VeganAwake

Check out from 10:30 ET explains how sneaky and low key this new ego identification can be. He is highly underrated imo.

Kind of There is just an empty body. There isn't a real "you" imagining a false ego either Just empty body

That which worries about the ramifications of becoming egoless, is the ego/self illusion. It's already not there and yet functioning seems to occur just fine correct? There isn't a real "you" underneath the ego. The ego is the illusion of "you"

Who is their? What does "own" mean? What is an ego?

Nobody comes out on the other side egoless and enlightened. Nobody wakes up. Nobody attains liberation. It's not what "you" thinks it is

The ego isn't something real To Be surrendered. It's often referred to as a self illusion. It's a self referential mental identification, a conglomeration of past/present/future memories and thoughts, beliefs, belief systems, concepts.......basically whatever seems to arise when asked to think about and/or describe yourself. It's not surrendered, killed or transcended either. It's simply recognized to be an unreal identification made of absolutely nothing. That's why the word "illusion" fits rather well. There's nobody running the body currently, it just seems like there is. The body already functions just fine. It knows where it lives, turns it's head if its name is called, has preferences and jumps out of the way of a moving bus, all by itself and prior to thinking.

Best thing you could do is leave forum and go take care of your family, they need you! Stop worrying about what you think others do

There isn't a right or wrong path......every path is neutral.....that's what the meaning of nonduality is trying to point out. Every path can't be known? Its freedom from that psychological belief that something needs to happen in order for THIS to already be the Grand Finallie. THIS is already home base.

The distraction is looking for an answer and the answer is looking for the questioner 🤑

🤣 oh shit!! 🤣

I believe that's a foul ball

What is "who"

Who surrenders and thinks?

These were just some of the examples that seem to make-up the illusory self construct. Additionally there are circular patterns of thoughts/memories of the past, present and future, beliefs and belief systems, concepts, negative/positive self judgments, numerous conditioned perspectives. These entire bundles seem to make-up the self character. And without a doubt causes an immense amount of psychological suffering when there is a strong identification as that. Sometimes for no apparent reason and in rare occasions, this so-called self character can be recognized as completely unreal.

Psychological suffering is resistance to circumstance. The physical body naturally attempts to avoid pain and suffering as natural survival instinct. The self illusion/ego/me is like the conditioned mental resistance beyond the body. (like a karen complex) It prolongs suffering and even perpetuates it. It's the negative drama extenuating beyond basic survival. It compares, overthinks and takes everything personal. (why me) Awakening is seeing through this problematic identity. Obviously there are still very difficult situations, financial and life stressor's that arise, but the difference is incomparable when nobody is resisting these circumstances. It becomes more like temporary inconveniences. Old habitual characteristics can still arise for a while, but they are usually short lived because nothing is identifying with or as that. Nobody left hanging on. The self-illusion/ego/me would be that which would attempt to identify and take ownership of these realizations...... as the "one who awakened" (spiritual ego)

What you're not taking into account is, if there's no one left identifying as that, who would suffer?

But then of course after a while it can become satisfied of being unsatisfied with being satisfied of being unsatisfied

It will eventually become unsatisfied with being satisfied with being unsatisfied

I would recommend not trying to point out what you understand to people unless they specifically ask you your perspective. It can come off as desperate and needy. Instead, just enjoy life and use what you understand to help bring more love and joy into people's lives. This will influence people to understand you way more than anything else guaranteed. Find someone who loves you back and spread it like wildfire

Oh yeah, I believe it. With me things usually felt slow and meticulous, but some things seemed very quick also. In 2015 I changed a lot of things in my life. I started eating very clean and healthy, meditating almost daily, doing yoga and mindfulness practice/positive affirmations. I thought I was awesome and I felt awesome. My mind was very clear and calm especially from the meditation. Eventually though everything become kind of ordinary and my career really hadn't advanced comparatively to my peers. I started really judging myself negatively. It was almost like an ego backlash or something. It was such a radical shift in perspective that I started investigating closely what was the cause. Self introspection can be very revealing. The ego/self illusion never becomes satisfied. Just that recognition alone can be seemingly profound.

Empty and full It doesn't attempt to make logical sense Reality isn't concerned with human made concepts like "true nature" or "truth" It's exactly what it is without any drama or hesitation

It's based on realizing that identification was a misunderstanding. Similar to realizing Santa Claus isn't real, nothing actually changes because he was never real, but simultaneously it seems different without the belief in him. And there are still memories of how it felt when there was a belief in him. There isn't a real self tangled with an illusory self........there just isn't a self altogether. Nobody gets untangled. And that can feel ordinary and simultaneously terrifying or anything in-between. Like free floating.

A misunderstood test that needed to be taken to understand.

I never mean anything exactly. I hear you!!

It's not a forgetting or detaching either way. It's clearly understanding that it was Never Real from day one. The identification quickly/slowly ends due to that clear understanding. The energy is just no longer supplied to it. But there is still the memories of how it was prior. And that character can still be used sort a speak.