VeganAwake

There was actually quite a lot of investigating and juggling different perspectives/spiritual concepts between 2014 thru 2022. Lots of spiritual books read and hours of meditation/yoga also. I've taken LSD and eaten hallucinogenic mushrooms dozens of times between the ages of 16 and 19 yrs old. I understand you are an explorer of reality and a seeker of truth. I understand mostly everything I read of yours on this forum topic. We have a lot of similarities and I remember questioning a lot of the same topics I see you discuss on here. Have you thoroughly investigated the investigator? That desire to know, grasp or understand is coming from somewhere. Have you traced that seeking energy back to its source? You seem to have the main pointers of the so-called neo advaitian uncompromising message memorized. Have you actually looked closely within and for your self? Look for that frustrated character that thinks I'm close minded. What does "someone here" consist of?

You know if you don't like the answers or resonate with the communication, you don't need to respond. Just an idea 🤷‍♂️

I have 3 boys bro, 9, 12 and 14 and a girlfriend and 4 of my family members were here at my house visiting this week. I understand why you think thoughts and apparent answers are crucial. I mostly just respond to what seems to spark interest and resonates here.

Everything physically appearing is reality. That doesn't change at all, no matter what. THIS!!!! The only thing completely unreal is the "separate sense of self" and its conditioned imagination. The conditioned mind/sense of self/self illusion identifies and seemingly lives through the matrix of mind or filtered reality. It also overlays reality with a sense of Meaning, Purpose and Value and operates from that unsatisfied position of constant lack. It's never satisfied. It seeks endlessly for a better experience in the future. Yes, it's also considered a survival strategy, but nonetheless, it causes an incredible amount of suffering which is mostly unnoticed until it stops. Like being habitually unsatisfied for 25 years........it's not even recognized as an issue for most.

Look closely for that which is convinced. Who or what is convinced? What is "I’m"? What does it consist of?

There's nobody stuck though. The self illusion is the stickiness/prison Assuming there is a limited local self that is stuck in its belief system, is exactly what's being pointed out as illusory. Awakening is the end of an apparent someone believing in a relative or absolute reality. The human bodies have senses and can also develop spiritually conditioned imaginations such as that body over there. Identification as that body/spirituality conditioned imagination, is the cause of the delusion! It may continue chasing delusional concepts until body death.

It's a delusional spiritual fantasy or egoic imagination. Delusion is always an addition of something. A religion/belief/concept/egoic imagination/spiritual ego Awakening is a subtraction or unknowing. All these ridiculous human beliefs stemming from fear, are recognized as total bs. When all the conditioned nonsense is dropped(matrix), only reality remains!

That's not awakening though. That's a symptom of spiritual ego/self illusion. It mascharades as numerous identities like the body, self, higher self, no self, god........ It's truly a shape shifter.

The experience that you are the body is an illusion. There are bodies, but they are empty of a you/me. Totally empty, no spirit, no soul, no being, no you. Just like deer and rabbits......no difference. When that particular body dies, the self illusion that never shuts up about "being" will be gone also. It's actually not there now. There won't even be the slightest awareness of anything or anyone ever existing/"being".... zip zilch nada. Total lights out infinitely. And in that sense, nothing matters whatsoever in any way shape or form. Not even a little tinny bit. No meaning, no purpose, no value, no being, no you, no me, no other. Infinity means absolutely nothing, because there's nobody actually experiencing it. No amount of knowledge will change this outcome which is already the case. Nothing achieved or known in this apparent lifetime, matters in any way at all. You could cure all forms of cancer, figure out a solution to world hunger, and become the richest spiritual gura in the world......and it wouldn't matter even in the slightest way possible. Every single living organism within this infinite reality will eventually die, never to return. That's the biggest problem for the self illusion. Nevertheless it's inevitable reality. Unconditional freedom, but for nobody.

Nobody knows this. Nobody is "being" or "humaning" It's not personal and nobody becomes enlightened. Reality is already complete, nothing needs to be achieved, grasped, recognized, attained, known, realized, dropped, or transcended. The knower is illusion THIS = being

Yahtzee 👆

I would describe it like the psyche gets intertwined with identity, and then everything feels/becomes personal. When you say "fact of being", what are you referring to? The body? The mind? Both? Look at what makes up this "fact of being" experience. What is it exactly? Does it have a location? What are it's characteristics? Is there anything behind it? Notice if there is resistance to looking?

It's interesting because I can completely understand how so-called enlightenment would seem/appear/be described this way. It wasn't like amnesia though, or forgetting who you are. It's not a denial, avoidance or disregard of yourself. It's also not forgetting how to function in reality or loosing self control. That would be a mental health issue or something. Nothing actually dies, falls away or collapses.......these are just words used for a lack of being able to describe a non-happening or something that just SEEMS to occur. I can understand how these types of words make it sound like a big actual physical happening of sorts. And the descriptions obviously vary greatly because everyone uses different descriptive wording/language. The sense of self/ego doesn't dissapear, dissolve, die, collapse, merge or ascend anywhere. It's simply recognized as having never been a real separate entity. That's why the word "illusion" seems to fit really well. "Something that looks, feels, or seems real, but is actually false, misleading, or misunderstood" It's not the end of knowing how to function in society and or earning a living for you and your family. You don't forget how to be a banker or lawyer or carpenter for example. I remember how it was being the self character in the past and it's clear how it seemed to emerge at a young age. But that's not saying it might not change either, anything can happen. A lot of people apparently relax a lot more, because there is no longer a "self" needing to uphold the life standards it had adopted once upon a time. It's not a state of mind or achievement someone attains. In other words, the seeker never finds whatever it feels is lacking. It's completely hopeless in that sense. Nobody becomes liberated because nobody was confined in the first place. And THAT very realization is the freedom sought-after. It's just overshadowed by the illusory experience of being incomplete. Reality is already perfectly whole, complete and free. It's unconditional freedom.

Yeah totally, The communication isnt about giving life suggestions about what apparent other people should or shouldn't do. The communication is attempting to point out that the needy individual that endlessly seeks, but is never satisfied, is a self illusion!

Megadeath 🎸

Definitely, it's a critical part of communication, so is body language. Language is definitely an interesting topic. Funny story: I almost fell in love with a way older woman speaking with a French accent to me. Its a very romantic sounding language. I was talking about creating narratives in our minds or adopting others narratives about reality, and then functioning from that perspective, as if those narratives are absolutely true. There's nothing wrong per-se about exploring/imagining different concepts, perspectives, narratives about reality. Like flipping a coin and landing on a new belief system for the next few years. Be weary about anyone claiming to be absolutely certain about anything really. The answer may also be unknowable or incomprehensible.

Stop believing your thoughts have any impact on reality...........it's just total narcissism!

Personal beliefs have nothing to do with reality. You could call reality 100,000,000,000,000,000 different things..................doesn't actually effect anything whatsoever!

Words don't create anything. Empty sounds.

Recycled back into everything ♻️ It's perfectly complete

Not even a sense of "you" prior to birth. The sense of "you" only occurs after birth. When body dies, it will be just like prior birth.........Nothing at all

It will be like before birth!

We aren't talking about the same thing!

Illusions (ego/self) can't die because they were never real from the start. Nobody becomes enlightened. Enlightenment is a recognition for nobody

Its appearing on fleeting dead/empty eyes. Nobody is experiencing, there isn't an experiencer. As soon as something seems to occur, it's gone. This moment gone, this moment gone, this moment gone.........Yes, there seems to be an observer either inside or outside the body, but look very very closely. It's emptiness appearing as an observer. Yes, it always appears to be Now, but nobody is experiencing Now. Nobody is living the Now. Keep looking for "you". What is it? What does "you" actually consist of? These human bodies are empty. Just like animals. No self no soul no spirit nothing. No real meaning or purpose to anything. No creator. No goal to attain or knowledge that needs grasping. "There is only what seems to be happening" - Jim Newman