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Check out from 10:30 ET explains how sneaky and low key this new ego identification can be. He is highly underrated imo.

I had a very similar experience to what Eckhart Tolle experienced after about a year and a half of meditation (often twice a day/focusing on the breath) One morning I got up and the voice in the head(monkey mind) was silent. It was realized how much identification with thoughts was distracting and influencing my life. I got a lot of work done that day because I could put all of my attention on what I wanted to focus on without distraction. I could still think just fine about what I wanted to think about. It also started becoming clear that this veganawake character I saw myself as, wasn't real. It was like a fictional roll I had been playing for a long time. The settings and the scenery had changed over time, but the character was mostly the same. It became clearer and clearer over the next couple of years. It was a very radical experience especially being sober and level headed at the time. Later it was recognized there never was a veganawake character from the start. It only had seemed to be real. Buddhists I'm sure experience the self character Doing meditation and trying to Attain liberation. But it's an impossibe feat because the self character illusion never finds the peace and wholeness it's longing for. It's never satisfied. Nobody becomes liberated!

It's interesting to watch people functioning within their belief systems. How they experience life from a certain perspective and operate from that interpretation They can seem very immersed and invested in the game of life. Their bubble of reality is usually the center of the focus. Then you can watch yourself watching others and actually realize, there's not big difference, if any at all.

Truth = We are temporary organisms on a planet that sustains life. I would be very skeptical of anyone or any belief system claiming to know more than that.

This is similar to what I would describe as enlightenment. With enlightenment both perspectives are simultaneously the reality and clearly seen to have always been the case. It's understood why there seemed to be that experience of separation.

No Abiding Reality | The Ajata Project https://share.google/lPzt0g8rrQA0SdB2r

Well sure, survival seems to matter from a personal perspective. The fear of pain and death(unknown) is a very powerful emotion. Ultimately nothing matters though because every living organism will eventually die including you and me. Life seems to matter because the alternative, death, is unfamiliar and terrifying for most. Imo, a programed biological desire for survival doesn't necessarily make it important. Both tribes were going to die eventually no matter what. I mean, every single living being from that Era, is now dead........so what did it really matter?..........it didn't actually. It only seemed to matter temporarily. Makes no difference at all in the big picture.

Sometimes choices that seem correct at the time, are later realized to be incorrect. "Nothing mattering" loves preferences and choices. It's the freedom to choose x every time if you want. Wouldn't it be interesting to see the faces of people who spent their entire lives trying to save the planet, only to have a giant meteorite the size of Australia smash into planet earth at 118 times the speed of sound, vaporizing every living organism in an instant? Can you imagine watching that happen from a spaceship in outer space?

@Breakingthewall I get what you mean. I was just sharing the website, because I used to be stationed in the military near Robert Wolfe's home in Ojai, California. Apparently J. Krishnamurti also lived near by. Robert passed away in 2021. Imo, nothing is a recipe or guide to live by........not Ajata, Jim Newman, Tony Parsons, Ramana or Buddha. They are just pointing or attempting to expose something. Let me ask you a question. Did anything matter before you were born? Was anything meaningful or meaningless? When that body dies, do things still matter for the living?

@Breakingthewall It's pointing to impermanence and meaninglessness It's not necessarily a denial of current physical reality but it simultaneously is also. It's a denial of its permanence and meaning. Like a mirage or illusion, it ultimately lacks in reality regardless of the period of time in which it seems to be real. It's not to be logically understood because it's real and simultaneously unreal.

Check out this video, "tony parsons what is awakening" https://share.google/ogkilCQuPRXR6tuYN

I knew repeating over and over would eventually reap benefits 🤣

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It certainly helps to have a concensus on what enlightenment means.

The matrix is living with a guidance system of reality Liberation is recognizing thats bs 🤑

But at least I'm not talking about chickens and eggs 😋

All thats being said is if that Breakingthewall body dies, it's the end of all experience permanently. Its conscious awareness doesn't switch to being another body or being outside the body or anything like that. The physical body/mind is what upholds that "sense of being". So once the body dies, its simultaneously the end of the Breakingthewall character and its complete "sense of being". That awareness will be completely gone. It's already not there but even the illusion of being there will end. There won't even be the awareness of ever once existing. A total lights out infinitly

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There was actually quite a lot of investigating and juggling different perspectives/spiritual concepts between 2014 thru 2022. Lots of spiritual books read and hours of meditation/yoga also. I've taken LSD and eaten hallucinogenic mushrooms dozens of times between the ages of 16 and 19 yrs old. I understand you are an explorer of reality and a seeker of truth. I understand mostly everything I read of yours on this forum topic. We have a lot of similarities and I remember questioning a lot of the same topics I see you discuss on here. Have you thoroughly investigated the investigator? That desire to know, grasp or understand is coming from somewhere. Have you traced that seeking energy back to its source? You seem to have the main pointers of the so-called neo advaitian uncompromising message memorized. Have you actually looked closely within and for your self? Look for that frustrated character that thinks I'm close minded. What does "someone here" consist of?

You know if you don't like the answers or resonate with the communication, you don't need to respond. Just an idea 🤷‍♂️

I have 3 boys bro, 9, 12 and 14 and a girlfriend and 4 of my family members were here at my house visiting this week. I understand why you think thoughts and apparent answers are crucial. I mostly just respond to what seems to spark interest and resonates here.

Everything physically appearing is reality. That doesn't change at all, no matter what. THIS!!!! The only thing completely unreal is the "separate sense of self" and its conditioned imagination. The conditioned mind/sense of self/self illusion identifies and seemingly lives through the matrix of mind or filtered reality. It also overlays reality with a sense of Meaning, Purpose and Value and operates from that unsatisfied position of constant lack. It's never satisfied. It seeks endlessly for a better experience in the future. Yes, it's also considered a survival strategy, but nonetheless, it causes an incredible amount of suffering which is mostly unnoticed until it stops. Like being habitually unsatisfied for 25 years........it's not even recognized as an issue for most.

Look closely for that which is convinced. Who or what is convinced? What is "I’m"? What does it consist of?

There's nobody stuck though. The self illusion is the stickiness/prison Assuming there is a limited local self that is stuck in its belief system, is exactly what's being pointed out as illusory. Awakening is the end of an apparent someone believing in a relative or absolute reality. The human bodies have senses and can also develop spiritually conditioned imaginations such as that body over there. Identification as that body/spirituality conditioned imagination, is the cause of the delusion! It may continue chasing delusional concepts until body death.

It's a delusional spiritual fantasy or egoic imagination. Delusion is always an addition of something. A religion/belief/concept/egoic imagination/spiritual ego Awakening is a subtraction or unknowing. All these ridiculous human beliefs stemming from fear, are recognized as total bs. When all the conditioned nonsense is dropped(matrix), only reality remains!