VeganAwake

All bodies die. There isn't a you, me or them inside of these bodies. The human bodies are empty, just like a deer or cows body is empty. There isn't a self or higher self or soul or spirit inside or outside of these bodies. Nothing. The identification of being this, that or the other, is a self referential misunderstanding or self illusion. It's not wrong or ignorant to carry beliefs. The self illusion only knows what its taught and or assumes. Most self illusions are conditioned with dozens or even hundreds of learned beliefs. Usually a lot of deep seeded religious one's at that. But when this entire conditioned paradigm(matrix) is shattered or collapses(awakening), it becomes super obvious just how ridiculous/silly or imaginative these belief systems actually were. It's laughable and surprising just how real they had been taken for truth at one point. Similar to being surrounded by water your entire life, it doesn't even register what dry land could be or feel like until plop, your pulled out and dropped on your head onto dry land. 🫨 That's why it's called awakening. In a sleep dream everything seems true and real and happening to you because there is simply nothing else, until waking up occurs.

We are just like the grass growing and the salmon spawning, just like a wildfire or disease spreading. It's not crucial or important. It just happens. It doesn't matter if it continues or stops. It doesn't matter if reality is understood or not, or if you keep trying The fame and fortune won't matter or eating healthy and exercising. The meditation, yoga and spiritual practices neither. Nothing will save us, not knowing, not enlightenment, not not knowing It's totally hopeless, but in this understanding there is also a sense of relief, a relaxation glimpse, a sense of unconditional freedom maybe. An invitation to inevitable hopeless freedom

The process initially had nothing to do with us until it seemingly did. No one or thing to blame 🤷

Aww that's sweet they care about your well being. Cherish it bro. I totally hear ya though!

Thinking with the socially conditioned mind only created more confusion and questions. Like trying to find an exact location using the wrong map for that territory But when that way of thinking ended, these claims became obvious.

Anything can seem to matter temporarily, like avoiding physical/emotional pain. Ultimately though, the amount of pain and pleasure experienced during life, doesn't matter upon death.

Yes I was referring to body death. Could self illusion/ego be that which believes in a higher power doing everything?

Fake motivation has actually been proven to gradually motivate the individual and others involved. Just pretending to be overly excited about something can actually increase peoples real motivational levels on the subject/activity.

Interesting to hear non-duality referred to as a teaching. The words meaning is pointing to everything as one without a second, all encompassing, nothing excluded. It insinuates the bodies natural tendency to separate, categorize, individualize, personalize and attempt to control its surroundings is just an egoic survival strategy/instinct the body develops from birth. There's nothing right or wrong with it. Nonduality is just pointing out that that sense of being a separate self is ultimately illusory. At a certain time in human evolution it was crucial and it is still significant to a certain extent today regarding the body's survival. The apparent issue is that sense of self/survival mechanism doesn't have an adjustable switch. It just runs rampant like the energizer bunny. It takes over and becomes an entity in of itself. It creates a rather threatening, scary, self centered experience of reality. (matrix) A nondual awakening would imply a recognition or seeing through these mechanisms of illusory separation.

Yep, Nothing actually needs to be surrendered because it's already not there. There isn't a someone/something in which could surrender. There isn't a someone/something to be surrendered. No surrenderer and no surrendered. It's not a future surrendering event which has to take place first. This is already enlightenment. The believer/meditator/knower/realizer, isn't there now. This is already freedom and unconditional love.

He is describing authentic awakening details. Meaning purpose and value are clearly seen through I don't understand his motivation to teach. I think that body must like it!

Sounds like a fictional story from the Chronicles of Inflated Ego Land 🤔

Everything is already "what it is" prior to anything/anyone labeling it as "True or False". There can be misunderstandings about reality............but it doesn't change anything 🤷‍♂️

Ahh, the do nothing practice. Ego's will turn anything into a spiritual practice.....even doing nothing 🤑

The self construct is supposed to be the prison wall in this metaphor. Watch example at 15:15

The fear of death

Enlightenment throws the baby out with the bathwater though! It's the end of delusion and perspective, because it's the end of that which could become diluted and have a perspective. Or rather it's the clear recognition that it never even started. The knower of these so-called rigid belief systems, dogmas, relative perspectives and absolute truths.........is gone with the wind 😳

There is a biological body, but that which would claim that it transcended the social ego is still the self illusion. Both social ego and that which says "I've transcended" is the same self illusion 😳 It's often referred to as spiritual ego.......it's essentially the same self illusion but disguised as the true self which transcended the small self........nope, still just same self illusion 😅

Yes that is exactly what the "sense of self" can seem to feel like,.......a long drawn out process being constantly updated by societal conditioning (surroundings) What's being said is that can end. That solid feeling of a "someone" being continuously reconstructed can stop. And when it does, it's simultaneously recognized to have never actually started. It's an energetic shift away from upholding that "needy reconstructing self illusion". Its permanent and not anything like a passing nondual state, personal awakening experience or drug indused no self glimpse. It's very rare. Infact since about 2018 I've only noticed maybe 2 people on this forum, and 7 or 8 others in total, clearly talking about what I'm describing here. It's unknowing because its the end of the knower which never actually existed. It's unconditional freedom for nobody which was already the case ❤️

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Who is writing this topic? What makes up the Hyperion character? Like literally, what does it consist of? Can it be located? I'm not talking about the physical body of Hyperion, I'm asking about the character. I'm asking about the thinker of thoughts. Who or what wants to become enlightened? What is that?

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There isn't an "I" now that knows itself, so there won't be one later either! That which seems to know itself currently, is self illusion 🤔

Step far enough out of line in the animal kingdom or society, and face the consequences of the masses. "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you"