VeganAwake

Haha yup, I use, self/ego/no self/self illusion/sense of self/separate self/self construct, all interchangeably.

Ego/self illusion, would never destroy itself. It wants to reap all the benefits of everything including enlightenment.

It's completely normal. Being problematic or not is just perspective. It can be recognized that this needy egoic structure that wants this knowledge is completely illusory though. But its not ego that recognizes it and eliminates itself, it's nothingness 😳

Basically when the self illusion dies, everything just becomes obvious. The body just feels more relaxed than it did before when it was running around in the matrix of self illusion and doing things according to its conditioned societal upbringing. Here it's obvious that there is no god or satan; heaven or hell; incarnation or reincarnation; no higher or lower authority or universal purpose or meaning. It's incredibly easy to recognize that all these beliefs and concepts are just fictional human made stories. Religion, spirituality, societal structure..........it's all BS.......totally made up crap. It's freedom from all that stuff! It's shocking and hilarious when it's seen clearly!

Nothingness was referring to the self-illusion which identifies as being the whole of reality there. Another name for that self-illusion is spiritual ego. It's not really there, it's nothingness in disguse as being everything. Reality doesn't have an identification crisis like conditioned humans. That Breakingthewall body over there is a tiny insignificant piece of reality, it's not the whole. Laying an illusory blanket of conditioned beliefs overtop of reality to suit the spiritual ego's false agenda, doesn't make it true. There isn't a "You" in which could be the whole of reality and never will be. I can assure you of this. It's not an opinion, it's a blatant fact. The self-illusion there has been bamboozled by some kind of egoic spiritual nonsense that sounded good. That is not Enlightenment. Thats delusions of a very strong and persistent spiritual ego that will fight tooth and nail to stay in control. The physical bodies that write back and forth on this forum are real, just like deer, bear, rabbit, fox, birds, trees.....etc...etc... It's that which identifies as being "the whole of reality" which is completely unreal

Nothingness

The thing is, I can't remove all the conditioned stories, theories, concepts, religious beliefs...etc....etc.... that most have been exposed to in life. Maybe some are hardened deep seeded beliefs. I wasn't raised in a religious family or culture pushing beliefs onto me and such. I don't know what it's like to entertain beliefs like karma, god, satan, soul, spirit, reincarnation, heaven, hell, infinite consciousness....etc...etc... Here all these concepts/beliefs seem absolutely ridiculous. When the mind is clouded by these endless conceptual stories and belief systems, there isn't any room left for basic understanding. The glass needs to be empty. The conceptual mind needs to be scrubbed and pressure washed out, like a young child again. The purging of the conditioned mind if you will. Enlightenment isn't about learning what's true. It isn't a knowing either. It's the removal of falsification revealing what was already the case!

@James123 @Someone here Hell I like you boys! We should have some tea together one day! It was just pointers to have a look at if you want! Nobody can convince. It has to be recognized there! Now back to my coffee, and humbling/ twerking practice videos 🤣

Nothing is incarnated now, so nothing gets reincarnated later. Karma/incarnation/reincarnation are just concepts created by humans. There isn't a you or a me incarnated in the bodies now.......it's just the bodies! Soul, spirit, karma, god, satan, heaven, hell, reincarnation ......... These are all just human made fictional concepts. That body is not this body the same way that this body is not a cows body and so on. Humans are desperately afraid of death. They simply can't face it and be realistic. So they just created their own concepts about life and death to make themselves feel secure and warm and fuzzy inside. Then these conditioned concepts are simply passed down to their offspring who get brainwashed into believing these silly concepts. Death is only scary because it's unfamiliar and inconceivable for the body. Death is the end of that fear, it's also the end of bravery. Bodily death is the end of the human story permanently.

Because when that James123 body dies, there will no longer be a self illusion to claim that something matters or not. So something seemingly mattering while the body is alive, ultimately doesn't matter later when the body is dead. It doesn't matter now either actually.......it can just seem to......and that's ok! 80 years of pain and suffering end up being identical to 80 years of peace and tranquility after body death. So in that sense ultimately nothing matters!!!!! GET IT GENIUS 🤣

Nobody knows & nothing

Well so is something being labeled an appreciation and having an opposite. There aren't any real opposites. That's just what seems to be true through the conditioned self illusion that believes it knows!

Yup, Just pointer words for communication purposes. We are all just saying blah blah blah back and forth to each other. That's obvious. Reality is already whole & complete....... it's already what is, prior to whatever conditioned interpretation a human mind has about it. And in that sense, nothing needs to be achieved/done/seen/recognized or whatever........it's already!

As a temporary form things can seem to matter. Ultimately nothing matters. There doesn't need to be an agreeance on it.........it's all good in da hood!

A dream

I mean you could call it god or consciousness or something, but it's actually nothing!!! It's a trip and makes no sense!

That's the cosmic joke! Nobody knows it 🤷‍♂️.... it's literally recognized by nothing! I can understand your skepticism 😅

Correct, only there isn't a you in the matrix, and there isn't a you that gets out of the matrix 🤯 The matrix is just reality experienced through the conditioned self illusions perspective. When that self illusion is gone, nothing physically changes at all. The appearance is exactly the same. But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality. Everything is no longer about and intertwined with the self illusion being at the center of it all. The body still functions in society owns a home, grocery shops, raises the children and follows the laws or risks fines and or going to jail or whatever.

All I was really saying was: Here the surrendering ended up being the clear recognition that there never was anything/anybody which needed surrendering. Allowing an energetic shift away from the conditioned thinker identification. But it doesn't shift to another identification......it's just flickers out slowly! Nobody left to become or not become 😉

Who would surrender? What it sounds like your saying is, the real self needs to surrender the false self. But this isn't the case! There isn't two you's......there isn't even one you. Both are the same self illusion. The very word surrender implies that its real and requires surrendering. It's not real from the start, so how could it be surrendered, and by who? It's not an action. It's a recognition. But its a clear recognition that seemingly disrupts the energy used to uphold this illusory self construct.

When the self illusion/me is dying (nothing actually dies because it isn't real) it desperately attempts to identity as something it has learned about from the matrix......like higher self, infinite consciousness, true self, the self, god....etc....etc See, it doesn't want to go bye bye. It wants to be the knower, it wants to be enlightened, it wants to be special. This new illusory identity is often referred to as spiritual ego. But when this silly fiasco/identity crisis of illusion is CLEARLY seen through.......there isn't any energy left to sustain its new illusory identification. The veil has been lifted........there is nothing left to uphold this new attempted self construct. The body can feel very disoriented or ungrounded.......like free floating. Its freedom from the sticky/needy self illusion.........but it isn't for anyone! Nobody becomes enlightened and is now walking around identified as an enlightened being........if this is the case, the self illusion is still fully intact. It requires crystal clear recognition for that identification energy to dissipate fully! It's very rare. It can feel like a death of sorts. The dream story/matrix never was. Later it's recognized that nothing actually happened. Something that was never real from the start dies essentially......which equates to = nothing happened. What remains is nothing being everything and everything being nothing, as it always was.

Can't get stuck in a belief if you never had one from the start!

No, But if you stop listening and believing altogether, there's nothing left to get stuck in 🤷‍♂️

Heavy is the head that wears the crown 👑