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MMA is to Fighting what Nonduality is to Spirituality

Maybe it's the thrill of the chase/search and the mysteriousness of the key that intises!

When there was identification as a self, it seemed like there was a constant and desperate need to find the answers to everything. The 5 w's; who, what, when, where, why It needed to discover the truth about everything, and it was the perfect self for the task!

If the first delusion isn't seen through, there will be endless delusions to work through. It will seem like a lot of progress is being made. Like unknowingly using a map of the wrong territory to guide you. The seeking may never end because it will always feel like something is missing and needs to be found. Look at what's looking for something.

What if you had never heard or learned about ego. Would it still feel/seem like there was a different context of self?

No mind; no self; unknowing; nothingness; liberation; enlightenment, are all pointing to the same thing The end of experiencing/perceiving reality through the conditioned mind Understanding that something vastly infinite, cannot ever be fully grasped by something limited It could be named, labeled and described endlessly for infinite lifetimes In that sense it's unknowable

We are just like the grass growing and the salmon spawning, just like a wildfire or disease spreading. It's not crucial or important. It just happens. It doesn't matter if it continues or stops. It doesn't matter if reality is understood or not, or if you keep trying The fame and fortune won't matter or eating healthy and exercising. The meditation, yoga and spiritual practices neither. Nothing will save us, not knowing, not enlightenment, not not knowing It's totally hopeless, but in this understanding there is also a sense of relief, a relaxation glimpse, a sense of unconditional freedom maybe. An invitation to inevitable hopeless freedom

Then that's what's being experienced there! It's whole, complete and perfect. There is no issue here with that or what anyone else you mentioned believes or has said 🙏

Because I was trying to poke at the self-illusion over there.......👉, trying to get it fired up.....make it more obvious. The self and ego you are describing is the same illusion. The ego runs deeper and is more prevalent than you're giving it credit. It's that which is shaping the perception there.

The "self" is that Breakingthewall character that believes itself to be all of reality. That which places certain spiritual figures on a pedestal to idolize, and simultaneously disregards others that dont seem to match its parameters of belief. Its that character that feels threatened when it's belief system is put into question and then doubles down to secure its foundational delusions of grandiose. Circular logic is one of its most used survival strategies. It sounds secure enough in its beliefs, but it is actually deathly afraid of looking inwards and recognizing its own unreality. It's that which feels its got so much to loose because of how much spiritual knowledge it believes it has gained over the years. It believes itself to be fairly high up on the spiritual ladder and is deeply invested in identifying as that character that knows.

Sincere misunderstanding due to partial or incomplete awakening experience. If the survival strategy/identification game of the self illusion isn’t recognized clearly, I would describe it as incomplete.

I would guess it probably just started off as a story, but then after gaining some popular belief, it was realized it could be used to manipulate and control behavior.

What sometimes seems to happen during a mystical experience is the energy used to uphold the "self identification construct" temporarily collapses and seems to dissipate back into everything. When this occurs it creates an intense feeling of freedom, wholeness, all-inclusiveness or "being everything". But eventually this "energetic self identification" returns, but with the misunderstanding of being everything now instead of just the small limited body/mind. This phenomenon is often referred to as the spiritual ego, and it's almost impossible to be seen through. It really just ends of being an incomplete enlightenment experience.

Yup, and that process feels like a slow rebalancing of energy distribution. The self character isn't forgotten. It’s been at the forefront of the mind for a very long time and there are long-term habits/preferences still intact. Some of those things change rather quickly and some don't. The things that did change quickly seemed to be directly tied to that conditioned self character.......for example the self guilt about desperately needing to advance my rank in the military to keep up with the competition, that almost dropped immediately. Also my fitness goals changed really quickly. The entire concern about upholding my overall professional image dropped basically. As far as the acting out roles thing.....its similar to an actor/actress playing a fictional character. The actor knows the character isn't real, but when they are playing the role, it's almost as if the body's energy brings it to life. Something that wasn't expected was how clearly the understanding is of how this sense of self becomes so prevalent in each body/mind. It's like everything changes and nothing changes. I didn't stop being a father, in fact it's much better because there isn't a me trying to play out my hopes and dreams through my boys. It's easy to tell what they are interested in......just have to pay attention to them!

Frustrated narcissism coupled with little person syndrome: I'm everything, i'm not insignificant in the big scheme of reality. Why? Because I said so and that proves it. Behold my powers and witness my infinite intelligence. See those clouds and lightning over there.......im doing that!!! Prove me wrong!!! 🤣

There doesn't need to be another pov. The freedom is not knowing. Leave it empty please

I see, Interesting because it wasn't actually obvious right at first. You caught that lol. At first, it was still assumed to have been there for as long as I could remember, even though it had become obvious that it wasn't currently real. It was quite possibly somewhere around 18 months later, when it became totally clear that it was never actually there from start...... it had just seemed to be there. The self character isn't totally forgotten. In fact the body can still play the role of that character almost perfectly because there had been identification as that self for so long. The difference is that character is completely understood to be fiction, so things aren't taken so seriously, there is no loger getting stuck in that drama play. It's freedom from the seriousness of that identification, but for nobody. Like energy just acting out roles. Certain memories can get fuzzy though, as if the recognition effects them a bit. Definitely not like amnesia or anything though 🤔

I've definitely closed some gaps in my day

It's definitely an interesting belief system. What is the key takeaway if there is one? What is the importance of recognizing: "the self is not the reality, it's the reality expressed as a self, knowing that it is: What does it matter and whom does is matter for? Is there any benefit to this apparent realization, or is it just truth for truth sake?

"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown" - William Shakespeare

Who knows it? What exactly is that which claims to know these so-called facts? I just wouldn't describe it as knowledge. It's more like a description of reality after all the conditioned beliefs, concepts, stories, assumptions crumble away. But I can understand how that would seem like a knowing of sorts. I would admit a master auto mechanic has the knowledge about the total functioning of certain vehicles. It's happening directly in front of him, he can see everything live in action as it happens. But I don't actually know reality, & I'm certainly not the totality of it. It was here doing its thing long before this body learned its human name and how to go pee pee in the toilet without splashing everywhere.

Totally agree 🤙

I stumbled onto his videos on YouTube while looking for someone who had a similar experience around 2019 At first I thought the guy was crazy. It sounded foreign or something, but I could hear the sincerity in his voice and see it in his body language. After a little bit of getting used to his language/articulation it was like : "holy shit, this guy is describing an almost identical situation to mine here, but using different verbiage" It's a trip!