VeganAwake

At its core, everyone is afraid of death and desperately looking for a solution. Both are subtle attempts to avoid death..........that's why it sells so well Some would say it's an attempt to discover the truth......but they believe the truth will set them free, which kinda sounds like avoiding death. Fear of the unknown is a very very powerful emotion. Lots of money to be made in diminishing people's fear.

In that sense there WAS apparent formed existence prior to your birth from your parents that birthed you and their parents to them...etc...etc....and all other biological creatures and such. But there's nobody in the body that knows that. It's just obvious from watching how existence survives and reproduces currently. If the body awakens and feels refreshed, it's just obvious that it most likely slept well. Contrary to popular belief, there doesn't need to be a "what/who/witness/knower", for something to just be obvious. When the "sense of self/the knower" is recognized to have never been real, there are still memories of how silly and conditioned "its" illusory belief systems actually were. There is no more confusion about incarnation or reincarnation, heaven or hell, god or satan, good or evil, because it's now obvious that these were just ridiculous stories created and passed down from generation to generation in an attempt to create meaning and purpose and a sense knowing and groundedness..............btw, humans are the only creatures that desperately need there to be meaning and purpose..........all other creatures just go about their days existing. Nobody knows the origin of life and even if we did, it still wouldn't matter. That body, this body, every body will eventually be dust in the wind. There is no hope which is simultaneously the freedom longed for but which is only recognized upon Samadhi or the collapse of the self illusion!

What is me? What does me consist of?

The sense of self tries to grasp and know and take ownership of all understanding. But its not a real entity. It's unknowing. Nobody gets it.

Bingo says no one👌

It wasn't there prior to birth. It's dependent on bodily function. It can collapse even while the body is still alive (meditation, deep sleep, awakening, brain trauma)

@CARDOZZO It's worse than that! That which feels like survival is a bitch, isn't really there! The body would find food/water and shelter and would survive just fine! The self illusion is the conditioned and unsatisfied energy that suffers during survival!

There's not even a mind game, there just seems to be 🤣 The body survives but there's nobody inside of it struggling to do so, it just seems to be 😳

So the self illusion runs the body around endlessly jumping from spiritual practice to spiritual practice, religion to religion, belief to belief. It constantly seeks for a way to avoid death. It's biggest issue is death. It desperately chases religion, materialism and spiritual materialism in an effort to distract itself and avoid confronting that it's going to die. It simply cannot stop seeking and except it's own unreality and except that body death is right around the corner, and there's no stopping it! No matter how good any belief system sounds, the body is still going to die, that sense of self is going to disappear permanently.

Life isn't important or precious or meaningful or valuable. When death occurs, there won't be a you left to even know if your life mattered or not. There won't be a you that knew it once lived. There actually isn't one now, there just seems to be. That which is concerned about death is already death 😳

But there's no real need and no real way the body could prepare for death. Body death is the end of body life.........how could it be prepared for? The only preparation would be a form of mental preparation created by the self illusion. There are simply no preparations for death during life, nor does there need to be. When the body dies, so will the self illusion that believed in the importance of preparation 🤣

Nothing goes on existing eternally because nothing is existing temporarily. This is what enlightenment illuminates. It's also what "to die before you die" and "nobody becomes enlightened" is referring to. Enlightenment is the end of that conditioned "me character" trying to attain it. It's the end of something that was never real, it was an illusion. It's the end of knowing because it's the end of the knower.

Do you think you could just be identifying as "eternal reality" to escape the agonizing fear of death? Just like how a christian believes their soul will live forever in the kingdom of heaven after body death.

The kingdom of heaven is already everything. Everything is already religion, it's just people don't see it!

It's not! But ego's wants never become satisfied, but that isn't wrong or bad......it's just the way the cookie crumbles

Sounds like a personal behavior issue. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe anything. But I get what you mean 🤷‍♂️

It's also for saying I hate you, punching, smiling, burning biblical transcripts, fighting each other with a shit load of expectations! Yup its that free 😁

Conditioned society and its constructs or parameters is like the external matrix. Internal matrix is more like the deep seeded belief systems taught to someone at a young age. An example would be like someone that believes it's wrong in the eyes of the lord to engage in premarital sex and may feel guilty and or conflicted about that if they had. Or Someone that believes it's their god given duty to solve world hunger and works tirelessly to send enough donation money each month and would feel extreme guilt upon failure to meet their self created goal. In a broad sense the term matrix is just simply referring to the experience of the conditioned self illusion living within conditioned society!

Haha yup, I use, self/ego/no self/self illusion/sense of self/separate self/self construct, all interchangeably.

Ego/self illusion, would never destroy itself. It wants to reap all the benefits of everything including enlightenment.

It's completely normal. Being problematic or not is just perspective. It can be recognized that this needy egoic structure that wants this knowledge is completely illusory though. But its not ego that recognizes it and eliminates itself, it's nothingness 😳

Basically when the self illusion dies, everything just becomes obvious. The body just feels more relaxed than it did before when it was running around in the matrix of self illusion and doing things according to its conditioned societal upbringing. Here it's obvious that there is no god or satan; heaven or hell; incarnation or reincarnation; no higher or lower authority or universal purpose or meaning. It's incredibly easy to recognize that all these beliefs and concepts are just fictional human made stories. Religion, spirituality, societal structure..........it's all BS.......totally made up crap. It's freedom from all that stuff! It's shocking and hilarious when it's seen clearly!

Nothingness was referring to the self-illusion which identifies as being the whole of reality there. Another name for that self-illusion is spiritual ego. It's not really there, it's nothingness in disguse as being everything. Reality doesn't have an identification crisis like conditioned humans. That Breakingthewall body over there is a tiny insignificant piece of reality, it's not the whole. Laying an illusory blanket of conditioned beliefs overtop of reality to suit the spiritual ego's false agenda, doesn't make it true. There isn't a "You" in which could be the whole of reality and never will be. I can assure you of this. It's not an opinion, it's a blatant fact. The self-illusion there has been bamboozled by some kind of egoic spiritual nonsense that sounded good. That is not Enlightenment. Thats delusions of a very strong and persistent spiritual ego that will fight tooth and nail to stay in control. The physical bodies that write back and forth on this forum are real, just like deer, bear, rabbit, fox, birds, trees.....etc...etc... It's that which identifies as being "the whole of reality" which is completely unreal

Nothingness