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Conversations with God I feel is a big shining jewel of a book-series Also I liked Ringing Cedars of Russia a lot, mainly the first books of those series Aaaannd 'Right Use of Will - Healing and Evolving the Emotional Body'

Lately I've been getting more into channeled material, which led me to some material that come from God/Spirit or the Divine Mother. Here some links: - https://www.ascensionlibrary.org/ here Judy Satori channels, mostly from Spirit/God, a light language that can be used to clear blockages, expand your consciousness, etc. You only have to listen to the recordings, so it's easy. She has various paid programs, but also a free section. You can sign up for a 5-day exploration membership and then explore all the main programs. I have several of these main programs myself now, and I feel they are very valuable and effective (haven't worked long with them yet). If I use a recording to clear my throat chakra, the next day I wake up feeling somewhat miserable. This of course is an indication that things are coming up, so it seems quite effective. - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7YE-wyb3ew5JT6_RcoDF_JIhpVywJHpb here you can find a free playlist to experiment with from various channelers. - https://reikidoc.blogspot.com/2014/06/divine-healing-codes-and-how-to-use-them.html Divine Healing Codes. You can also check out the 'Spiritual Toolbox' from this website, for more 'gifts from heaven'. - https://thesilverplatinumflame.wordpress.com/divine-mother-messages/ not really tools this one, but some nice messages that are channeled from the Divine Mother.

I love a statement I heard from Bashar a while back: "Life is inclusive. It's not this OR that, but this AND that." Every time you think an "or" statement, it's good to remember that.

From Conversations with God (book 2): The Five Levels of Truth-Telling: First, you tell the truth to yourself about yourself. Then you tell the truth to yourself about another. At the third level, you tell the truth about yourself to another. Then you tell your truth about another to that other. And finally, you tell the truth to everyone about everything.

Got you. I suppose all bodies are though nuts. most of us, keeping putting stuff in it that is absolutely not good for it, putting it under all sort of tensions like stress, etc. Maybe it will bravely keep going on for as long as it can, but then health issues might come up after some time. I once heard 'The Wonders' say -what is a channeled consciousness- that the body was designed to last for 10.444 years. Sounds nuts to most people probably though And lol yes, seems to me also that most health experts don't really have a clue either. In my opinion, a health expert would be an expert in listening to his/hers body, and not so much, or not at all, relying on scientific studies.

@electroBeam Alright, thank you. I was curious as to if you're lifestyle and way of being could be a (partial) cause for low sensitivity to such things. Sidenote: Sadhguru once mentioned that unions could make your system more insensitive It does seem like you're living a bit of a fast-paced and stressed life, which maybe is related to it? Well surely, you could start BEING more healthy, instead of trying to DO more of what you think is healthy here in there. Because it doesn't sound like you're being very sensitive to your own body, but driving it quite relentlessly to do your bidding. And now you notice your body isn't reacting sensitively to the chemicals, hmmm. I don't have much experience with these things myself, but it does seem like there could be a link there lol

What are your experiences with both these methods? When I did Sedona I think I felt it did less for me than Byron Katie. But that doesn't mean it would be the same for you. I'm also interested in mastering my own state, but I like to do it without techniques (from others). To me it feels good advice to do both as long as you feel it gives you good benefit, after a while you might feel you don't need to ask the questions anymore. Perhaps just go with whatever speaks the most to you at any moment

For my own curiosity, do you feel healthy, eat healthy, live healthy (not much stress, etc)?

Stretch, what is it that you want from life? Feeling love, joy, peace, transcendence, career, fame, beauty, profoundness, finding a lover.. what? And did you enjoy some of the practises you did? Also, was your business with the spiritual work a lot of mind stuff? A point on following your life purpose. For myself I find something that Bashar mentioned much more natural when talking about life purpose. See: https://bashar.org/handouts/TheFormula.pdf . This approach doesn't involve working on a purpose, but in short just doing what attracts you most in the moment. Apart from these questions, please consider the possibility that you've actually progressed a lot and now come into a struggle into your life, which could be seen as an important transformation point. I don't know if this is the case for you, but I suppose it's very common for people who transform into living from spirit/soul (or whatever word you like) will come into one or more points in their journey which involve a period of struggle. The way you interpreted your period of struggle makes a lot of difference in how you'll experience it. For example, relabeling depression as a natural process for turning inwards, as you've come to feel that the answers won't be found outside of you (not from Leo or other actualized.org people), will make you experience it with much more appreciation, instead of thinking you've ended up in a mess. Maybe your depression is a point of transformation for you, where you stop looking for answers and suggestions outside of you, and learn to live from inward out, instead from outward in. Throw away all you've ever heard, everyone's tips on how to live and what to do, throw away everything doesn't make you feel good (from actualized.org too), and start feeling what it is you want now

I've been reading the book 'Right use of will: healing and evolving the emotional body' for my second day now. The books is for a large part -according to the book- channeled from God, at least the understandings laid out in the book are. There was a while I thought Conversations with God might be the best (yes it's a very relative word) book series around, but this one is amazing as well. In my opinion, the understandings and dispelling of false beliefs laid out in the book are essential to have if one wants to evolve and life happily and easily. When I tried to search for the book I couldn't download it online, but could find it at the internetarchive. Here I could wait until it was my turn to read the book, I've done this, and now was able to download the book and so have it available if someone is interested. I'll paste some parts of the book here, so you might get inspired to read it: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To begin with, illness can be cleared by learning to listen to what the Body is trying to say to you when you are ill. Understanding this message gives the Body a most needed feeling of acceptance instead of the feeling that is you against your Body trying to defeat illness as though illness is some kind of sabotage by the Body. Illness is not sabotage; it is the Body's statement that it has been having to hold the imbalance of denied Will and needs release. If you can accept the message and regain the necessary balance, illness disappears and health prevails. A way to work with this is to allow your full consciousness to be with the illness by entering the distress rather than blocking it, ignoring it or masking the symptoms with medication. With your full consciousness present, you can ask your Body what the message is and receive an answer about how to restore balance. Then do what Body asks and see the results. If complete healing is not reached, ask again and do again what Body asks until healing is reached. This process will evolve your ability to listen to your Body. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All the habits and appetites that man has had and enjoyed, for the most part, have been judged against as harmful to Spiritual development. Lists of things to avoid have included alcohol, sugar, red meat, drugs, caffeine, marijuana, tobacco, sex and extremes of any kind. The understanding is needed that the problem is not the substances themselves but the habit patterns and the extremes often associated with these substances. The substances have been thought to be causal, but it is consciousness that is causal and nothing else. For example, eating meat, especially red meat, has long been thought to make men too dense to receive Spiritual illumination and yet it is not causal here. The desire to eat meat has accompanied the consciousness needing it. Nourishment must match the vibration of the consciousness taking it in. All habits drop away when the consciousness is released from the need for them. In not understanding what was causal here, many have tried to break out of habits, giving up meat for example, by using discipline and control. This approach only causes the patttern of habit to change its form. The reason for the habit pattern needs to be found, and then accepted and understood, not condemned and disciplined away. The Will is meant to guide you in this so that whatever is appropriate to any particular situation is what you feel like doing and also do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spiritual teaching should not be directing you to lift above and drop off the physical and emotional bodies and try to return to essence in the Godhead without them. This has been a massive spiritual misunderstanding on Earth. The reality is that this approach will not work because what is yours, is yours, and you cannot drop it off; the way is to evolve, and to evolve it you must accept it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

@Ham Sure, I'll pm it to you

@Visionary Okay cool, sounds good. And you got that by doing the recorded transmissions on his youtube channel? I just did one, felt quite loving so will try more. The woman you talked about I'll also check out. @LfcCharlie4 Yes the loc-assessment always felt like it could involve a lot of bias and such to me. So then one I think quite naturally also turns some of that doubt on their whole RASA too. I never felt much from their recorded RASA video's, the videos from the youtube channel 'The Enlightened Way' seem to do more for me, and also he has weekly live transmissions that could be joined for 10$ (or free), so I'll try that out. I appreciate your advice of using RASA over an extended period, but that seems a little too expensive for me lol

Okay thanks man. Could you share what it did for you and about how many times you did these transmissions?

They say so. You can look on youtube for 'Open Circle Ramaji' and find some recorded transmissions on there, skip to the part in the video where the transmission start (at the end somewhere). I tried it for some time but it didn't do much seemingly though

Hi Haumea, didn't see your reply on time. Well I was told I was at a 1000. But that happened when a rasa giver en me became friends and he wanted to talk with me for fun, for free. He then wanted to talk me through the (he didn't give RASA) levels, and each time I said I understood what he said (often times I already had the insight before he talked about, so it wasn't much new), he said my loc went up. Eventually, he said I was at 1000, and I surely was very suspicious as I felt he could just say that because the person wanted it to be so. He said he send my picture to Amanda and told me she had confirmed me at 1000.

I have never done shaktipat, but have done RASA. The people that give it do sometimes promote it as a fasttrack towards enlightenment, however I underwent RASA a couple of times and was said to reached the level of consciousness and I only needed to wait. I have waited now for almost 2 years but don't feel it had much effect. That doesn't mean it couldn't work very well for other people. Jed Mckenna said once something like 'of course, when the apples are ripe from the tree, you can shake it a little and the apples will fall, not much to it. However the fruits must be ripe first, so just do the work..'. Not sure if that analogy is accurate or not, but just sharing.

Just wanted to share this part of the book series 'Conversations with God' (book 3 specifically) in the light of all the mahasamadhi talk. Couldn't bear it to not post this. This contradicts the discussion or idea on this forum that Mahasamadhi is final and eternal: (Neal in dark red and that which is said to be God in blue) Am I clear that, once we reach this state of Oneness which many call Nirvana—once we return to the Source—we don't stay there? The reason I am asking this again is that this seems to run counter to my understanding of many Eastern esoteric and mystical teachings. To remain in the state of sublime no-thing, or Oneness with the All, would make it impossible to be there. As I've just explained, That Which Is cannot be, except in the space of That Which Is Not. Even the total bliss of Oneness cannot be experienced as "total bliss" unless something less than total bliss exists. So, something less than the total bliss of total Oneness had to be—and continually has to be—created. But when we are in total bliss, when we have merged once more with the Oneness, when we have become Every-thing/No-thing, how can we even know that we exist? Since there is nothing else that we are experiencing... I don't know. I don't seem to understand this. This is one I can't seem to get a handle on. You are describing what I call the Divine Dilemma. This is the same dilemma God has always had—and that God solved with the creation of that which was not God (or thought it was not). God gave—and gives again, in every instant—a part of Itself to the Lesser Experience of not knowing Itself, so that the Rest of Itself can know Itself as Who and What It Really Is. Thus, "God gave His only begotten son, that you might be saved." You see now from where this mythology has sprung. I think that we are all God—and that we are constantly, every one of us, journeying from Knowing to Not Knowing to Knowing again, from being to not being to being again, from Oneness to Separation to Oneness again, in a never-ending cycle. That this is the cycle of life—what You call the Cosmic Wheel. Exactly. Precisely. That is well said. But do we all have to go back to ground zero? Do we always have to start over, completely? Go back to the beginning? Return to square one? Do not pass "Go," do not collect $200? You do not have to do anything. Not in this lifetime, not in any other. You will have choice—always you will have free choice—to go anywhere you wish to go, do anything you wish to do, in your re-creation of the experience of God. You can move to any place on the Cosmic Wheel. You may "come back" as anything you wish, or in any other dimension, reality, solar system, or civilization you choose. Some of those who have reached the place of total union with the Divine have even chosen to "come back" as enlightened masters. And, yes, some were enlightened masters when they left, and then chose to "come back" as themselves. You must surely be aware of reports of gurus and masters who have returned to your world over and over again, manifesting in repeated appearances throughout the decades and centuries. You have one entire religion based on such a report. It is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and it is based on the report of Joseph Smith that the Being calling himself Jesus returned to Earth many centuries after his apparently "final" departure, this time appearing in the United States. So you may return to any point on the Cosmic Wheel to which it pleases you to return. Still, even that could be depressing. Don't we ever get to rest? Don't we ever get to stay in nirvana, to remain there? Are we doomed forever to this "coming and going"—this "now you see it, now you don't" treadmill? Are we on an eternal journey to nowhere? Yes. That's the greatest truth. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, and no one you have to "be" except exactly who you're being right now. The truth is that there is no journey. You are right now what you are attempting to be. You are right now where you are attempting to go. It is the master who knows this, and thus ends the struggle. And then does the master seek to assist you in ending your struggle, even as you will seek to end the struggle of others when you reach mastery. Yet this process—this Cosmic Wheel—is not a depressing treadmill. It is a glorious and continual reaffirmation of the utter magnificence of God, and all life—and there is nothing depressing about that at all.

@Salvijus Interesting how that works! Yes I do Shambhavi Mahamudra, for about 4/5 months now. I was thinking of doing other practices of isha center but am already doing multiple other things atm. I'm going to pm you about a question I have with the Shambhavi

I've been using https://www.ascensionlibrary.org/ for a while and seems like it could make some people very happy so thought I would share. The work comes from Judy Satori who channels and transmits (from Spirit/God often), which can be listened to on the site as audio files, so you just have to listen to 'weird' noises and receive the energy. There are numerous programs as well, and it all seems quite powerful. You can create a free explore membership with this link https://www.ascensionlibrary.org/offers/ewV8xFFc and you'll get access to some free things. I've been thinking if I should mention this, but, I'll leave it up to you what you do with it: if you want a program but feel too low on money, you can pm me and I might share a download link with you. Please consider paying for a membership if you can afford it for at least a month or so.

@LfcCharlie4 yes got you. In a conscious world, I think people create something because that's what they love, that's who they are, which is a different orientation than looking at what others want. I heard Bashar say (not sure if you know him), that if you're passionate about creating/sharing something, there will be others who want to receive it, always, as that is how life works. Life doesn't create a longing to share, without something that wants to receive it. But of course, we're not quite living in such a conscious world and not many people would be willing to try this approach, and that marketeer quote could be a big step up for how business is run today.

I'm still considering to go to the Isha Center for half a year, sounds like a good opportunity for transformation. Maybe in a couple months time.. How has your experience been with Shambhavi @Salvijus?

@Rikimaus Thanks, I added it in. I get why you would say it's good non-duality for beginners, because the language is easy and some of the basics are covered. However there is a lot of beauty, love, wisdom and clarity wrapped around these topics, which makes it hard to call it basic imo Okay cool, good to know you're not assuming you'll be able to be in the Total Unity forever Ah perhaps we've had infinite loops through the Cosmic Wheel/Giant Circle already, in a time sense.

Honestly I don't think that last line is good life advice at all. Doesn't sound to have much to do with living from the heart or with your own internal guidance

Beautiful:) How you got there, psychedelics, or?

@Meta-Man I'm not a big fan of Jed's style and perspective anymore, but thank you for the gesture Oh yes what a crazy things we can do. For me it was quite scary to know that you're capable of much more then you would have thought if shit hits the fan. @Serotoninluv Oh lol, nice story. yes crazy how easily this distinction between real and imaginary get's blurred and mixed up while tripping. In another trip I was walking with a blanket and when I looked down and saw the blanket I thought I just became the pope. In my mind I saw hundreds of thousands of people were on the move to see me, and I became absolutely panicked because I didn't know what to do, or say to them. These experiences can feel more much real than normal experiences, and found it quite helpful to just write a note for myself for when I would be tripping, to drop any belief or thought I held no matter how important it felt. The challenge is putting that note in a place you'll see it and read it “They don’t know you are tripping unless you let them know”. That's a golden nugget for sure if you manage to think of that while tripping It seems better to me to not do anything while you're planning to trip, that way you're prepared for if the trip will come on and you'll know what will happen and can use the experience. If the trip slips in while doing some activities you're much more prone to get delusional