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@VeganAwake Man, there seems to be quite some hypocrisy in this message, but it doesn't seem like you're very willing to acknowledge this. How about this: "Bud I'm honestly telling you, you have taken the I am God belief and stacked it on top of your egoic self agenda and have convinced yourself you are God." Bud I'm honestly telling you, I have taken the nothing matters belief and stacked it on top of my egoic self agenda and have convinced myself nothing matters. "I don't have any attachments so I don't know why you keep projecting that belief this direction..." I do have attachments so I don't want you to keep projecting that belief this direction... "You also avoid any tough questions on your direct God realization experience... " I avoid any tough questions on my nothing matters belief... "I don't need my experience validated over and over again to satisfy some kind of egoic specialness requirement..." I need my experience validated over and over again to satisfy some kind of egoic specialness requirement... "I love you but seriously holy smokes dude you're stubborn as hell..." I love you but seriously holy smokes dude I'm stubborn as hell... lol, retyping that last sentence gave me a good laugh. Man, we all have done this and are doing this still to varying degrees. I myself am often grateful for someone wracking me (sometimes only after the fact of course). I think you're doing quite amazing though. I often look back on things I've said and find it cringeworthy later or after years. I think you had an big and important insight into how meaning is a construction, which can then lead to swinging too much to the opposite direction, denying the other perspective. However balance would have it that over time also a more relative perspective gets reincluded. One would be conscious of and acknowledge each level or aspect imo for a good balance. A nice phrase from Bashar is 'life is not this or that, but this AND that'.

@LfcCharlie4 just in addition to something you discussed with others. To me it seems most people only base enlightenment on being awake through the crown chakra. Then @Leo Gura talks about awakening to Love lately too, okay, isn't that just also including the heart chakra? There are many chakras in the body, so one can become awake to many aspects. Perhaps with 5 meo you can only effectively open the crown, but maybe it's useless for opening the many other chakras, maybe this is the imbalance that people see in Leo.

lol Leo's comment made me laugh

I've been listening quite a bit to channeled information lately, and found 'The Wonders' now. They have a bunch of Youtube videos, but there is also this page with podcasts audio, which seems all free as far I can tell: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-wonders-hour/id163344078?mt=2 Seems to me quite an amazing resource For an introduction from the Wonders themselves, you can watch the first podcast ('The First Show') from 42:20 onwards

For me the 5 element practise was less effective than for bobby, but I still do it and I feel it's quite powerful too. These mantras are an easy way to pull nice energy into you. The idea is that you get initiated into this practise first, as I have, but some people do it without and still experience good stuff

@Nahm 20 years, ah okay I thought you just had done it some years. Thanks!

@Salvijus Thanks for that message, interesting. Maybe I'll stop with the psychedelics. @Matteo Nice share, thank you! :-) I want to share a couple of things, as I can relate quite a bit with your story. I have similar concerns and doubts as you with psychedelics, also have done RASA and have been struggling or doubting as to what path I should follow too. as for RASA I had maybe 2/3 'official' RASA sessions, and watched a bunch of recorded RASA sessions. Someone who gave RASA, and became my friend for a while, wanted to have a spontaneous video chat with me. He wanted to explain the stuff like 'there is no person, there is only this', etc. I already knew there was no person, but okay. At some point he said something like 'you already know there is no person? Oh that's like LOC 1000. You know what, close your eyes and let go of everything, stop the seeking', I gave it a go and tried releasing everything, I released something perhaps because I had a tear. Not a biggy. He said, 'yea you're probably 1000 now, let me check' he checked and said that I was at 1000. He send my picture to Ramaji or Ananda to have them double check and they also said I was at 1000. I didn't feel any different and doubted very much if he wasn't just trying to convince himself and me. Anyway, nothing changed in the meanwhile (that I feel I should attribute to RASA) lol. Not sure what to think of RASA, maybe there is something to it, but I think they might make it out to be more then it is. As to pshychedelics. I love Bashar and tried finding some videos of him where he talks about pshychedelics. I found some videos where he mentions something, but not in fullness. Could you share what you found of him talking about it? Also, did Sadhguru really say that he would have done it himself if he thought it was a viable path? I read a book on it which also talked about psychedelics a bit, read it here : I can relate to practices not seeming to do much, while psychedelics give palpable transformation. However, I've been doing Shambavi Mahamudra and a 5 element cleansing practiced based on mantras (https://learn.divinelineage.org/) now for like 4 months and I've noticed that I have been looking for perception shifts to tell if things are changing. However, if I focus on my subtle energy state, I do notice quite some difference. If I close my eyes the energystate I'm in is actually quite amazing. It seems that these practices work on a subtler level and you might not notice it that fast. It takes time for it to get going and then after a while you might notice that actually quite some change has seemed to be sneaking in. and in all I'm quite doubtful about the psychedelic path, maybe they (as you can read from the part of the book I shared with you above) will mess with your nervous system and you slowly become more insensitive to life. Also, since you seem to know about Bashar, based on your frustration I don't get the impression you've been following his 'method' of following your passion, or just doing what attracts you the most in every moment? Much love,

@Nahm just read just story and felt I got some value from it. Thank you for sharing. I'm wondering how long you meditated before the awakenings started, could you say?:)

@Carl-Richard Or phrased differently, will you ever stop putting your trust in that you can't trust yourself?

Okay another one, the timecode is a little off but close enough. First 2 hours or so is breathwork. I wanted to try if I could get some sort of breakthrough into God-consciousness or such, but that didn't work out. Not sure if I'll do another 3h session, maybe one with mushrooms lol

Big boss Jesus Christ Big boss Buddha Big boss Krishna

Okay not going to join for all the days, but maybe here and there a day. I was doing for like the first 2 hours and 40 minutes mantras and the last 20 minutes or so doing nothing. I'd be interested if the people that will do the 21 days, or close to it, describe their experiences and results at the last day.

@Identity would be curious to hear your further findings when you've experimented a bit more with them:)

@Harikrishnan https://www.facebook.com/groups/82990426678/permalink/10157652939376679/ here is a part I enjoyed reading about bashar and its 'people' and their state of consciousness, or in other words how many cycles per second their energy vibrates as they put it Jesus, so bashar says, was/is still quite a bit higher than them.

--------------- @Leo Gura quote function gives me lot of blanc spaces, so I do it like this It's far more radical than that. Since all difference is absolutely relative, there is no difference whatsoever between start and end, therefore it never started. You are imagining right now that it started at some point, and thereby you create the illusion of it having started. This illusion of a start is indistinguishable from reality, so it seems as though it started. But it never did. Everything always starts and ends right now! Your parents start and end right now! They were never real! They didn't give birth to you. You are concocting that story on the fly RIGHT NOW for the first time! This is its start and its end. It's absolutely crucial to become conscious that there is no difference between start and end within consciousness. Oneness cannot have a beginning or an end. There was never just void. That void is something you imagine existed in the past to explain the present. But past is something you're imagining right now for the very first time! Even the idea that you've imagined the past before is wrong, because that assumes a past! You've never imagined the past before. You are imagining right now for the first time that you've imagined the past in the past many times before, thereby creating "memory". Memory is nothing but imagination in the present. Everything you think you remember is actually you imagining for the first time in the present without realizing that you're doing so. Ta-da! --------------- I don't quite get some things you (are trying to) say here, can you be more clear? I'd like to grok it. A model that I heard, and I can wrap my mind around is that you're not moving through time, but shifting through many static images per second, thereby creating a sense or illusion of continuity. Okay the whole reality, the whole shebang is here right now, just shifting through frames, okay fine, not something new here for me. "Your parents start and end right now!", if you mean here their appearance (or appearances as they only exist as static pictures) in/as 'my' experience, yes alright. "You are imagining right now for the first time that you've imagined the past in the past many times before, thereby creating "memory"." You say that you imagine for the first time that there was a past. What are you trying to say here, how is a first time possible if there is no time? Maybe you just mean that the whole shebang is here right now, and so an experience of thought -that gets labeled memory- isn't referring to something that happened before. That memory experience is only a snapshot/experience and doesn't exist before or after the snapshot/experience "to which the memory refers". Is that what you mean?

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Book series of: Conversation with God Book series of: Ringing Cedars of Russia A Bashar video, usually they are paid but now there is one free video for 72 hours. https://www.gaia.com/share/ck80a6ftv00490ikbg0pdgf05?language[0]=en&fbclid=IwAR1KX7VwUjQO4F1pgkhsyvABMiXB6lTZsboZBXFM1HwU_eQWiI4_b88WRZ0

I think science isn't good to listen to for anything about how to live basically. I would just listen to your body and let it guide you. For example don't go check online how much you need to drink, or drink, just listen to your body. It tells you exactly what is good for you. Let your body tell you when it wants to go to sleep, every person might have a different natural sleep cycle. Discipline is misalignment from your Will/feelings/'body' and not conscious behavior

@Shiva99Bashar, a channeled entity, always talks about following your excitement. He says doing what excites you is the fastest way to raise yourself and bring you where you need to be. Don't worry or think about that which you want to do is able to get you where you want, trust that you'll be supported by life in what you love doing. You could see this time you've spend as having been a waste, also you could see that by doing what you thought you needed to but didn't want, you become fed up enough for you to create a readiness to try a different approach. I found a summary of what he talks about here: https://bashar.org/handouts/TheFormula.pdf . However if you want to gain some confidence that this approach will actually work it might be best to download some videos of him where he talks about it.

There is no who, that implies a person, but there is no such thing. But instead of just believing that you can check that easily yourself. Can you find a person/self, whatever that's supposed to mean to you, that is afraid? It could make the fear a little less personal when you see there isn't a person, but at least in my experience it doesn't eliminate the fear. I suppose you could say it is consciousness/spirit that freaks out at times

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I wanted to share a chapter from the book 'Right use of Will : healing and evolving the emotional body'. As a sidenote I want to say that I think this a very important book for if you are interested in living healthy and easily, evolving and healing. The book is -so the books says- channeled from God and gives many understandings and dispels important false beliefs. If you like a copy of it, ask me. Okay so, here goes: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DRUGS I am now going to perhaps seem to diverge here and give some understandings about the use of drugs. It is not really a divergence, however, since drugs have been used by man almost since the original loss of consciousness on Earth in the land of Pan. Since then, people have used drugs to increase the split between Spirit and Will even to the extreme of dying, to escape feelings and consciousness they don't want to accept, and also to try to heal the split and regain feelings and consciousness they believe they have lost. Understandings are needed about drugs. Drugs can help show the way, but they cannot take the way for you. The person using them must know how they can help him. They are not help if you become dependent on them. They are not help if you do not use insight gained from drugs to improve your consciousness on your own. If the drug is helping you, it will take you out of your present prison and show you more that you can assimilate into your consciousness. Drugs have actually damaged many more people than they have helped. Drugs have so far shown themselves to be treacherous because of their ability to gain a hold on the ones using them. Any judgment held about drugs affects the experience had in taking them. If the person believes he has to have the drug, then he has to have it. If belief is held that a drug is necessary to get high or that pain cannot be handled without drugs, the judgment will create the reality. Drugs have a place like anything else. Sometimes relief from pain is necessary; sometimes expansion of consciousness is helped, but for many, drugs have declined into a habit pattern. In these cases, the Will is not able to handle the drugs. Drugs are substances that are hard for the Will to eliminate, especially if the Will is undermined, and the Will of everyone on Earth today is undermined. The accumulation of drug residue will be felt as reduced sensitivity and eventually as complete interference in the nervous system that obstructs the consciousness, sensitivity and awareness considerably. The dosage of the drug must then be increased to produce a similar effect. This increases the residue which calls for increased dosage once again. So, be careful with the use of drugs. If your Will wants to recover, drugs may not be what they seem to be. In more people than not, the increased consciousness they were seeking originally becomes, with habit and time, the decreased consciousness they were seeking to transcend when they began taking drugs. The attuned Will probably won't want drugs, but nothing should be entirely ruled out. However, I will emphasize that drugs can be a treacherous path because they can lead you exactly where you are not trying to go. An understanding needing mention is that people are not meant to decide about the use or non-use of drugs for one another. When some people judged drugs to be damaging, they were being accurate about their own experience, but the form of a judgment is not useful. More than the drug or drugs, it is the consciousness using the drug that it is the determining factor. Drugs cannot be used to further your own denials or to try to permanently avoid something that seems too overwhelming at the time it happens without having to recover this later. You need to know what you are doing and why you are doing it and be willing to accept as soon as possible anything drugs are helping you to escape, such as intense pain or grief. Many people have an uneasy, unsettled, empty feeling that they try to avoid in this way also. Some people mask and avoid symptoms with drugs until the Body's problem is extensive and may even require surgery. Even anaesthesia for surgery will result in eventually having to accept both the pain of surgery and the pain of rejection felt by that part of the Body that was not allowed to be with you and have the message of its symptoms accepted. Anaesthesia is only a temporary escape. Nothing is left unfelt when you are completely present with yourself all the time. Any space in which you were unconscious contains feelings that you must accept when you can. Unconsciousness is the response of not being able to accept something or choosing not to accept something when it is happening. Responsibility for disconnection and denial must be taken as soon as the Spirit involved is able to do it. The Will and the Body remember the pain of surgery and everything else experienced, and can remember this from life to life. And so, at some point, everything will have to come forward to be cleared and given a place of acceptance. Even the loss of memory of recent past lives and distant existences in Pan, Lemuria and Atlantis is based on denial. If you use drugs, use them with this understanding if you can, and not to increase your own denial. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hopefully, any judgement about the use or not use of drugs can be minimized, and then none of the above is taken to justify or strengthen ones own judgements. As I read it, the word drugs here means drugs + psychedelics, so keep a distinction in mind please when you read the word drugs and don't lump all form of drug uses together.

@Mo0ngrass I'll send you a copy in pm :-) Love

From 'Right use of will: healing and evolving the emotional body': EGO Healing your disconnections and non self-acceptance is a matter of personal choice and timing, yet personal choice is not a constant,—it changes and expands as a person evolves. What may not seem right to you now may become right at any moment. Spiritual growth has been thought to require death of the ego. This is not true understanding. There is no problem wih ego. Denying the ego its right function has created disease in the ego and this disease is the problem. Death of the ego is not a necessary part of Spiritual growth. Ego in fact is the part of you that recognizes yourself as you. The ego operates to protect your present level of ability to accept and express. Ego is as Divine as anything else. There is no problem with ego if it sees itself as evolving with the rest of you. You cannot tell the difference between yourself and anything else without ego.