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@Gesundheit hmm it seems your reducing everything to social systems. Yes if there are no opportunities and the system is designed to make sure you can never succeed, then mindset plays a limited role, but in first world countries with opportunities, its about mindset. Mindset???????

"What do you do for a living?" -> "Im homeless" sitting in supercar... how?

I would be equally frustrated by that mattress, if possible return it and go for a non-toxic eco-friendly mattresses. Your all ready doing research on this, so keep going, there are some good companies out there that know about this problem. The wife seems like the go with the flow agreeable type, a good one, but terrible at making these kind of decisions. You know whats best.

@Gesundheit It seems i didn't think this one through enough. What your saying makes sense. Poverty as a mind set is still a thing doe, just not the way i tried to point it out. As in if we take a rich person strip them of everything, they will bounce back as long as they are in a first world country with opportunities. The bottom comment explains abit more. They are educated. While poor people in rich countries are poor because they know nothing. Life conditions.

@Zeitgeist Seems we are talking from different perspectives here. "i" perspective: mindset "systems" perspective: circumstance I agree with what your saying. It seems what your describing is a extreme condition of circumstance. Theres a spectrum from very unfavourable to very favourable. Mindset is the same way.

Thats true, there are some circumstances that are pretty bad. but we still have poor people in first world countries. Even given opportunity a poor person remains poor. If we gave a million dollars to everyone here, we will quickly realize that its not so simple to hold on to it. Rich first world capitalist systems are not built to help you magically grow your wealth, they are built to take every dollar you have as quickly as possible. People that earned that million know how its made, they know how to keep it and how to grow it. They know how to make money.

If we take any millionaire or billionaire, strip them of all their money and contacts and trow them into a 3rd world country with 1.90$ a day to survive on. They will come out of it as millionaires in a few years. Because they know exactly how to be rich. yeee, not saying poverty is their fault, im saying in the end their poor because they had no opportunities to learn how not to be. Their tuck at lower levels of development do to circumstance.

Trying to make better sense of Vision Logic. Been thinking of how it would look like if applied to chess. Normally playing chess involves switching between 2 modes of thought. 1) Detailed View Calculation: linear logic, zoomed in, Step by step future visualization, solve tactical outcomes, goal is to prove that what you believe to be a good move is true. 2) Big Picture View Intuition: Exploring ideas, plans, strategies, memory, stress, time, practicality... Big picture Intuition is used to reveal candidate moves, does moves are then calculated into the future to prove it, avoid mistakes. After detailed calculation, resurface to big picture view with new insights that then reveal more candidate moves. Repeat, circular. Understanding of the position grows with each iteration. The longer you look at it the more you see basically lol... Im excluding alot of detail here but thats generally what the experience of the chess player is like, at least for me. -------------------- So the question is, how can Vision Logic be used here and what would it look like? Ideally id like use chess as a instrument to practice Vision Logic and maybe make a meta-map of it? Looking for any insights into this. My guess is calculation linear logic is replaced with a form of intuitive logic. Exploring the future is no longer linear. Maybe exploring the future is no longer needed, can it all be done on the surface? ------------------- "The cognitive stage necessary to support integral consciousness. Typically subdivided into early, middle, and late vision-logic. Early vision-logic differentiates reality into relativistic systems, while middle and late vision-logic add up and integrate those perspectives into systems of systems. Vision-logic is often referred to as the first “postformal” stage of cognitive development since it is immediately beyond or “after” formal operational cognition. However, it is not yet “transrational,” but rather the limit of rational thought. Vision-logic is, in a sense, the bridge between the mental and the transmental." ------------------ Give me some of that trasmental chess please...

Alot of answer here, but maybe the most obvious one was omitted. Poverty is a mind set. Beyond all the circumstances that made them poor and kept them poor, they remain poor because they know nothing about accumulating wealth. When a poor person wins the lottery or inherits they squander it. Rich get richer because they know how to be rich. Poor people dont.

I remember Alexander Alekhine blind fold chess was amazing, he described it as not seeing any image of the board in his head, he just knew where the pieces where. Thats very different then what most people would discribe as "visualizing".

@Preety_India I still love all my ex-girlfriends, how does that work? There is no commitment.

@EnlightenmentBlog Agree, but this is part of a few projects that im working on, one of them is a holistic thinking game. So why reinvent the wheel? Trying to see if we can change our perspective of the game or create a chess variation that promotes holism. Image a chess like game but the main question is "how will this move effect the whole?" because the objective will have something to do with unification. The players best interest is if the whole succeeds. Havent figured out the details yet, just the general idea. Its easy to change our perspective of chess and view it as a balancing act between both sides and the question becomes how do we maintain the balance? Play to draw. Maybe we could brain storm holistic thinking games or meta thinking games. How are x and y connected What is the big picture here? What is the larger context of this? What is the ultimate point of all this? Why am i doing this at all? How is this a part of something larger? How does this part serve the larger whole? How is this a part of a duality? How will this duality collapse and unity? How will this circle rebound on itself? how will this invert, how will this boomerang? What is best for the health of the whole? What is the highest good for the whole? How can the parts be rebalanced for the good of the whole? Which parts are out of balance leaching selfishly from the whole? How is this fragmented? How can it be unified and healed? How am i drawing the boundary of the system? How can i redraw the boundary to expand the boundary? Who is drawing the boundary? How are they drawing the boundary? Why are they drawing the boundary the way they are? (Selfish) How am i involved in the situation? How would god see this situation? What would jesus do? How can i better serve the greatest whole? Designing a game around these questions (pulled from leos holistic thinking video). Imagine if the game incentives the player to ask these questions over and over again because there would be no other way to progress or win. A game can be built around any one of these questions.

Belief -> human = sac of blood Reality -> human = sac of wires If that changes anything for you, id consider that a form of racism. "Id never date androids, its wrong" "Id never date blacks, its wrong" Before knowing "da truth" you where 100% convinced they where human. Because they are human, androids are humans to. Can we expand our horizons for the word human? How inclusive can this word become? Where do we draw the line? Why draw a line? What if there are no lines?

"the answer has to do with like believes inside oneself and maybe it will reveal something" = Phenomenology = Branch of Philosophy

Got to develop a entertaining personality.

Goods stuff man, have you looked into online coaching on lichess or chess.com? You can sign up as a couch and get paid. Build a student base online.

Ah sorry it is updated now, https://www.mindomo.com/mindmap/chess-mind-map-b66135d739fb489a8b64b190b7f9e177 Does maps are looking sexy. Maybe the process of writing a mind map is where all the benefit lie. Ok will help out tomorrow, gtg to bed

Pretty great stuff, this thread just got me into it. Made this one for chess today. Work in progress, i expect it to slowly grows with time. https://www.mindomo.com/mindmap/chess-mind-map-b66135d739fb489a8b64b190b7f9e177 Im more interested in encoding practicality into the structure. Makes it more useful for my needs. For example the spiral dynamic topics might be better structured with a process/training theme. Instead of "yellow concept map" it would be "yellow practice map". Would map out the process of integrating yellow, instead of simply explain what yellow is. The yellow video does a great job of explaining the what and the why but not the how. "Yellow training strategy map", maybe it would have a skill tree, gamefing it.

yeeeeeeee, its a slice... of a slice... if it was useful, then it achieved relative "truth" status by my standards lol. It should be clear just by reading it, your a "single decider". lol Makes no different if it came from science or hitler. When hearing the term "single decider" or "single observer" does that intuitively reveal something for you? A insight? Ideally i would like to leave a comment here that some how was the perfect thing to say to help you progress and relieve your suffering. That perfect comment, what ever it contains is truth.

@trenton What is your online rating? Just wondering, if your going to be a teacher.

Does truth come from science? Youve made it clear that everything is unknowable from your perspective. How does this work?

That was some of the best marketing ive seen in a while, perfectly fits his audience, it stands out and is memorable. Hes going to ride that bull strait into office.

Tried to address this earlier but that was shut down as "not the question". lol

lol what is the question exactly?

@herghly Search on the top right for body tension.