Derek White

How much commitment do these relationships require? I bet not a lot. If you’re not interested in someone because they have different goals then yes it’s a problem. It says something about your values. Have curiously as one of your values. Be open minded. If you only talk to people who are just like you, you will end up in an echo chamber. For eg. a conservative or a progressive bubble. Talking to different people opens up new possibilities and perspectives. You don’t have to hang out everyday with lazy people, but you should be able to have a conversation with them if the situation arises. Also you don’t need a dad to learn this stuff.

Wha ?? what happened? Who made you cry?

@Emerald Any question right. Let’s test the waters. What has been the theme of my life for the past few years? Seems like a taroty question, shouldn’t be too hard to answer.

It sounds like a lucid dream you’re completely in control of. Wake up, imagine weird things or let the dream plan out. A few nights ago I had an epiphany, I thought it would be appropriate to share since it includes Sadhguru lol. So I had a nightmare in which I was sleeping at my old home in India. I wake up seeing some greenish/blue light in my balcony. I go out and I see Sadhguru as a ghost floating and rotating just outside my balcony, next to the railing, under a moon light sky. His eyes were drunk as if he’s under the influence and his head seemed bald without his turban. Seeing that I get a little taken aback and call my father, for some reason my mother’s not there. At this point I am vaguely conscious that this is a dream. Seeing the ghost he doesn’t believe it. He touches Sadhguru’s bald head. His hand passes by it as if it was made up of green smoke. At that moment my father starts to slowly become a ghost to. I look at him. His body has become a ghost and he is floating to looking at me, without rotating or having weird eyes like Sadhguru. I ask him to come back, he says it’s to late, he has crossed the line and gone. Now their two bodies are floating away from me. At this point I am terrified and conscious that this is a dream and I can warp it anyway I want or wake up. I consciously decide fo end the nightmare. After that I open my eyes and realize “this” is as real as that dream and possible to snap out to of. It was a strong insight.

Ime, once you accept and love everything suffering stops (at least to a great degree). That means deconstructing beliefs. arbitrary standards. Basically giving up wanting reality to be a certain way. But that doesn’t mean you can’t have superficial preferences or enjoy music or other pleasures.

Yea. But I don’t see how wanting this state to last is a trap? Aren't some infinities larger than others?

Are you implying Leo is motivated by suffering? I think he suffers but there’s also positive motivation, he talked about it. Being motivated by suffering is a trap, it’s hard to get enlightenment that way. Besides, wasn’t Buddha suffering? Eckhart Tolle?

@zeroISinfinity Leo has reached many states that he would have considered Absolute in the past. It seems he always finds a new absolute every time. How do you know your state was absolute? Maybe there’s more?

@zeroISinfinity From your unclear posts I gather that you’re saying all the states of consciousness are perfect and same so stop wanting “higher states”. Yea, in a way you’re right, everything is perfect, but that doesn’t mean you stop chasing higher and higher states. Ik it’s relative from a perspective. Your ability to see perfection in everything, for eg., is itself a “state” that you may or may not have had to work towards. Not everyone can see perfection in everything and you’re “better off” seeing it, otherwise you suffer. So let Leo chase higher states. That’s his intuitive desire imo, if it wasn’t he would most likely be addicted.

@Leo Gura Do it man.

Yea. It’s hard cause thinking also causes a lot of our problems. So it’s easy for... the lack of a better word... our ego... to completely discard it and feel relieved. It takes a lot of awareness to think without hurting oneself. Not identifying with thoughts. @LfcCharlie4 Many of the other teachers it seems are teaching people to be happy and satisfied by connecting with being. Sort of like, being at peace no matter what the outside situation is. Leo’s includes that but he goes further in a sort of a scientific way. Besides he resonates with me, it’s hard to resonate with Sadhguru who’s really old, has been naturally conscious since birth, been working for the past 3 life times, etc. etc. Plus he doesn’t even talk about spirituality nowadays, his content is a lot more social and political in nature. If you have a teacher that you think you resonate with you more than I would love for you to share it. Pm me if you don’t want to share it publicly.

@Leo Gura Humm... Okay, I agree. I feel like I got there and then I fell into the trap of discarding all thinking and question and just “being”. And now it seems like I have ADHD lol. Questioning can orient you to specific sections of reality. Like, you’re not going to understand how computers work by just observing one. You would have to ask, “how does the mouse work? And observe the mouse and then do it with other parts of the computer and so on.

@Leo Gura hey you should start a new dedicated thread where people ask you questions since you’re activity replying to them.

Oh okay.

Does anyone feel that the boundary between vivid imagination and lucid dreaming is very thin?

@Leo Gura why is contemplation (assuming you mean thinking deeply) so important? Isn’t thinking, logic, and words limited? Dont you think perception or “looking at reality without words” is more important?

@Leo Gura How long are you going to use 5-MeO-DMT? When is your seeking going to stop?

It is in your control. You can change it. That’s what Love/Open-mindedness is all about.

@Meta-Man hahahahaha

If you’re conscious that you’re imagining it you should imagine it away . Besides, isn’t it about suffering more mindfully?

And then seeking becomes effortless in the same way going to the fridge to get ice cream or getting better at your favourite sport is effortless. It doesn’t have to stop.

It also includes letting go of beliefs and connecting with direct experience, with what is.

That is a relatively easy thing to do. Just practice letting go.

You do have to force yourself a little bit to stay seated.

Depends what you mean by lucid dreaming. I’m conscious that I’m dreaming a lot. Controlling dreams is not something that I enjoy, I did it a lot when I was younger.