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http://www.cook-greuter.com/Cook-Greuter 9 levels paper new 1.1'14 97p[1].pdf I hope everyone did their Cook Greuter homework.

@Lyubov The first day i signed up to this site i got into a heated discussing about game b with @Preety_India, There is no changing her mind or see reason, she needs to self discover this on her own. There is a Game B way of engaging in everything. Like a Game B way of communicating with people on this forum, that is probably worth exploring.

Leo touched on it in his latest video.

ahah, no need to argue, but definitely curious to know the mistake that was made? The phrase "truth is relative", what does that mean to you when you hear it?

All truth is relative. You solved it (relatively). lol Christians believe Christianity is the one true truth and their 100% right, while at the same time being 100% wrong from every other perspective. Right now nothing is knowable from your perspective and your 100% right, while at the same time being 100% wrong from a more inclusive perspective. The bigger a picture you see the more right you are. lol Some truths are more true then others. There is always a truer truth. With the exception of Absolute truth.

I dont have a doormat, problem solved.

I think therefore i am the product of an algorithm.

Great Question +1

... this is a value i trained vai imagination strong good associations towards, so it will automatically make me want her. But this is what has been consciously trained into place. Not sure there is a difference between growth and consciously designing the subconscious mind.

@RendHeaven Yes, in elementary i had the standard crushs on the hot girls in class. Had nothing to do with there personalities, they where mean girls... lol After that heart break i did alot of thinking about what made me attracted to them in the first place. Started experimenting with how my attraction worked. Realized its entirely my imagination and emotions attached to them. If i imagine and associate positive good times with the person im looking at, ill get super attracted to them. There's a middle step its possible your not aware you've been doing, its responsible for the fixed attraction to hot girls, in this case you associated negative traits on to her and couldnt imagine even touching her... The associations where made as a child and you've lost the power to make new ones. Well thats not true, just need to unlock it again, with some training. When i have sex with a women ill associated alot of good energy to them and ill want them again over any other women. Its like the ex-girl friend effect, even if i could be masturbating to a hotter girl, the ex-girl friend or crush is 10x more effective. Its about Just imagine yourself having sex with her, imagine having a great time with lots of fun and positive emotions and you'll be craving that ass. Imagine a romance... fantasize. Its the reverse, you imagined a story of not being attracted to her and confused that with "my attraction preferences". Its the story thats creating the preferences not the other way around.

Objectification during sex, not any other time. All the feminist ive dated never communicated what they wanted in bed, i had to figure it out. They have a tendency to suppress their sexuality, because it comes in conflict with their agenda/pride.

Who cares? Not sure why authenticity matters? Its just a limiting belief. If you grew up in a small village with average women with no media training your sexual vision, then average women would attract you 100%. There is nothing authentic about you. Its programming that should be unlearned.

@RendHeaven Have you had sex with any women your not attracted to? Most likely if you just went for it and had sex with her you would realize looks make no difference and your tastes will change. Its completely all in your head, dont project this out to all men, its just your level of development speaking. When you get older your going to have sex with old people and your going to enjoy it.

@Gesundheit There's this guru that focuses on waking people up that are to smart. It might or might not be useful.

Its possible. What is your version of vertical growth? I think it was mentioned before something to do with transcending human phycology? But isnt this a reflection of your current vertical level? Everyone thinks they have it all figured out at each level. Is this it? hmmm its hard to know what parts in the past where made up for defense. I guess in this case it wasn't. Honestly i have no idea why i do anything. Its just blank. Ok, im just doing it to pass time. This seems to be it. Ratter then sitting somewhere doing nothing, ill nothing here instead. The character dreams about changing the world, raising collecting consciousness. Seeing as where on the subject id like to learn more about this: From what i can tell so far, the character cant awaken, that's the "trick". What your describing here sounds like changing states. Mixing waking up with growing up. Psychological needs do not exist in some states, but appear to be unavoidable in this default state.

I thought breaking your core value = truth, to defend your self with "narratives and make up whatever stories I want to suit my agendas and preserve/survive my identity. " -gesundheit, was something you didn't want to do. Following that logic this makes sense as a next step: Not trying to change you, just pointing out the obvious. I relate alot of your ideas, personality i disrespect ethics, but in practice its been proven ineffective because it lacks holistic thinking. Just pointing out that what you probably want is not what your ego is defending, thats a distraction. Ive been playing devils advocate, seeing conflicts in your writing and pointing them out. I was fully aware while writing my last comment that it resembled a common pattern to pursued change. In actuality i was just following the logical next step. This conversation began because i saw you where making things up as you go to defend your self (revealed by the conflicting statements). You then maturely introspected and communicated it. Good stuff. Humans naturally move towards more holistic thinking, its not about a ideal people are pushing on to you. We are pointing to vertical growth. Its not that i think something is wrong with you, its im trying to point to what you really want and just dont know it yet.

Seems to be a solid responds, maybe where done here. Like to say you have an ability to expand and string together ideas that's definitely a great talent, but this talent is also your responsibility. We should accept you for who you are, but when a mad man is swinging his intellectual gun around its hard to be casual about it lol. Wouldn't it be easier to community harmoniously from the beginning to prevent the need to later have to defend? Also aren't there plenty of wise quotes about loving oneself unconditionally? Removing any need to defend? If that energy used to defend could be used for something else, how would you conduct your self ideally? I feel like your about to unlock a super power lol

@Bando It probably makes better sense in the long run just to do something healthy "normal". Taking honey like that... its very unclear.

The monk was posted here as an example of someone who is at peace. He then burned himself for peace protesting the Vietnam war. Its a funny connection, not sure its irony or not, maybe im using the word incorrectly or just complete missing something. Positive Irony.

@Roy @Leo Gura Ironically he burned him self alive for peace. Protesting vietnam war.

@seeking_brilliance Give us the answer, stop teasing.

It might promote horizontal growth if that person is close enough to your level vertically to understand your truth. Its just experienced as an attack for all other vertical levels especially seeing as its coming with a intentional emotional manipulation. A good teacher tailors the teaching to the students needs and definitely doesn't "purposefully try to trigger people's emotions which in turn will bring out their shadows and attachments." -Gesundheit Whats the goal? We established its not helping people, so why is "truth" the way to go. What problem are you "solving" and why engage solving it?

Makes sense, plenty of traps on the path. After watching all of leos videos multiple times and learning a bunch of models im getting the sense that im "smarter". Because i can see more then i did before. So by my current level of development, smarter = seeing more = aware of more But from many perspectives nothing has changed. Smarter is relative. Hmm it can also be framed as seeing less. lol

@Gesundheit Did my aggression help you grow? lol What about aggression with out any sense, does that help growth? (how most people are experiencing it)