument. Turquoise view everything as a part of there body or oneness, all living and non living things are there children and self. To have the motivation for more children makes little sense. Ive seen plenty of orange/green INTP relationships, They have a major self vs tribe imbalance. Causing all the standard miscommunication. They just rationalize it all away, masterfully. You've placed INTPs on a pedestal or there is a misunderstanding of MBTI, it is not coupled to spiral dynamics.

@Username That makes sense. 4 yellow INTJ??? where did you find them? Its already rare to find INTJ in the wild but for them also to be yellow....

hmm not sure about this one, green isnt all about lovy dovyness, alot of high academia, PHD level is green, very rarely do we see yellow. So there are plenty of green INTP. I dont see how these INTP will ever move into yellow. There is no push, its not as uncomfortable as it could be. Its possible you have some green shadow? Making INTPs appear uncomfortable at green. If we look at leos development over the years he definitely moved through green and was green at some lines of development, he might still have some percentage of green today. @Leo Gura is this accurate?

This is INTP biased. INTJ are/can be ruthlessly open minded. Have you ever debated orange INTP??? forget it... these are traits of yellow not INTP.

Was referring more to the part where INTJs evolve into INTPs lol. Many INTPs are orange, its possible you find yellow easy and are over generalizing to the rest. Its also important to remember that each line of development can be at a different stage. It makes sense that some types have an easier time escaping cultures center of gravity. Types like ESFP and ESFJ have about 0 chance of being exposed to or discover spiral dynamics or integral theory on there own and lack the XNXX to explore the abstract on there own. But if there culture was center yellow they would easily also be yellow. Every type. There are many flavours of yellow and any type can be at any stage. INTP have weaknesses like relationships, where they tend to be stuck at orange/green or first tier. They want kids... do you want kids? I would put wanting kids a first tier value most of the time. Its possible to wants kids at tier 2 but its a stretch... like serving cosmic consciousness in some big picture way. Not serving the ego. Its also possible to not want kids for orange reasons...

More importantly the point is i actually experimented and you did not.

@neutralempty wow my mistake i thought that was Dr. McDougall not Dr. Neal Barnard, i thought they where the same person, watched videos from both of them lol. I thought one was an older version of the other one. haha also there both vegan and make a living with vegan nutrition and have basically the same teachings.

@neutralempty naaaaa there no winning, i only studied McDougall and read one of his books, then ACTUALLY TRIED IT IN REAL LIFE.

Would stay far away from palm oil, causes major inflammation in my experience. With all the good options we have its best to just avoid this one.

Young Arnold being as orange as it gets.