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You might as well have substituted the word "assume" for "imagine", for linguistic efficiency. While on some level what Leo says is correct, it lacks a notion of utility in a restricted existence such as humans are compelled to live within. I wonder if I could get Leo to consider a medical condition called Dejerine-Roussy syndrome, a condition which occurs on occasion after a stroke affecting the thalamus and results in unremitting pain which can be unresponsive to treatment and often results in the sufferer if capable committing suicide. Is their suffering real, egoic or based on an attachment to a pain-free existence? I have used psychedelics for 30+ years and what I have learned is that these tools do not provide gnosis of an end-point, and whilst novel and revelatory, they are better regarded as akin to a chisel which allows you to "sculpt" your life as the intrinsic part of "the process" that it is. I also wonder how Leo will regard much of what he now says in 5 years time. Humour me, because I do recognise that "time doesn't exist".

Could Leo attempt to define "imaginary" as he understands it because I think not having it defined is hindering the discussion regarding what is real or not.

^^These scales are better at assessing a static weight rather than gauging dynamic changes in weight so adding powder to the paper on the pan will be less accurate. Also, using the example in my post, be alert to the concept of percentage errors ie paper weighs 48mg and I add what I hope to be 4mg of whatever substance. This takes the total weight to 53mg (this figure assumes a little inherent over-estimation by the device)with the powder comprising (4/53 x100=) 7.5%; the added weight of the paper thereby reduces the possible percentage error compared to say me throwing what I hope to be 4mg onto the pan and it registering as 5mg - a percentage error of 25%. In simple terms, 1. establish weight of paper (x mg);2. tare the scale to account for the weight of this so the scale reads 0.000mg; 3.remove paper from scale so the scale registers -x mg;4.add powder to the paper whilst it is OFF the scale; 5.put paper with powder back on the scale and the number of mg shown will be a positive number and reasonable approximation of the weight of the powder.

I think its very important to think critically about the utility of the microscoop device for reliably measuring your dose. A volumetric device such as this has scant regard for the density of the material within it and the degree of compression applied to the substance when loading. This will undoubtedly affect the dose; for example powder that's loosely kept in a baggie will be denser if compressed for example by being in ones back pocket and sat upon. The low cost 0.001g precision scales are much better if the following is borne in mind: 1.The resolution at sub-10mg doses is poor especially if directly put onto the pan; 2.A much more reliable method IME, would be to put a cigarette paper upon the pan to establish its weight (small paper is 47-49mg consistently enough for the brand I use), then remove the paper, ADD the powder onto this paper while it is off the pan and then replace it on said pan to establish the weight. Simple subtraction will give you a pretty reproducible result. 3.Adding the powder to the paper whilst on the pan is more likely to give erratic results; this is just part of the technology of the device.

I think it is important to abolish all notions of an Absolute level of enlightenment/consciousness via DPT, or any other agent. Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't 5 Meo the deliverer of this state, until DPT was used? How would the experience of DPT with say MXE onboard be regarded? These are all perspectives, nothing more nor less. I also question the notion of being able to re-wire ones cells to cure cancer; I understand the limitations of science including medical research but science has some utility in working out some of the mechanisms of how cancer operates, and "re-wiring" is a superficial notion which displays an experientially-induced "feelz right man" ignorance. Leos DPT vid also describes how all his cells exploded outwards- does this include the bacteria in his gut, or on the skin, or do these "not exist"?

I've just watched Leos vid on DPT, and he has been clearly affected by the significance of the experience. He asks if it is possible to go further and what he needs to realise is that the rabbit-hole, if it has a limit, will never really be fully reached. The deepest insights I have ever encountered are undoubtedly produced by tryptamines with NMDA receptor antagonists. The latter add a depth which I suppose would be tantamount to peeling additional layers off of the Onion of "The Godhead" and if a limit does exist I have no trouble imagining it to lie somewhere in the realms afforded by this type of combination.

Freebase DMT, the version required for vaporizing, is notoriously difficult to get the best out of, leading to reports such as those found within this thread, which mention 50mg doses and an awful taste, and pronouncements such as the McKenna-esque assertion that one must take the third toke. For those serious about investigating vaporized DMT in an effective and responsible fashion I would strongly suggest investing in an appropriate device which will utterly transform your relationship with this molecule. There are tales told by some extremely experienced users of DMT which mention throwing a 50mg dose into a utensil and, as an unexpected quirk of that session, they found that their vaporization technique on that day was better than usual resulting in the bulk of the 50mg being vaporized, delivering an experience which was utterly shocking and unsettling. The awful plastic taste that users describe is fully reflective of the freebase DMT being burned, giving a sub-optimal experience in terms of bang per mg plus also being launched however far into the space with the discomfort in your large airways, which will also colour the trip. This tends to be common when the DMT gets the flame applied to it, or if the smoking device utilises conduction to vaporize the DMT, such as a glass meth or crack-type pipe. Freebase DMT vaporizes beautifully, reliably and consistently in a device which utilises convection rather than conduction. The gold-standard for achieving this, in my estimation/experience, would be a device such as the VaporGenie. The Classic wooden version works well, and the glass Sherlock version is even better; with the latter the vapor is actually pleasant to inhale and it is not difficult to efficiently vaporize 30-40mg in a single inhalation. Getting the dose in a single breath dramatically alters the intensity of the experience and I would strongly advise those who regularly put 50mg into a bong bowel or glass lollipop to start with 20-25mg only because of the brutal efficiency of the device. I have on a couple of occasions only used a Vaporgenie to deliver a dose in the 40-45mg range in a single inhalation and I assure all readers that the speed/intensity of the trip is such that it is impossible to take anything meaningful away from it, and the viciousness of the onset with no prospect of release to a non-dual state could be incredibly traumatising to the hapless venturer. The monetary cost of investing in the right device is unquestionably worth it in order to really see what DMT has to offer in my opinion. The Glass Vaporgenie along with a quality torch-style lighter and some ChoreBoy copper scrub (or alternatively, steel wool), loaded with 25-30mg freebase DMT always gets the heart racing as one picks up the device and contemplates what one is about to do to oneself. A true test of ones nerve, and a rite of passage every time.

I think there's some talking at cross purposes here; 5 Meo DMT freebase is required for effective vaporization, not salts such as HCl/oxalate which are more suited to insufflation, rectal and sublingual use. Vaporizing salts is inefficient when compared to freebase and will produce more sketchy fumes. For rapid and mercifully briefer forays to the real depths vaporization is unrivalled in my opinion; to get that far with insufflation would be more arduous and protracted which comes with its own set of risks because of dosages required,and not forgetting the psychological aspects which are far far from insignificant. Its a case of horses for courses; for gaining insight and doing work the rectal/intra-nasal routes are probably better but its hard to state conclusively that the method is perfect unless one can meaningfully compare it to the vaporized experience in order to have the full range of experiences to base ones conclusions upon. One thing that our unifying interest here at Actualized should have taught us is that there are many levels, and the most efficacious routes to these depends on ones intentions which should govern the vehicle chosen to make the journey.

Hi there. The title is not a alluding to a direct comparison, but the inspiration for it derives, in part, from the observation that having witnessed neophytes using both DMT (as caapi changa) and 5 Meo (as Bufo Alvarius toad venom), all 3 such individuals rated DMT as more amazing and profound. Admittedly, the sample size is not large, but it prompted some reflection on my part, along the lines that ones previous experience (which thus governs expectations) and the innately human criterion of profound reliance on visual perception can serve as an obstacle to evaluating whatever experience one has been blessed with. Having experienced oral and vaporized DMT many times before the chance to experience 5 Meo crossed my path, I concur with most who have savoured the latter and would regard it as effecting an experience more profound than the former. What both do have in common in my estimation is having the same requirement to utterly surrender to the process as it unfolds, and in some ways holding on to the mindset of submission is more of a feat with DMT because it typically does not breakthrough to a point of singularity which 5 Meo can evoke where the concept of surrender becomes a nostalgic notion. So, I hear you ask, where does vaporhuasca enter the picture? My single experience of vaporhusaca consisted of oral ingestion of the pharmaceutical RIMA, moclobemide, at a dose of 300mg followed some 2 hours later by 30mg of freebase DMT, vaporized in a Glass VaporGenie via a single inhalation. Of course, all salient precautions need to be taken when using such a MAOI-A in terms of possible interactions with many compounds and this does require some diligent preparatory research. This combination provides 45 minutes in breakthrough territory where the possibility of being "a mindful observer" is not an option, as one is drenched in cascades of information which is relentless, unrestrained and beyond resisting if one hopes to traverse the territory with a modicum of sane functioning afterwards. The information was imparted by what I could only describe as "Not I", an extraneous source which was ancient, wise and masterful; the visual aspect of which I retain the merest memory was as if a lens had been utilised to alter the focus which rendered the impressive standard-DMT visuals into concretions which were beyond the HD of the norm. The end-point of the experience, the pinnacle, gave some of the insights of the 5 Meo peak, but if you imagine the latter as being a turbo-charged elevator to the heights, the vaporhusaca was like being forcefully dragged up the numerous flights of stairs to the same podium. Much more jarring and demanding, a different kind of labour and one which, if someone held a gun to my head and compelled me to the same combination again or alternatively 5 Meo in a pipe, I would without hesitation opt for the latter. 5 Meo has on occasion been described as a shortcut to "the gnosis" and I would by and large agree, and whilst shortcuts have their utility, it would seem that vaporhuasca is even more of an obscure venture and one which, I firmly believe, has a firm role in filling in the blanks which exist in the "suburbs" of the infinite void. Needless to say, this work is advanced but I would suggest offers an instructive route to these oh-so far reaches, even if experienced only the once.

I hear you Leo, but experientially the transition to this putative "other" was so rapid- beyond what would be "comparatively" tame with the same dose of DMT, unenhanced - that it was to all intents and purposes, exogenous. And I do not anticipate a next time- once was utterly sufficient. The amount of reports of breakthrough doses of effectively vaporized freebase DMT on the back of full MAO- inhibition are surprisingly few and I for one can appreciate why this might be. I also think that there is something utterly unique about vaporized tryptamines in terms of the distance they can propel the user and should not be dismissed without experiencing them at least once. Trite phrases like "You had to be there", or "Do it, and then you'll know" have a counter-intuitive validity when applied to these activities. One simply has no idea of vaporhuascas capacity to deliver something monumentally epic without having vaporised DMT, and even then the elevation of the bar further is similar to the difference between say oral DMT and the vaporized trip in terms of profundity.

MAOI affects both vaporized and oral DMT, both qualitatively and quantitively in the "same" way that it affects psilocybin in psilohuasca but when it comes to vaporized DMT one does not have the "leisure" of a 2-3 hour come-up and the directness of the delivery makes the venture number 1 in the list of extreme psychedelia that I have ever experienced. I have not tried plugging DMT salt but have heard good reports on this ROA. I never thought of it in terms of being channelled but that's an interesting take on it. I would also not call whatever "possessed" me as a guide- the term Drill Instructor would be more fitting. The attempt to maintain observer status was comprehensively wrenched away rendering me into a mere puppet who was going to be shown, whether I wanted to be shown or not.