krockerman

They are gonna fall back as long as they follow the fundamental laws of reality. Nothing is permanent even enligtment. Even @Leo Gura has stated that even if you attain Non-duality you are gonna come back to duality at some point. That does not mean that it will happen in their life time or many many life times. But it will happen

Well you cannot that peace of mind unless you desire to have it. Otherwise you would not acually enjoy that peace. If you have no desire you can neither feel the pain of hell or the beauty of heaven. you desire that peace of mind. Once you get it you desire to keep that peace of mind. Otherwise you would have to problem to get back your desires

Well no even the most enlightend beings in reality will fall back to sleep sooner or later

Even if you awake to no-self you are gonna go back to sleep. It’s just how reality works. every being in reality has at some point realized no self yet most are far from awake now. You see the problem

Even if you dissolve egoic seeking it is like everything else it is impermanent. It’s gonna come back

No matter what you do you will always come back to seeking. You can’t escape it. Everything is impermanent

If this is true that must mean that Reality itself = suffering Because everything in reality is impermanent Whatever it is enlightenment, Ice cream or consciousness They are all impermanent

For example if you have an healthy attachment to your toys. It will give you excitment to come home after school. Your mom tells you that you will be able to play with the toys after you have done your homework. This give you motivation unhealthy attachment would be skipping school or skipping homework to play with toys

Many people use mediation practices for this

I would say it’s how you attachment to things that matter

It can actually be proven by maths as a whole. Nothing in reality can defy self evident logic For example we call reality absolute infinty because it is exacly that. Not absolute beyond infinty. To realize the rationality behind infinty You may have to reach stage mandarin.

I agree that having a few desires that are important for your soul is better than having a lot of shallow ones. Even saying that you want simpleness is a desire. You can’t escape it no matter what. You may desire to experience a state of mind that feels very desireless but it’s still not desireless just like voids are not nothing. They only seem like they are nothing but they are not actually nothing

Well still no because if you don’t fundamentaly desire to be in being you won’t be able to enjoy it while you experince it. same with playing with toys. If you don’t desire to play with toys while you are playing with toys while you are playing with goys you are not gonna enjoy it. Pure and simple. You seem to have a narrow view of desires and do not see just how fundamentaly important they are. I have spoken to a man who pretty much got rid of all of his desires. He told me it was like being a dead man walking. He did not even crave life. Sure he did not suffer at all but he Also did not enjoy anything. In absolute infinity there are places with so much beauty and joy that you can’t even imagine it. What would happen if you visited the place with no desires at all? You would not enjoy any of it, it would make no difference to you than being scorched or tortured If you have no desire nothing will excite you, nothing will make you happy but ofc nothing will hurt you either. Having Desires and having no desires are both double edge swords

Where can you experince joy that has fundementaly no form of desire at all?

Good point. Needs are still desires. Desiers comes in all shapes and sizes. Leo has even said that you should have a life of wants not needs. But I don’t think it is a black or white thing. A need does not have to cause major suffering. Btw Leo has said that love is desire. So even big man Leo does not disagree with me fundamentaly

Not if I don’t have the desire to avoid pain.

What are you talking about? When I was 5 year old I had losts of desires, playing with toys, friends, going to waterparks etc and I can tell you from first hand experince that those desires bringed me alot of joy. I have had a phase where I kinda lost most of most of my desires. I stopped desire to hang out with friends, having fun. The only desire I had is that i wanted to escape the numbness. When my desires where strong reality was alot more exciting and joyful. If you stopped the desire to be in an enlightend joyful state you Would choose to become denlightend. Even the desire to not want any desire is still a desire. If leo Would stop having the desire to awake, meditate etc he would stop doing it. Just because you have the desire to be joyful does not automatically make you joyful. Same with if you have the desire to awake, it won’t happen magically you need to do the work.

If you have No desire to wanting to experince that joyfull state while you are in it then it is not acually joyfull. About thougts. Don’t confuse correlation for causation. Thoughts are not desires. You may think you desire money but you may actually desire the freedom that comes with it. But it can also lead to suffering because you may get people who are trying to use you for your money. Even the joy for. enlightenment don’t last forever so it’s just as impermanent as any other desire. I don’t say this because I want to shame the people who want to awake I am just pointing out why we are all right whatever we desire or not desire to get rid of our desires (that is still a desire)

The reason that they are joyful is that they have the desire to experience joy that comes from enlightenment. In the same way that you can desire to avoid pain while being burned. Just because you have it does not mean you can’t desire it. If you where given the most joyful feeling in the world but have no desire to experience joy. You would not enjoy it. Same with if you where to experince the most painful thing in the world, if you had no desire to avoid pain it’s not actually painful. Everything love, joy etc are all fundamentally desire. Even having a state where you have almost no desire just having a very peaceful state of mind. The desire to have that peaceful state of mind is what is still desire.

Well the root of suffering and joy is desire. If you desire to avoid pain while you are in an Experince of pain, you will suffer. Same of you desire to Experince joy while you are in an experince of joy, you will enjoy it. If you don’t desire to Experince neither joy or pain you will neither suffer or enjoy. Same with the other way around. Simple as that

Enligtend people tend to not repress anything. Because of that they might not repress their desires for lust and power.

Egolessness will make you more independent of the state of the world. Even Leo have Said he could blow up the world and still love himself. I would not do that. I think you might start to see Why they could do the things they did

Reality or absolute infinity is logic itself. It cannot include anything that is against logic. If it did it would limit the reality Let's use an example a supernova that could destroy Reality itself. That would limit Reality rather than make it more limitless. However, this also means that God or absolute infinity is not Omnipotent because it cannot do anything that goes agaist logic. So if absolute infinity is logic @Leo Gura why not try to look into logic and reason to try to reach out to mainstream scientists about the nature of Reality if you want to awaken the the planet as fast as possible?

God as in absolute infinity will not limit you.

There have been many enlightened masters that have gone corrupt and exploited their followers for sex and money. Reality is relative. You are thinking of reality from an more absolutist point of view