Emotionalmosquito

Omfg this is way too real! God help us 😭 What about when a few of them complain to the bouncers/staff about that weird guy trying to hit on all the girls then suddenly you’re banned and your bridge is burned? Or is that just a me problem? Idk why but my very existence alone seems to put people, especially girls on high alert

Very true. Obviously if you’re a six foot four, ripped hot guy the ladies will be receptive to almost anything you say. Tragically, I’m only a measly five’ nine and I can’t do anything about my facial structure. I don’t know why Leo and 90 percent of the PUA community don’t talk more about the importance of looks, its massively important. They say personality and “vibe” is most of what attraction is, and looks are just a bonus. I’d say it’s the exact opposite or at the very least 50/50 when all you’re going for is pump and dumps with lots of women. That’s fair. Though I will say if that’s the case it’s quite odd that guys who’re very douchey and even straight up disrespectful towards women still manage to pull. I guess that’s why tons and tons of practice is necessary? So you can learn exactly HOW to do it. Charisma on Command says that telling embarrassing stories and good story telling is a great way to be magnetic. Instead it seems to be more of a crowd dispersal tactic. If it goes poorly literally every single time without exception then yeah, that would mean the problem is only me and would require a fundamental personality change. But what does that mean for the few instances where they actually do respond well?

While I agree this is supposed to be the way it works, it sure is hard to find any truly receptive girls. Overwhelming majority of the time, women don’t want much of what I have to give, they just aren’t having it. They don’t wanna hear it, don’t wanna entertain it, don’t wanna deal with it. Or at best they’ll pretend to be interested out of politeness for some time then eventually walk away (sometimes trying to hold back their laughter triggered by the absolutely pathetic display they just witnessed). I feel like I provide tons of value without leeching. I’ll tell her funny stories or embarrassing moments from my past or philosophical stuff, sometimes I’ll even do some silly movements but nothing too over the top. Basically things to facilitate a fun and open interaction. Seems it’s never good enough. It’s the same throughout all the different mediums of communication; you can send a girl an insightful and well thought out text that’s rich in value and it’s almost guaranteed you’ll hear nothing back from her ever. Again, it’s not like I’m coming at them with the energy of “Since I just gave you x and y, I expect you to give me z”

The only time that “what you want shows up when you stop focusing on it” thing works is in my dreams. Usually in the past when I’ve been able to lessen my desire for women, they show up in swarms in my dreams at night along with the kinds of related activities I need. But never in waking reality. Dunno what’s going on there. Furthermore, what’s even the point of getting your desire if you no longer want it? If law of attraction dictates that you have to get to a space where you already feel as though you have your desire, at that point you’re already fulfilled in that way so what’s even the point of having it anymore? The whole point of having a desire is being super elated and ecstatic when you finally get it. It defeats the entire purpose of getting your desire if you just make yourself feel like you already have it manifested before its manifested. It would be like if you really wanted a coat because you were cold, but instead of getting the coat like you wanted, someone showed you a technique to produce more body heat so you no longer need it. THEN the coat shows up. It’s asinine.

TL;DR: Just watch the video and tell me what you think. The video is about why more men are starting to avoid women and part of it is a story about a guy that gets charged for sexual harassment for saving a girl’s life via mouth to mouth cpr. She says she would’ve rather had “someone else” do it. Not her boyfriend or one of her friends or a family member but “someone else”. That tells me she was pissed off that it wasn’t another woman or a more attractive man that saved her instead. Otherwise wouldn’t she have been more specific than just “someone else”? The article says he was also playing with her tits. Not saying it is, but that sounds like something a girl like her would make up just to make her case stronger, and certainly no one would dare doubt her if so. Do you think she would just drop the charges if it was somehow proven that he merely accidentally touched them in the process of performing the cpr or if he hadn’t done it at all? Hell no she wouldn’t. If women can get us in serious trouble this easily and for just acting out of genuine concern imagine what else they can do. If a guy tried to pull this crap on a girl the case would instantly be laughed out of the court room and we wouldn’t even be hearing about it. This toxic female behavior virus is spreading at an alarming rate and I’m genuinely getting scared. The rest of the videos are mainly just examples of men refusing to help women in need out of fear of having their reputation ruined by being framed as a creep, which as we can see is a perfectly rational fear. If a guy interacts with the wrong girl — of which there are WAY too many and there’s no way to tell just by looking at them — he very well might lose his job if his boss sees, get ridiculed all over social media or at the very least be banned from his gym that he may have been going to for a long time. If you think I’m blowing this out of proportion, just know that there was literally a BLIND guy, that’s right, a blind guy got reprimanded by the staff at his gym because some stuck up brat felt as though he was staring at her, even after he proved to them he was blind. Yes, it’s that bad. Keep in mind men are going through these issues for often nothing more than glancing in women’s direction, so you can pretty much forget about the future of pickup and game if things are headed in this direction. These chicks will wear tight clothing that reveal all their bodily cracks and curves then record and watch men like a hawk in the hopes of catching one stealing a glance. This is done despite having numerous female only gyms in every decent sized city. What’s really funny is if men tried to start their own male only gym, imagine the societal backlash that would ensue. It’s like they can’t be happy either way. Of course the biggest irony in all this is the fact that they’re accusing us of creepy behavior when they’re the ones literally recording and putting us on their social media pages without our consent. This could be a big part of the answer to the opening question of my last thread asking why some guys mistreat the ladies once they get smooth enough to pull consistently. There is truly an all out war being waged on men and masculinity and it’s been going on for many years now. This post only describes one aspect of it. I didn’t even get into: Women tend to receive significantly lighter punishments for the same crimes underaged boys can be forced to pay child support to the women of whom they’re groomed. men get treated egregiously unfairly in the family court system and in divorces it’s much more acceptable to bash men than women in mainstream entertainment Male victims of domestic violence aren’t taken as seriously There are plenty more where those came from and each of those topics on their own are deep enough to be their own thread. With all this in mind, is it any wonder why things like MGTOW, MRA and redpill/blackpill philosophies have been developed? This normalized anti-male sexism is a massive and deeply worrying problem and I have no idea what our next steps forward as a species are going to look like.

If that were true, I’d be living like Hugh Hefner or Dan Bilzarian by now. I focus on women, a lot. That’s what I do. I’ve become psychotically obsessed with them. There are no words in any human language that can come close to describing how badly I need to get my fucking hands on one. So why no army of girls despite focusing so hard? I want to believe that, and I’m sure it is very true objectively, but it doesn’t seem that way. The simple fact that we have to go through so much painstakingly brutal work just learn how to speak and interact with them properly really makes it seem like they’re just inherently very weird creatures. Every guy that ended up getting divorce raped or sperm jacked for child support money or falsely accused or abused or whatever thought he had a good girl at first. Girls can be so freakishly good at acting and lying that sometimes you can’t even tell the difference between a sweetheart and a demon. Scary stuff. Do you think any of the guys who’ve been dragged to hell and back knew they were dealing with a demon ahead of time?

I’m currently in the worst condition of my life in every single way. My desire to have an unlimited supply of pussy is so vast I could spend my next hundred lifetimes doing nothing but being a playboy till my final breath. For that to happen, priority number one is obviously relocating to a target rich environment like Vegas, Miami, Dallas, Boston, Denver etc. But I have no skills or money, very low energy and drive, horrendous work ethic, a defeatist mindset thoroughly infected by incel ideology and numerous addictions holding me back just to name a few. Leo told me to look up jobs I could do in whatever location I choose, but how will I make enough money with no skills unless I work multiple jobs leaving me short on time, even higher in stress than I already am and making it difficult to get out of “work mode” when I’m actually out there on the infield doing game? He also told me to not tell myself i can’t, which I’ve been trying not to but all the evidence suggests it’s going to be absolutely impossible to get anywhere close. To be fair, my city could be much worse. It’s the biggest one within a two hour drive. So I could just start practicing here, (which I was doing there for a while) but if I have to do a thousand approaches before I start getting the hang of it, eventually I’m bound to run out of options and attract a negative stigma of that creepy guy trying to hit on all the girls. It blows my mind that people somehow magically pull hot girlfriends out of thin air in cities even smaller than mine. I’m at a total loss and don’t know how to move forward. If people with experience can point me in the right direction I’ll do my best not to shut you down with more excuses for why it won’t work. I need answers. I need good ones and fast.

AHHHHAHAHAHAHAH! LOLOLOLOLOLOLMFAO 🤣🤣🤣 That is THE BIGGEST contradiction to everything I’ve ever experienced with doing game. Do you know how many times I’ve said the wrong thing to a girl and she got uncomfortable and it killed the interaction? Shall I give examples? I’m sorry but I just absolutely cannot with you guys that genuinely believe this is good advice. Sure, for you more experienced folks that might be true, because you already naturally know how to say all the right things without having to think about it. Maybe nothing ever pops into your head that would be detrimental to say out loud. If it’s really true that what you say doesn’t matter because it’s all about how you say it, then on my next approach I’m going to say I want her to kick me in the balls and menstruate up my nostrils while I’m down and if she doesn’t comply then have fun tied up and gagged in the trunk of my car, but I’ll say it in a flirty, upbeat tone of voice. Good idea or bad idea? Some of us have devilish little urges to say things like that and even worse, but do we actually say them? No. Because we aren’t stupid enough to think they wouldn’t cause us massive issues if we did (because we have filters) Now I’m sure an absolute legend of game could pull that off, but keep in mind there are total noobs on this forum that are going to see that and think it’s actually a good idea to just mindlessly spill every single thought that comes to mind. Idk man. Maybe I’m just paranoid but I really do think it’s important to choose your words very carefully when doing pickup, and in many other areas of life for that matter.

I already know how to present myself as health conscious because I spent a good six years or so being full on health nut. So all that leaves is being ripped. If the main thing they’re interested in is muscles then they’re obviously also going to be looking for height. So I’ll have tons of guys significantly taller and stronger to compete with even if I reach my peak once again, not sure how that’s supposed to work. I don’t even recall ever seeing a super hot girl with a guy any shorter than six foot. I’m not saying it’s everything but height is definitely a massive factor. Yeah but that was close to a decade now. I’ve completely forgotten practically everything I learned and my certification is probably expired by now

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Not if I wanna be allowed to keep going to that gym, lol That’s when you get hit with the “I actually have a boyfriend, I’m sorry. But I’m sure you’ll find someone.” (I’m sure they really do 7 times out of ten) I’ve tried stuff like that many times already. Problem is it needs to be more than many, it needs to be thousands of tries so I can pinpoint exactly what I’m doing wrong and learn how to perfect the craft. That’s why getting somewhere where there’s a lot more people is so imperative. Yogi chicks are usually a little more respectful and kind than gym girls. So my attitude towards your yoga class suggestion is slightly more optimistic than your gym idea. And because I used to specialize in yoga and even earned a yoga instructor certification. That was ages ago tho.

Overwatch 2 Rec Room Sky: Children of the Light (in that order) Sky is the most heartwarming, spiritual game ever developed. I should play more of it but I don’t really understand how to play it very well and it’s a bit boring compared to the more high energy high intensity games like OW

@mr_engineer It wasn’t bringing any real value to my life and wasn’t getting me a gf so I gave up the grind and started pursuing instant gratification instead. That’s why. I’ve dug my hole so deep that climbing back out is going to be the single most challenging endeavor I’ve ever faced twenty fold.

@mr_engineer Forgot to answer your question. I’m only 127 lbs now and I get tired and winded very easily and am in terrible shape.

@mr_engineer I would like to get back in shape. I was 150 pounds of muscle at 5’10 a year and a half ago. Not that impressive but it was the best shape of my life and I was much more confident because of it and other things I was doing right. Even then it still didn’t seem to help much with the fairer sex. One obstacle is it takes extra money I don’t have to buy the massive amount of food I have to eat to build a decent body. Plus it’s extremely inconvenient and feels physically torturous to shovel that much food down the gullet. It really kills your motivation to get back on the right track when even when you were it still wasn’t enough to achieve your biggest desire.

@mr_engineer you know I’ve heard you say that elsewhere and that really sucks if true and I bet it is. People pleaser girls are likely the easiest but the potential risk is way too dangerous. Maybe you could mitigate the danger by making it very clear with her that you do not want to make any advances unless she’s absolutely certain she’s comfortable with it? And pay very close attention to her face and body language while escalating and immediately back off if you sense even the slightest hesitation or discomfort on her? I think that should be common sense with any girl but especially on people pleasers for the reasons you’ve stated.

Good fucking god man. If I had that many women to practice on I would’ve never ended up in this hellscape. It’s like Leo repeatedly says, it’s absolutely critical to be in a bigger city if you want to learn game. How can people like us acquire enough money for that with zero skills? Moving out on your own for the first time to a much more expensive area is a monumental endeavor all on its own. So that stacks on top of everything else we would have to work through. They say the most realistic way to self improve is to take small but consistent steps in the right direction. How the hell is that going to work if we’re straight jacketed by an entire network of colossal challenges we’ll have to somehow break out of before any real results are seen? Especially considering the only tools by which we might break out of said challenges are a mind and spirit utterly broken by years of self destructive behavior? At what point do we have to admit that the battle is just simply far too difficult for one person to ever hope to triumph? I know I know. More counterproductive complaining. You’ll have to give me a break if I’m ever to come out of this misery. It won’t be easy to start thinking positively when victim mentality and bitterness is pretty much all I know anymore. Do you have any clue how badly false accusations fuck people up? We’re talking thousands and thousands of dollars of court costs and YEARS of legal bullshit plus a permanently damaged reputation and zero sympathy or support from the public. This will throw corrosive acid all over an already enfeebled will to live. Wouldn’t it be nice if the process could feel fun and freeing instead of like a game of Russian roulette? That’s why I fear women. I know not all of them will do that. But if I’m stranded in a wilderness rich in berries and I don’t have a wild edibles guide book, I’d be wise to not eat any since I can’t tell which are which. Maybe actualized forum can be the guide book? I’ve had enough for quite sometime. It did the opposite in case it wasn’t obvious. The unrelenting defeats have stripped every last shred of motivation to improve I once had and driven me to all kinds of addictions like nicotine, kratom, porn, laziness, overwatch and negative thinking. I’ve lost damn near twenty five pounds of muscle and 99 percent of my drive to do anything productive over the last couple years. It doesn’t help anything having a sub average iq and being a slow learner and mildly autistic to make matters even worse. So that’s where I’m at. All I can do from here is use what minuscule amount of drive I may have left to try to get back on the horse. It will be a full blown miracle if any momentum is gained. I don’t by any stretch of the imagination see how I’ll ever be able to move to a bigger city from this crippled position, so if it’s at all possible to get a just a few solid girlfriend experiences within my town of about 50-70k, that’s what I need. I’ll work on that.

Finally you’re talking my language

So you broke up with her because you felt guilty about miscalculating your finances which caused you to have to cancel the trip y’all had been planning and because the destructive behavior of her friends was negatively affecting you as well as possibly interfering with your ability to forecast your money for the vacation properly? Doesn’t sound terribly unreasonable aside from maybe being a little too hard on yourself for making a mistake. But then again I have zero relationship experience whatsoever so wtf do I know?

Also, just a couple days ago I was talking to a girl on this online chat room game. I asked her about her race to which she said Hispanic + Asian mix. So I was like that’s funny, I didn’t know Hispanics and Asians had sex with each other, never heard of that combo before. She flat out ran away from me the moment I said that People are so squeamish

You know what, bro. I love this thread. It’s something I’ve been saying for years. Only I have a variation of the same thought. Sex is one of if not the most normal, joyful and basic things ever invented. People are so needlessly weirded out by the idea and the mention of it it’s incredibly annoying. It’s literally the reason why every single human and biological organism for that matter is alive and here. Yet women are slut shamed for it, men are called creeps and pervs for trying to get it, it’s censored and taboo in most cultures and so much more. Just think about how couples are so proud of showing off their new baby to the world then if the very act which created it gets brought up, suddenly the atmosphere becomes awkward and people start blushing. It’s absolutely absurd Funny you pointed that out because my dad just recently started admitting to me that if the dating scene was as messed up as it is now days when he was a strapping young lad, I would’ve never been born. 63 percent of young men today are single and sexless, that should tell you something. It was a wildly different time back then. People were more laid back and natural, unlike the internet and social media induced robotic thinking and behavior of people today. It only seems to be getting worse with each passing year.

(Answer the question at the bottom for anyone not willing to read the whole thing) @universe I will read the thread, don’t worry. I can sense that this thread is soon to be locked, but before that happens please hear me out. I’m sure to you more spiritually and socially advanced folks I seem to be doing a lot of projecting and reacting egotistically, and to some extent I probably am. Try to see things from the perspective of those of us affected by these issues. For example, (and I have numerous examples) just yesterday I was at a town gathering where I saw two girls that were perfect for cold approaching. They escaped me because I waited too long trying to psyche myself up to do the approach. See, the anxiety itself is not the problem, it’s the fact the anxiety cripples your cognitive functions to the point where it becomes impossible to convey your thoughts clearly or even speak normally, and that’s even after doing warmup approaches. The source of that anxiety is not fear of rejection. Who cares if she says no. It’s the imminent danger of being secretly filmed and defamed all over social media causing tons of other girls to hate me as well (there’s a huge trend where girls are doing this to guys at the gym for simply glancing in their direction) that’s not projecting or fear mongering, that’s objectively what is happening. If the girls decide they dislike you or feel uncomfortable with something you said or even just your “vibe” they can point you out to the cops claiming harassment and suddenly you’re in cuffs possibly being filmed and laughed at during the arrest. Ending up like that for simply trying to get a girlfriend would rocket propel almost anyone into levels of sheer psychological torment far exceeding what the human mind is built to withstand. This very well can and does happen and they don’t even need proof of you doing something genuinely wrong. Then you’ve got risks such as being maced, threatened or worse by her bf or random white knight(s), being bullied by her and friends, getting banned from whatever venue for reasons basically amounting to lacking social skills... anything can happen. These issues are further reinforced by all the other areas in life I’ve mentioned in which women are more advantaged than us, and by the fact that the male suicide rate is significantly higher. I realize this is a place of self improvement and I know it sounds like all I’m doing is complaining. Part of what I’m doing is venting, which the forum guidelines lists as acceptable. Though I’m also seriously trying to get this galaxy sized obstacle overcome. It has caused me deeper despair and hopelessness than I ever thought possible. I’m 100% certain the feeling is somewhere close to a mother who recently lost her children. The ONLY thing I want anymore I can’t have no matter how much effort I put in. I’ve reached the beginning stages of completely and absolutely losing my fucking mind. There’s no point in being alive anymore. All over being denied the ecstasy of having a decent partner to cuddle up on the couch and watch retarded Netflix shows with like other people have. Before this gets too much longer I’ll close on one final question I want answered if nothing else. How come when men bring up societal misandry it’s somehow considered projecting or egotism and we’re told to man up and get better or the thread just gets locked but when women talk about misogyny it’s taken a lot more seriously than that? Are men’s issues (which are literally driving people to suicide) not valid enough to be seriously discussed in depth? That in itself is a sort of meta sexism ironically enough.

In one of the vids from the how to get laid series I remember him saying something about how some of the guys who master the game start treating the girls they pull terribly I guess as payback for making them go through so much pain and hardship along the journey to mastery? For all the shit testing and ridiculous mind games they put them through? I’m interested in knowing more about such guys. Why do they do it? And what exactly are they doing to the girls? Emotionally abusing them? Breaking hearts and pitting them against each other for laughs? Revenge porn? I can’t imagine being able to hate women so much after gaining the ability to receive tons of love and affection from the most beautiful or even just cute ones. But I could be wrong. Is mind blowing sex and intimacy not powerful enough to purge grudges?

@Princess Arabia No. Simps are notoriously the ones NOT getting laid. A simp is a guy that worships women as goddesses despite their behavior. They commonly spend tons of money on girls they’ll never meet just to get internet good boy points or mentions in their posts. Simps are guys that will watch a guy getting his ass beat by a girl then dog pile him or just verbally shame tf outta him once he does the tiniest thing to defend himself from her. Basically just guys that regard women as some higher entity in constant need of their aid.

I would say go on grindr and put “looking for more than just hookups” or something of the like in ur bio. But idk know much about Grindr so that might not be the nature of the community but could be worth a try, who knows