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There isn't an "I" now that knows itself, so there won't be one later either! That which seems to know itself currently, is self illusion 🤔

Step far enough out of line in the animal kingdom or society, and face the consequences of the masses. "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you"

Yeah, Even calling it "consequences" is to much. There's just what seems to happen, and then there's conditioned stories created about these happenings, giving everything a false narrative about whatever lol "Dream Story" or "Matrix" or "Maya"

@Cathy92506 It can't be described because it's the end of the self construct with all its descriptions. It's a loss of something that wasn't real for nobody 🤯 so it's not a real loss. Nothing actually happens! It's the end of seeking for something better because there's no one left needing things to be a certain way. An empty clarity that simultaneously feels full because it's empty. (kind of like a satisfied minimalist) only nobody reaping the benefits of being satisfied. Empty and full is an attempt to describe it, only it's not an it!

Find something to celebrate everyday. At least you don't have testicular cancer. 🤷‍♂️

At its core, everyone is afraid of death and desperately looking for a solution. Both are subtle attempts to avoid death..........that's why it sells so well Some would say it's an attempt to discover the truth......but they believe the truth will set them free, which kinda sounds like avoiding death. Fear of the unknown is a very very powerful emotion. Lots of money to be made in diminishing people's fear.

I get it!!! The self illusion wants reality and or liberation to be a big mystical experience with fireworks and balloons. It actually can be quite an ordinary recognition. 🤷‍♂️ "There isn't a you or a me"

The belief of being infinite or immortal is just a thought process, stemming from the spirituality conditioned human. That which believes itself to be infinite/immortal is an illusion. It's already not real. It's already death. The body dies and nothing goes on living because the body is empty. Nothing is happening inside of you, nothing is happening outside of you.......THERE JUST NEVER WAS A YOU PERIOD!!!!! The appearance of apparent reality or THIS is unknowable. Not because it cant be endlessly put in a box & described and studied by different humans. But because it's infinite. The human mind simply cannot figure out something with no limits, no known beginning or ending. Nobody was there to witness it's beginning (if there even was one) and nobody will be there to witness its ending (if there is one) Infinity isn't an identification. The very concept of identification is man-made. No one is infinite or immortal because no one is real! Body will die.......that which wants to identify as infinity is already death. Illusions aren't immortal because they were never real from the start! It's a tricky illusion because it really feels like there is an over arching witness to it all.........I get it!!! There isn't!

Then you're actually a prisoner of life. Not being able to die is a limit? Sorry 😞

The conditioned mind turns a meaningless appearance into a dream story (matrix) of meaning, purpose and value. When there seems to be identification as the thinker, it's called an experience. The appearance is full in the sense that it's bursting with light, colors, smells and sounds! & The appearance is empty in the sense that it's completely meaningless!

I think you may have misunderstood some of what was said/meant. This body's first memories were also around 5 or 6 yrs old. Nothing prior! Born from a female human being, just like every other body. Here, the apparent experience of consciousness is just the body's conditioned imagination coupled with the senses; sight, sound, smell, taste, feel. Not all of reality or universal consciousness or something like that. So when the body dies, it will simultaneously be the end of the experience of consciousness and or a conscious observer.

In that sense there WAS apparent formed existence prior to your birth from your parents that birthed you and their parents to them...etc...etc....and all other biological creatures and such. But there's nobody in the body that knows that. It's just obvious from watching how existence survives and reproduces currently. If the body awakens and feels refreshed, it's just obvious that it most likely slept well. Contrary to popular belief, there doesn't need to be a "what/who/witness/knower", for something to just be obvious. When the "sense of self/the knower" is recognized to have never been real, there are still memories of how silly and conditioned "its" illusory belief systems actually were. There is no more confusion about incarnation or reincarnation, heaven or hell, god or satan, good or evil, because it's now obvious that these were just ridiculous stories created and passed down from generation to generation in an attempt to create meaning and purpose and a sense knowing and groundedness..............btw, humans are the only creatures that desperately need there to be meaning and purpose..........all other creatures just go about their days existing. Nobody knows the origin of life and even if we did, it still wouldn't matter. That body, this body, every body will eventually be dust in the wind. There is no hope which is simultaneously the freedom longed for but which is only recognized upon Samadhi or the collapse of the self illusion!

What is me? What does me consist of?

The sense of self tries to grasp and know and take ownership of all understanding. But its not a real entity. It's unknowing. Nobody gets it.

Bingo says no one👌

It wasn't there prior to birth. It's dependent on bodily function. It can collapse even while the body is still alive (meditation, deep sleep, awakening, brain trauma)

@CARDOZZO It's worse than that! That which feels like survival is a bitch, isn't really there! The body would find food/water and shelter and would survive just fine! The self illusion is the conditioned and unsatisfied energy that suffers during survival!

There's not even a mind game, there just seems to be 🤣 The body survives but there's nobody inside of it struggling to do so, it just seems to be 😳

So the self illusion runs the body around endlessly jumping from spiritual practice to spiritual practice, religion to religion, belief to belief. It constantly seeks for a way to avoid death. It's biggest issue is death. It desperately chases religion, materialism and spiritual materialism in an effort to distract itself and avoid confronting that it's going to die. It simply cannot stop seeking and except it's own unreality and except that body death is right around the corner, and there's no stopping it! No matter how good any belief system sounds, the body is still going to die, that sense of self is going to disappear permanently.

Life isn't important or precious or meaningful or valuable. When death occurs, there won't be a you left to even know if your life mattered or not. There won't be a you that knew it once lived. There actually isn't one now, there just seems to be. That which is concerned about death is already death 😳

But there's no real need and no real way the body could prepare for death. Body death is the end of body life.........how could it be prepared for? The only preparation would be a form of mental preparation created by the self illusion. There are simply no preparations for death during life, nor does there need to be. When the body dies, so will the self illusion that believed in the importance of preparation 🤣

Nothing goes on existing eternally because nothing is existing temporarily. This is what enlightenment illuminates. It's also what "to die before you die" and "nobody becomes enlightened" is referring to. Enlightenment is the end of that conditioned "me character" trying to attain it. It's the end of something that was never real, it was an illusion. It's the end of knowing because it's the end of the knower.

Do you think you could just be identifying as "eternal reality" to escape the agonizing fear of death? Just like how a christian believes their soul will live forever in the kingdom of heaven after body death.

The kingdom of heaven is already everything. Everything is already religion, it's just people don't see it!

It's not! But ego's wants never become satisfied, but that isn't wrong or bad......it's just the way the cookie crumbles