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How does God makes himself forget himself? could you provide some explanation about the process of forgetfulness or developing misunderstanding of one's Self? @Leo Gura

How does one crank it up or down? i suppose its just Gods WILL, which means I cant really do anything about it, Does developing deeper understanding leads to REMEMBERING eventually?

Hi from my understanding so far i can see a clear distiction between leo's teachings and the old school teachings The main goal is LOVE in both teachings in the sense that LOVE is just the total embracing and acceptance of reality(which is the SELF) and see it clearly and truthfully. In buddhism the main goal is achieved through making the mind silent and so non-reactive to experiences, which allows the mind to totally accept reality as it is. In leo's teachings this is achieved through a new level of intelligence which is beyond human. an intelligence that understands reality and SELF at such a deep and profound sense that there is no need for a silent mind. your personal mind is God and in IN LOVE with itself completely. The goal is LOVE. the debate is whether its achievable through "shutting OFF" or "turning ON" the mind. This is something to be explored personally to realize what is true. Am I getting this right?

Im struggeling for a while now with socializing. i find 90% of my interactions are ABSOLUTE BOREDOM and fakery.. meaningless ping-pong of bullshit.. when its funny i can enjoy it more but most of the time its not even truly funny, i just pretend to laugh to fit in.. im talking about relationships, family and even friends sometimes. im not the most social guy in the table for sure but also not the most shy and introverted guy. im definetly not a socialization ninja but i can handle conversations quite fine and without anxiety and shit.. i just dont truly enjoy it.. and lately i cannot stop myself from asking "why? why do i even bother? its so lame and full of phony people doing foolish things and concerned with banal things.. i dont find people and their opinions interesting so why do i even try?" could someone please enlighten me here with some higher perspective? why do you enjoy socializing? what do you find exciting about it? P.S oh lord save me from thy stupid misery and from foolish social activities

you can skip straight to the points of criticism or read the entire story if you'd like: So today i stumbled upon krishnamurti, a very interesting spiritual teacher. i felt deeply touched by his lectures about meditation. he is against any type of mechanical process which leads to an imagined destination such as "quiet mind" "stillness" "enlightenment" etc.. so he offers no technique and he views his talks themselves, which are preaching the acceptance of how much we do not know and how much BS we are fed spiritually, as the meditation itself. for him, if you dont meditate all day long, you are just fooling yourself. then i sat to do my mechanical meditation. I concentrate and concentrate.. and then become dull. than I notice that, wake myself up and become dull again. then i wondered "if im becoming dull during a process which tries to make me concious and alert - the procedure or the execution is probably low quality. WTF AM I DOING??" i stopped everything and took my phone and starter writing notes of criticism of my meditation practice and this made me actually more alert. i started watching myself very carefully, in a very alive and interesting sense. i became very open to new possibilities. i felt i was doing something my heart called for, and not something my head demanded to be done. i broke all the rules i created and i liked it. HERE ARE A FEW IMPORTANT INSIGHTS I REALIZED ABOUT MY MEDITATION AND WHY IM DOING IT WRONG: - in meditation im trying to notice when im starting to have a thought and immediately get back to my meditation objective. but this is completely backwords! this is a complete self deception. im doing this purely based upon the fact that somebody told me to do that and claimed he got enlightened. i dont even know what this means! what i know is Consiousness is life! it is intelligence! this is self evident. i will never reach awakening in a non-lively and mechanical manner. it negates the nature of MYSELF! my meditation is completely machanical. what makes maditation not mechanical is me being intrested in the process of self exploration, with an open mind, watching every thought carefully and making an intelligent decision whether i want to surrender that thought or not. based on my own current understanding of it and my values, THIS IS MEDITATION. THIS I CAN COMMIT TO DO ALL DAY LONG. - i notice that i get a sense of spiritual ego where i deny automatically every thought i have and especially those i consider "shallow". i get now that this is a form of shame that disconnects me from myself - which again is completely backwords! why wouldnt i allow myself to think about how to heal a rash i have on my skin for example? dont i want to be healthy? why is this considered to be a "distraction"? I AM who I AM. if im considering parts of myself as distractions i have to face the fact im starting to leave reality and move into an imagined state where i try to meet some IMAGINED IDEAL about myself instead of myself truly! I CARE ABOUT MY FUCKING RASH!!! <<<<<< and this is not a distraction at all. this is complete awareness of myself. considering it a distraction automatically is the distraction LOL. - i get annoyed if something bothers me during my practice. if my phone rings i get subtly angry at it. this again is backwords. i have nothing to get angry about because im always watching myself and aware of myself, no phone can ruin that. im only able to trip myself up based on some erroneus ideas i have about myself, one such idea is: meditation stops if you open your eyes. you will lose your gainz... LOL - i do tend to make too many explanations about myself during meditation and life, and this does become distracting, i dont have to explain myself to myself in order to be myself BUT I can if i find value in that, and sometimes I DO find value in that! but sometimes i feel it becomes too much and i'd like to give myself a break from all this analyzing - its exhausting! but also FUN! so its a balancing act - not an issue of surrendering everything completely. I AM MYSELF completely all the time. no need to give up doing things i value and love to become "my true self" < again, completely backwords. the main insight here is that spiritual ego is a much deeper phenomena than i imagined. im very sick. there is no way i should be other than what I truly am currently, and that is actual meditation! this i can commit to doing all day long with LOVE, CURIOSITY and an OPEN MIND. there are many sneaky ways of me trying to deny my reality to become an ideal version of myself which is based on stuff i read womewhere and believed. buddhism included. but these are all dead ends. games i play with myself. I TRULY get it now. thanks for reading

appreciate the comments, i thought more about it i do enjoy some social activities because there i actually hang out with people i enjoy their company (some of my close friends) and i can enjoy myself and be authentic, talk about things that actually make me laugh and share and listen to intersting stories. on the other hand, most interactions in my daily life (workplace, family especially, my gf family) are so freaking BORING i feel like my spirit is being molested to be this normal dude sitting there eating some rice and chicken and talking about daily news and i fucking hate it.. but what can i do? its family, i have some sort of obligation toward them. should i try be more authentic around people in the family and workplace? i think they just dont get it and judge me.. if i even declare i am doing spirituality in my life from their pov it would be "hi mama and papa, im mentally ill and in need of urgent help" maybe i should keep more distance and see them less often then i do now..

God will's the ego into existence then? the reason is for God to have fun' enjoy and get lost being a seperate silly human?

its funny how lots of folks here always like to make witty remarks which really dont help. are you trying to sound smart and above me? nice try. i was asking a question btw yeah you could frame it that way, i agree. do you agree you have two ways of getting there? one is making the "ego" mind quiet and one is reaching super-intelligence?

access concentration usually brings up a certain ecstasy in the body. if you dont, nobody can really answer it for ya.. its very personal.. you might need to experiment with the different suggestions you get. in my opinion, you're not there yet.. you should be buzzing with the intensity of your concentration to get to that bliss flooding your body. its not easy and i dont think being able to stay without thoughts for a minute or so is enough. you should just keep practicing. also, consider dropping that analyizing voice in your head thats counting how much time you spent in concentration and just stay concentrated - you need to drop everything ! dont forget that. dont make "not wasting your precious time" your goal here, but your self realization.

I hear leo too often talk about how many spiritual teachers are not god realized, but are there any teachers that ARE god realized? @Leo Gura

this is a problematic notion. i suffered alot from that aswell. you assert that you have control over this process but you dont. your growth has a certain pace, embrace it. nothing in the world will speed things up because everythings is already perfect as it is. you are already doing your best. meditation is not about the technique - its about diligence. you cannot just stop the ego, you slowly and gradually get rid of him. think back 5 years - you had alot of it didnt you? but now its alot less. so just be patient. be diligent. dont give up. just trust this process a bit.

I think its worth to mention Walter Russel who was a very interesting guy, he had invented a whole cosmogony based on his own "god realization" he also wrote extensively what seems to be the words of God channeled through him, kinda like neal donald walsh. i read a bunch of his books and he says pretty much the same stuff as Leo but he has embodied alot more in his life (not to bring Leo down, Walter had already passed away... ) he had a ton of NDE's during his life which spared him the need to use psychedelics i guess .. check him out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell

my god what a trashy situation. she is treating you like garbage and you seem inexperienced so you still dont understand how wrong this is. i say move on and look for someone better for you.

i had issues with my family for years now.. most of them are now resolved on the ground of "lets agree to disagree" its not a very abusive family, they are a bit too closed minded and stupid my parents. like 80% blue, conspiracy addicts and overall unemotional unconscious zombies walking miserably upon this beautiful planet. they are always the victims in their stories. everybody else is the blame.. always say i have to go to university (even though ive got a nice job going on that pays me well enough to live independently).. honestly seeing them is not traumatic or something but its just... BORING, they are super banal. like literraly they have no life going on except TV or their soulless jobs. i couldnt care less about their life and they couldnt care less about mine.. we are so different and it feels like we cant bridge this huge gap between our worldviews. we literraly struggle to find something to talk about when we have dinner together. i am a bit angry and defensive at them because i still hold grudges from past events but even when im free of it i still dont find any meaning in staying in relationship with them... but then the guilt kicks in and i dont know if its the right thing to do... what do you think? have you been in a similar condition? what would you do?

all mental trauma is basically very compulsive and alluring thoughts which haunt you and make you react in dramatic ways. you can practice more non reactive awareness and mindfulness to your automatic reactions to stimuli you read about proper more aware and integral response to events that trigger you you might try therapy for support you might try holotropic breathing, not sure if this really helps than all you got left to do is start practicing a better, healthier, more integrated version of you in day to day life, consciously. it will improve over time. as you put more into it you will get more out of it.

so yeah i get it do some 5meo every once in a while, develop deeper insights into your own nature as god creating this beautiful dream. develop deep connections with people, do what you love, have sex with beautiful girls, live the deam etc.. now i still dont get how do i come to actualize these spiritual insights and make them permenant traits of my consciouscness? of course meditation is not powerful enough for those deepest states. it seems to me im just messing around in different states, while what my soul yearns for is to make this state of GODHOOD my "sober" baseline state but i dont get how do you actually get there? is there a road map? could it just naturally occur as long as i keep living my dream life and sticking to my personal goals?? or is there some specific way to make that state my basline state? confused about that and not sure i heard leo adress this.

god is already god indeed. but it made reality for the purpose of simulating his love in the flesh. not sure i agree with you on this subject. why cant god realize him self as a permenant state of total self undestanding? why are you so sure its impossible?

you are confusing leo as leo and leo as god. god didnt manifest this forum. leo created it with hard work through his own will. its part of his purpose he created for himself. leo cant control anything in reality, just manipulate it this way or another, but not change it physically. nobody is making him do anything, god supports him and the junky around the block equally and is not involved in any of that. yes, thats the life he wished for himself, otherwise he wouldnt do that. he doesnt have to do this ya know... he could design some video game or whatever... leo as god created this entire universe and its already perfect, nothing to change about it, its the best it could possibly be. so... there you go.

dude life has no meaning you do what ever you want just to please yourself you do survival cause youre afraid of the concept of death you think for something to be meaningful it has to have an end point. a result. and thats not going to happen in life - contemplate that.

I remember leo saying in one of his god realization videos that there are very few spiritual teachers speaking about the god realization at the ultimate level as he speaks and i find that to be true. recently i stumbled upon Walter Russell which lived a few decades ago and was a very interesting person. Here's a wikipedia page you imagined about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell he wrote many spiritual books which i know read and find interesting and wanted to share some of his insights: "what men calls his subjective mind is his consciousness, his spiritual storehouse of all knowledge, all power and all presence. That consciousness is his Self, his ETERNAL SELF through which his omniscience and omnipotence are expressed as he slowly becomes aware of their presence within him" "men has not yet learned that bodies neither live nor die but repeat themselves continuously and forever as all Idea of Mind likewise repeats itself" "that which we think of as life in the spirit of men manifests itself by WILLING the body to act. actions that are made in the body by its centering Soul " "bodies are machines motivated by an omnicient and onipresent intelligence extended to them" "all experiences are steps in the journey from the dark to the LIGHT, therefore all experince is GOOD, evil is made up by man" he was also known to be able to communicate as GOD directly, here are a few quotes i liked: "I am a patient God, all men will come to me in due time, but their's is the agony of awaiting" "My universe is My image, but My image is not Me" "To think is to create. I create with Light. Nothing is which is not light"

thanks for sharing, i agree wholeheartedly. there are no perfect mates waiting for me to discover - its about understanding whats really important for me in a partner and than compromising on the rest while also doing some work around it. i find it as the most realistic ideal relationship. not intresetd.

so im with this girl she cute, im attracted to her, our sex is good and will become better i expect cause we both want it to, she has a kind, gentle, loving heart and intelligence she comes from a good family, far better than mine lol her parents are big into spirituality, very loving and caring people we together 8 months, and both want to keep going whats the hold up you ask? FOMO im a young horny dude, i have some experience with girls... "but not enough" - says my dick. i still want to taste more pussy, see some nice big booty and more types of women.. im afraid this will become a problem as i mature and im afraid im getting deeper into a relationship while i havnt been enough at the "buffet". im still curious you see.. im afraid itll become an obstacle later. like a repressed shadow which will come back and haunt me later.. whats more? well, im attracted to her but she is not like exactly my type. other types of girls attract me more then her if im being honest. but shes so awsome and cute that i tell my self that i dont want to leave only because of the looks. also - i cant get everything in life - some compromise must be made, and she has such a good charachter that im willing to compromise looks for that - and im attracted to her so no problems in that domain. she also not big into sprituality but definitly curious and smart so i kind of gently guide her in this domain. im 24 yo what do you guys think? am i going to regret going into a long term relationship while still young and wild? is it going to come back and bite me in the ass later? what to do about all this cravings for more expereince in sex when i have a women i love?

i think you read too many books. you think its all so easy - yeah, im indecisive - this is what happens when you meet something new in your life.. im not supposed to hide it, and im not able to just sit and decide.. it takes time in real life... if it were so easy i wouldnt need to hear some more perspectives on this subject from you.. and guys are also allowed to be insecure and weak in a relationship - you know why? cause its fucking true. life is a mysetery and part of it is also being weak and indecisive and thats fine too. your confusing sexual attraction theory with like.. the entire relationship. i get what your saying. there was one time when she started sharing her doubts honestly and i became very offended. now i kind of see it "from the other side" of having some nagging fear you dont know what to do about. i think i should take my time with this relationship, not share this things and just make up my mind on my own with time. if ill get bored from this relationship ill stop it and maybe ill just get over that and grow to love her and commit more fully. i have plenty of time to have more sexual experience anyways. thanks!

how about: i have this nagging fear that if we will stay together for long time and i will have all this curiousity about sexuality i havnt actualized it will bother me and make it hard for me to focus on our relationship, do you get that feeling sometimes? dont you fear missing out on more experiences before you commit fully? i find this a very human question, doesnt sound cruel to me. and you my friend, are full of projections and false confidence. this relationship makes me happy, i enjoy her company and i love her. my cravings are natural....

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