Emotionalmosquito

On an unrelated note, it frustrates me that I always have to make such lengthy replies. There’s just too much to say to fit it all into single paragraphs. Must make it tiresome for those trying to assist me.

@Consept Yes, very much so. Then the question becomes, what makes a winner in their eyes? The reason I say that is because you’re a lot better off learning the techniques of pickup inside and out rather than relying on simply being “authentically yourself” to pull. That’s called blind firing. Occasionally you’ll hit a target but usually not. Being yourself has to fit somewhere into that I realize, but its rarely good enough unless you have the method down first, if that makes sense. If I truly didn’t give a single shit and always acted a hundred percent my unfiltered self, I would already be banned from every single pickup hotspot within a hundred mile radius. Key word here is attractive. Spontaneity works well as long as it’s attractive. It has the opposite result if it’s unattractive, it even gets people kicked out of places for scaring the girls. That's what inner game is. It’s the ability to quickly determine whether or not the next thing that your spontaneity is about to make you say or do is going to have a positive or negative effect on the girl, and adjusting accordingly. It’s that and the ability to intuit the right things to say and do in general with good timing. That’s why it’s so impossibly difficult to improve at. Surely you don’t think just mindlessly blurting our every single thing that enters your noggin is a good idea? Then why not first ask specific questions that will help you determine what kind of girl she is while not showing much of your own personality and then build based on her answers? (This would be easier on a dumb girl because a smartie would see right through what you’re doing.) Should be easy enough if you’re the type of guy who can vibe with lots of different personality types. We can’t afford to be limited to only certain “types” of girls when there already isn’t nearly enough of them in the first place. That’s an reasonable way of looking at it. Though it’s a darn shame women are infinitely more complex than basketball and mistakes with them carry much heavier penalties

Firstly, I’m morbidly curious to know how often this type of thing actually happens. If anyone has seen this happen, heard of it happening, heard a girl give threats of such a thing, heard a girl say she wants to, heard a girl mention doing it or god forbid has experienced it, you shall tell me all about it in detail! I wanna hear everything you know. Bumping because I still really wanna know if anyone has come across anything of this nature. Surely someone has something to share Exactly! This makes perfect sense because for example, if you want a girl sit on your face (an inherently submissive desire) you can be dominant in your very demand of making it happen! Perhaps the finest example of paradox in this domain is the phenomenon of there being a fairly sizable community of guys who get off on having their nuts cracked. It seemingly makes zero sense at all how anyone could desire to have the very thing that causes the desire to reproduce to be put in jeopardy in the most painful way. It defies all logic, yet it is so. When I was in 7th grade I was having P.E. with one of the super hot athletic 8th grade girls. They mixed the two grades in pe but kept the genders separated but with everyone in the same pe room. I thought it would be funny to run over to the girl’s side to steal their ball and run around with it. Frustrated by my trolling, she cried out, “Give it back or I’ll kick you in the balls!” knowing that was likely the best thing she could say to make me comply. That pissed me off immensely at the time. I didn’t want to immediately fold so I yelled back “NO!” But I equally didn’t want to risk her actually going through with it. This was the time when puberty was in high gear, so if she did, it would’ve ended life as I know it. So I ran around menacingly with the ball for a few more moments before throwing it back to them and running back to my side. Catastrophe prevented. There were also a few other threats of this kind directed at me and others by girls, but none this impactful. A few years later during my sophomore year of high school, I was in class with by far the hottest teacher in the school. The topic came around to gun ownership. One of the boys said something like “You need to have guns because what if somebody breaks into your house” She replied “If somebody broke into my house, the first thing I would do is knee em in the balls!” while going through the motion to demonstrate. Then she was like “So if any of you males try breaking into my house...” The whole time I was looking straight down at my paper hoping with all my heart that the topic would change quickly because I was beet red and absolutely stunned that that just happened. I’d be lying if I said these experiences haven’t infected me with a burning curiosity to find out what it would be like if such a misfortune were to befall me. Besides the obvious pain pain PAIN beyond all description, maybe I would find out why some guys like it so much, maybe not.

@Majed Or what if it’s the opposite problem? What if I already love women far too much for my own good? Maybe I have such a vast undying love for them it hurts unbearably bad to go out and see firsthand how they actually are and the extent to which that love is not reciprocated

You’re right, that is a dumb way to get a girl because it doesn’t work. Only works assuming the person you are is already likable and knows how to game perfectly. If you aren’t likable then you have to change yourself, not be yourself. You have to be calculated and precise about every little thing you do if you want women, very little room for error. All women are attracted by power. You’d be hard pressed to find one who genuinely isn’t. It’s not so much intelligence helps you get those women because they’re attracted to the intelligence itself, it’s more like being intelligent makes it easier to learn and adapt to female nature so that you can get with them. It also makes it easier to memorize and apply all the pickup techniques better and more efficiently than if you weren’t smart. @Princess Arabia I’m not sure what you meant by that. Were you making a comparison to how men describe their journey of trying to get girlfriends? Well maybe that’s exactly why I think dumb girls are easier; because I myself am slightly below average intelligence. Even so, as a smart guy don’t you think it would be easy to see where a girl is at intellect wise after talking for a minute and meet her at that level?

It partially depends on that, not entirely. It also depends on other factors like the mood she’s in, what type of person she is, whether or not she’s menstruating, those are the main ones I think. So it’s irrational to just automatically take full blame when a girl acts like a drama queen about being approached. That’s fine. But they’re not entitled to irrationally freak out over being approached by guys they perceive as less than the perfect chad. I mean these women got you kicked out of one of your big pickup hotspots over nothing more than not liking you or being offended that you thought you were good enough to talk to them. That’s more entitlement than anything else. You should be furious out of your mind over this. I mean, I’m sure you’re not actually being creepy, right? So what’s their fucking issue?

Another thing that’s come up lately: People are saying in bars and night clubs you can more easily get away with making social mistakes because the people there are in a less rigid state. No you absolutely cannot and no they are not! HELLO?! I seriously don’t think I live in the same universe as you guys if you genuinely believe that. People act like they have just as big a stick shoved up their ass in night life venues as anywhere else or in any other context. How can my experience of the same thing be this radically different from everyone else’s??

Like I hate being told that how you say something is more important that what is said, that the vibe is more important than the content. I can’t even tell you the amount of times I’ve experienced exactly the contrary. For example I love the menstrual process, I find it more than just fascinating to talk about and think about so obviously I’m going to have good energy and passion in my voice while I’m talking about what I like. Do you know how many women are absolutely disgusted when I just casually bring it up in conversation? Well over half at least. What’s even more odd about this is you would think the average girl would be thrilled about a guy who’s not afraid to talk openly and respectfully about what most guys find repulsive. Now how could this be if the vibe outweighs the content? I also have plenty more examples than this. Another piece of advice that’s commonly given is to always be authentic. If one more person tells me to “be myself” I am going to lose it. This DOES NOT work for everybody. Is it so hard to accept that some people really do need to fundamentally modify the “self” they present if they ever want to get a girlfriend? Because that’s definitely the case with me. All I ever do is be myself yet it barely ever works out and often causes me big trouble. When I point this out they’re like “yeah well you always wanna be yourself but you have to do it in very particular ways and within certain guidelines for it to work.” Hmm that’s funny. If you have to filter yourself through all these arbitrary conditions and caveats then that’s not really being your full and true self now is it? I just watched a video where Julien Blanc said we need to purposely embarrass ourselves more often because if you aren’t willing to embarrass yourself that means you’re playing it too safe. GFYS! Seriously go fuck yourself buddy. You have no inkling of a clue what my experience is like. I’ve embarrassed myself countless times both intentionally and unintentionally so where the hell is all my pussy? Why are we being given this misinformation when clearly what works much better than being totally real with people is being some curated and dumbed down version of yourself. A guy who knows how women are and what they respond to will always outperform a guy who talks about whatever he’s interested in talking about. Because he knows the right things to SAY and when to say them instead of just thoughtlessly blurting out whatever comes to mind. How do you reconcile this?

How the actual fuck can that be? LOL If you can’t even get anyone attracted to you then where the hell is the HIGH QUALITY partner supposed to come from? Does she get teleported directly in front of you from the planet Kepler 186f?

So this sounds like more of a confidence issue than an unemployment issue. If I can’t help but give off low status vibes (because I feel guilty about not working?) with some confidence hacks and a little charisma boost and I should be A okay. Unless it has more to do with the not having money part. I would argue that a dickhead boss or a bully coworker or two would poison my vibes exponentially more than just not having a job. To be fair I’m not saying a job wouldn’t help at all, it probably would. But if there’s any conceivable way I could possibly get good at girls without one, that’s my goal. I know they technically are human, with their own minds and feelings and desires and such. It all too often doesn’t seem like they are though. I think you either feel the same or know lots of guys feel that way. Otherwise you wouldn’t have stated the fact that they’re human beings. The way they are upon being approached by guys they don’t know can really be disappointing. For example, and I have plenty of my own examples, I just watched a tiktok about a girl telling how her boyfriend before he met her, did cold approach. (how he met her) Most of the girls he would open would either look at him with a blank face and walk away or give him terrible resting bitch face and cold, one worded answers to his conversation starters. Her boyfriend’s explanation of how difficult it is for men to talk to women because of their guarded, unwelcoming demeanor blew her mind. I’ve done a sizable chunk of socializing and cold approach. Never got that part. So I guess all I can do is more grinding to hopefully get some better results. To anyone reading this: Go read the two pink images I uploaded in this thread. It’s a lengthy report but well worth the time.

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It’s not fear mongering, it’s literally what’s happening. If you tell someone not to swim in the river because there are alligators in it, you’re not fear mongering, you’re telling them that because it’s a fact and a very important one to know. I’ve experienced it and countless others have too and are yet to. Stories like OP’s and the images I posted are evidence that we’re entering the beginning stages of inexperienced men seeking women being oppressed and widely regarded as second class citizens. Good luck with that when talking to women has become more like walking a minefield than anything resembling fun @something_else So let’s say I have a job that contributes a decent amount to society and the pay is reasonable. I spam approach at a mall. In another instance, I spam approach at a mall with no job or money. Is one really going to make me that much more successful than the other if I’m still the exact same guy? Maybe it would but I find that hard accept. Could it be that the women are tricking themselves into thinking “We just happened to run into eachother”? Any girl above room temperature iq knows deep down that guys don’t just get girlfriends by accident, that’s not even how our biology operates. Everyone knows that when a guy sees a girl he likes, he thinks to himself how much he’d like to slam her clam, intentionally goes out of his way to put the move on her, and it either works or it doesn’t. That “just happened by chance” idea is some Disney love story crap

He clearly has no idea wtf he’s doing if he thinks teaching us this way is helping many of us. He’s like self proclaimed therapist who got his certification from watching one single YouTube video and now thinks exposure therapy is the magic cure for inceldom. Nahh guys it’s far more sinister than that. What kind of a sick bastard of a god would get off on tormenting us with the very thing we want more than anything while telling us we aren’t trying hard enough or we must not want it bad enough? He might as well start taunting starving kids with delicious, nutrient packed burritos then making us watch from behind bars as he feeds it to the people we hate instead of us who NEED it the most! That’s messed up Whatever universe you’re in, tell me how u got there. People always say girls show interest when you ignore them, that and “be yourself” are the stupidest things I’ve ever heard in my life. -Walk into town -See girl -Ignore her Now what? Who is telling people the next thing that happens is she comes over to you like “Wow, you really ignored me so well! I’m impressed! Here’s my number.” Sounds like a tale straight out of lala land. This trying to have sex thing has pushed me all the way into my Professor Chaos arc.

We are rapidly approaching a dystopian hellscape where any guy who isn’t already perfectly socially attuned is gonna end up like the guy in the pictures. It’s a long read but well worth it. I hope it’s in high enough resolution. The women already have very little patience or compassion for awkward betas because “Hey, that creep could be trying to kill or rape me for all I know! Get him out of my sight!” Then they get with a more masculine bad boy type and act all surprised and devastated when he turns out to be the one to severely abuse or rape her. So much for trying to keep themselves safe from creeps. They socially ostracize and shame to no end the non threatening, merely uncalibrated or inexperienced guys under the facade of them trying to avoid danger only to end up in great danger by the very same behavior they claimed they were trying to avoid. They aren’t trying to avoid danger, they’re trying to avoid feeling turned off by beta energy. But it’s not as socially accepted to start a huge fuss over someone being unattractive so instead they frame it as defending against potential predatory behavior. That way they can stay true to their natural instinct of being nasty and horrible to men they deem unfit for relationships and reproduction. Point being, if girls and society at large is already this shitty towards inexperienced men, we’ll be seeing many many more of these kinds of stories before ultimately pickup gets outlawed.

Exactly right. That’s why it’s not always a good idea to go with your gut instinct because even that can be wrong and even manipulated against you. That’s what I’ve been saying. Then those women use that ick feeling that you’re giving them by just being uncalibrated to shame and get u in trouble with no consideration at all for your side. I’m pretty sure creep shaming is just a very convenient benefit of female privilege by which they abuse in a socially acceptable way guys they simply don’t like, very little to do with actually feeling threatened for their lives. Then why are they so so so sooooo bad about not getting tied up with horribly toxic and downright dangerous men? They act like the ones they don’t personally vibe with or are ugly or act uncalibrated are the dangerous ones. That’s not the case 9.9/10 times and they’re only using that horse shit victim mentality to gain power and control over us. I’m sorry but the man who fucks you senseless while you’re fully conscious and with your arms and legs dismembered is not the awkward dork who didn’t know how to read body language. It’s the one who knows women so well he says everything the girl wants to hear, does everything perfectly to not make himself look creepy, passes all the shit tests and has irresistible charm. What women have is a beta detector. A very very accurate and well working one. When that sounds off they use it to tell people they feel threatened by you instead of just unattracted as a way to get cops or security to remove you from the area so they don’t have to have the eye sore. Am I not being very fair here? Then why are they so notoriously bad at picking guys who are good for them?

@nhoktinvt handle the untamed pussycat? Why yes, I believe I could handle her. They’re the ones that can’t handle me. Apparently that’s the entire problem here

That’s why the word harassment doesn’t hold the weight it used to. People can be like “Security!” Or “Officer! This guy is harassing me!!”, and it will be treated as though you were actually harassing someone even if all you were doing was talking. It happened to me once in a sams club. I was having a lighthearted chat with a girl from hs I knew and a few others on other approaches. Some employee or manager guy came up to give me shit about it, he said, “we can’t have you harassing our members” even though I wasn’t being belligerent at all. So we argued a bit

I guarantee you I don’t have the money to get to wherever the hell you are. And besides, it’s probably against TOS of this forum to schedule that. wdym you’re stupid? You sound just fine from what I’ve read. The reason I want stupid girls is because I’d imagine theyre easier to bang because their logic is very uncomplicated, like mine. Meaning less shit testing, less expecting me to read their minds, not as much calibration needed, just way less bullshit to deal with. Weren’t u the one that told me how I was doing law of attraction wrong? I still haven’t been able to make that work.

If they were as violently horny as we are AND unable to get any action then they’d understand. No food makes people die of starvation, no sex makes people die a slower and more painful death via self destruct. as for the hooker thing, I actually respect that. If that’s you, just know that people like you are the only hope people like me have of ever getting to experience the most glorious thing on earth. I’m not speaking for all of them but I guarantee you some of the guys who call your kind trash for charging money would have no problem taking a girl on several expensive dates before she’ll sleep with him. What’s the difference if you’re already spending that money on your girlfriend, why not just cut out all the extra bs and go straight to meat?

@Princess Arabia I greatly wish that was true. I would have been laid by now. Apparently it’s not that easy. People on here have been telling me there’s no simple set of tricks you can use to get a girl in bed with you. It takes a preposterously huge amount of self development work to make yourself valuable enough to pull consistently. If they’ve been lying then by all means tell me exactly what to say/do so I can finally have my very much deserved and long overdue slice of the pie. Who’s hating on hookers? I have the utmost respect for such women. Who else is willing to sell us the best part of a relationship without all the headache? No expensive dinners, no marriage, no drama, just straight to the point

Are you me? Funny how the world repeatedly strikes us down for the simple crime of trying to get some action, you know, the very reason why any of us are here at all. The people responsible for kicking you and complaining about you for simply flirting, running your game or “being yourself” are quite literally anti human, misanthropic monsters. They’re intentionally denying you of performing the beginning stages by which humans are born. Then those same people have probably told others to be themselves and may have wives or girlfriends or the girls complaining about you may have boyfriends. They all had to find that partner somehow. Imagine if some authoritarian fuck face told them they aren’t allowed to try to find partners. They wouldn’t have even been birthed in the first place if someone cock blocked them like this. Absolutely fucking despicable, but not the least bit surprising. This is incorrect. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it as much as I need to: You do not have to say anything creepy or weird to girls to get yourself into trouble, you just have to approach lots of them in the same area. The reason you’ve never had that problem is because you likely already have a base foundation of reading the girls mind (that’s basically what they expect you to do is mind read because they will not tell you what you’re doing wrong or when, nobody will. They just complain and get you kicked you out and that’s that. Zero empathy from anyone except in this forum and black pill communities) To you it’s “social cues and vibes” to us it’s mind reading. What if when the normies were trying to find partners they got not just cock blocked but banned from the area they were looking because they didn’t have perfect social skills. The girls would absolutely lose their shit if they were held to the same restrictions on flirting that we are. No more of this social cues thing as the reason so many men are getting shit on. I know it has its place but you guys can’t keep telling us to get better at reading people as if that’s the root problem. All it takes to get kicked out of somewhere is if the girl just doesn’t like you, that’s it. You don’t have to be creepy, don’t have to be uncalibrated, you don’t have to be a total asshole. If one or two girls decide they dislike you, even if the reason is as benign as your personality being incompatible with hers, they go and complain about you to authority and you’re done. How many more times is this going to have to happen before y’all will admit that girls being massive stuck up b-words is in fact SOMETIMES the reason we run into trouble. I’m not saying women are all bad and that’s why we’re incels. If a guy goes around grabbing titties and giving rape threats like a madman then she should definitely complain about it, in fact she should be more than welcome to knee him in the balls at that point. But for just running some game? Even if he’s a little awkward or clueless, kicking him out is unacceptable and unforgivable. At this rate I would steer clear of asking for numbers while you’re doing any kind of job. That sounds like begging to get fired

To make things more interesting, when she tells you she has a boyfriend/husband, reply with “Don’t make me do this the hard way.” On a more serious note, I’ll be competing in this game as my New Years resolution. That way I get live in peace a little while longer before the torture begins. We should give approach reports in this thread and keep track of our scores. Of course if there’s too much to say about a particular approach, it’s own thread may be necessary.

@kenway 🎵 “Come on baby make it hurt so good. Sometimes love don’t feel like it should. Baby it hurts so good”🎵 Holy mother of mercy that’s intense Firstly, I’m morbidly curious to know how often this type of thing actually happens. If anyone has seen this happen, heard of it happening, heard a girl give threats of such a thing, heard a girl say she wants to, heard a girl mention doing it or god forbid has experienced it, you shall tell me all about it in detail! I wanna hear everything you know. Secondly, there’s a few different outcomes of a guy going through that: 1) He recovers, puts it behind him and moves on using more caution in the future. 2) He’s broken and devastated beyond repair and goes full hermit either for a time being or for life. 3) (and this is the funniest one) It turns him on hardcore so instead of dropping to the floor crying, choking and humiliated, he begs her to do it again and harder this time. 4) Worst case scenario we end up with another Ted Bundy or Elliot Rodger. Personally, I can see myself being some combination of 2 and 3 Lastly, I have some objections. In my experience, the way life tends to work is that whatever you want the most is very good at slipping through your grasp even when you see windows of opportunity. If the guy who’s into that saw it and decided he wanted in on the action, the girl would detect a very different energy in the him than the last victim and thus decide to not repeat the attack. Maybe she can sense he actually wants it so that makes her not want to. Maybe she thinks the second guy is way weirder than the last guy so she figures it’s probably not a good idea to do him the same for whatever reason. Except when it’s not and it does. Pay close attention here. Look at how HARD she slapped him. See how right on the bullseye she landed that hit. Notice how he immediately winced, hunched over and sank to the ground. Notice the friend on the bed joining in on the laughter. This is not staged and there’s no acting taking place here. I doubt the best movie stars in Hollywood could pull off a play this convincing, it’s real. It’s real and there are hundreds of such videos on tiktok. It was a whole trend back during the covid era where girls would hit their bfs/guy friends in the nuts sometimes ridiculously hard and with closed fists. The comments are filled with a mix of other girls cheering it on, guys wishing a girl would do that to them, guys calling it out as disgusting and unacceptable behavior, girls linking their bfs’ @ and a few girls calling it out as unacceptable. The fact that so many girls were comfortable enough to not only do this but post it online as well really makes you wonder how common it is for women to genuinely think this is funny or would enjoy doing it whether sexually motivated or not if given the opportunity as compared to the number of guys wishing it was done to them. Which side do you y’all think has more players? This plays into the point you @kenway made. I’ll be referring to the video I posted as it’s the most prime example I could find, but this goes for the entire phenomenon. To the average guy who isn’t kinked out by having his sleigh bells jingled (the vast majority I’d have to assume) that would have been THE BIGGEST crime she could have possibly committed in that moment. That level of pain would make it very difficult for him ever feel comfortable around her again. As for the dudes craving that treatment (approximately 2-3% rough estimate?) that slap would have knocked them clean into indescribable bliss and oneness with the universal mind. But contrary to your conclusion, if I understand it correctly, I think there are more women who get off either emotionally or sexually on the thought of causing some nut ache than you think. There are a lot of chicks out there who’re just as infuriated with men as I am with them. Though that hardly seems possible.

No they don’t want to and shouldn’t have to, but that also applies in reverse. Should the guy have to cover her expenses fully knowing she has the money for her end? I could come up with the money if a girl insisted we do something expensive together but not for both of us, especially if she has her own job and even more especially if for all I know she’s just using me for free stuff knowing I’m hoping she’ll give up the true valuables in return. That’s unacceptable and tons and tons of girls act like this thinking they aren’t doing anything wrong. How much money do guys usually have to burn on dates and stuff before the girl finally decides he’s earned himself a night to remember fondly? At some you might as well just get a prostitute instead. Leo said he used to have a personal rule that he’s not allowed to spend any money on a girl to get laid. I assume he had plenty of success doing it that way? So why wouldn’t we be able to?