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We are just like the grass growing and the salmon spawning, just like a wildfire or disease spreading. It's not crucial or important. It just happens. It doesn't matter if it continues or stops. It doesn't matter if reality is understood or not, or if you keep trying The fame and fortune won't matter or eating healthy and exercising. The meditation, yoga and spiritual practices neither. Nothing will save us, not knowing, not enlightenment, not not knowing It's totally hopeless, but in this understanding there is also a sense of relief, a relaxation glimpse, a sense of unconditional freedom maybe. An invitation to inevitable hopeless freedom

Of course it's going to feel that way because "you" believe there is a real "someone here" pushing their belief system over yours. It feels threatening because there has been a lot of time invested and energy spent there building an air tight theory armored with numerous defense/escape tactics. This story you've created though is a typical spiritual ego story. It feels resentment for its lack of awakening/attainment and understanding. So out of frustration, its made up its own theory using circular logic and twisting the meanings of words to make it difficult to challenge. ("I am everything" why? "Because I said so") Its intelligent manipulation, great with words, but easily seen through! Its actually low self esteem, narcissism and defiance disorder driving that dream story machine over there. It simply can't fathom that it's own stories and belief systems stem from an internal self illusion phenomenon. It will continue to push these ridiculous stories until it's death. But its not important for this to be recognized. Doesn't matter in any way whatsoever!

Is it possible that this whole theory is just simply a very creative and self righteous imagination using circular logic/self validation tactics to superimpose its theory onto reality and others, and then attempting to operate from that perspective? It definitely gets an A+ for effort and creativity. It's still not important, even if it was the case. It's importance stems from the socially conditioned matrix of mind.

Yes, it certainly feels like there is a real conscious being, observing and experiencing reality from a dual subject/object perspective. Trace this recognition/experience backwards to its source. Where is it coming from? What is it exactly, that is claiming to have these experiences? What does it consist of?

If the first delusion isn't seen through, there will be endless delusions to work through. It will seem like a lot of progress is being made. Like unknowingly using a map of the wrong territory to guide you. The seeking may never end because it will always feel like something is missing and needs to be found. Look at what's looking for something.

😁 yup, beyond ridiculous I guess I shouldn't shit on my stomping ground though

He's hyper focused on the word "self" ......I think it was more than a wall that broke! 🤷‍♂️

It's absolutely meaningless and unconditional. There isn't a goal or purpose needing to be met. Nothing required and everything welcomed. Nothing needs to happen or not happen. And so in that sense, the so-called non-delusional life doesn't need to be recognized/lived. The awakened reality and the matrix are identical for 2 reasons. 1) The matrix is an internal illusory experience, leaving only awakened reality as real. 2) They are equally meaningless because when the body/mind organism dies, the memory of ever existing dissolves with it regardless of its prior way of life.

Definitely 👊 & Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Gotcha, Yeah, it's a nonhappening. Which is why it's often compared to being "like a dream". The dream characters seem to live out their lives from birth to death, dealing with numerous emotions, trials and tribulations and overall good and bad experiences throughout their lifetime. There seems to be a someone experiencing everything, but its actually nobody experiencing anything It's just too radical. Very very rarely is the experiences validity even questioned. & It doesn't matter at all whether or not this entire ridiculous phenomenon is seen through, because the difference isn't real. It only seems to be 🤯

I'm not sure what you mean by awareness. Here the word awareness feels like it implies or insinuates that there is a someone or something that is aware and or experiencing apparent reality. What's being said here, is that experience of something/someone witnessing, being aware of or experiencing, is completely illusory! I'm not saying the physical human body is illusory. It seems to experience apparent reality with its 5 senses and conditioned mind/imagination. Similarly to a deer or bear or fox. What's being said is that human body is empty. There isn't a real "you or me" inside of it, and that which believes there is more going on than that, or believes itself to be infinite and aware, is the self illusion.

In this case the seeing through the self, is referring to the end of identification as the thinker and experiencer. It's recognizing that the entire framework of the thinking mind was constructed under the false premise of there being an owner or controller of it. A self referential conditioning!

😅 maybe I should have just listened and not watched. I will take your word for it though!

I will never forget the moment this finger here pressed play on this video. I never knew you had such hate for me! 🤣 I feel like I may have acquired a sexually transmitted disease from just clicking on the play button!

MMA is to Fighting what Nonduality is to Spirituality

Maybe it's the thrill of the chase/search and the mysteriousness of the key that intises!

When there was identification as a self, it seemed like there was a constant and desperate need to find the answers to everything. The 5 w's; who, what, when, where, why It needed to discover the truth about everything, and it was the perfect self for the task!

What if you had never heard or learned about ego. Would it still feel/seem like there was a different context of self?

No mind; no self; unknowing; nothingness; liberation; enlightenment, are all pointing to the same thing The end of experiencing/perceiving reality through the conditioned mind Understanding that something vastly infinite, cannot ever be fully grasped by something limited It could be named, labeled and described endlessly for infinite lifetimes In that sense it's unknowable

Then that's what's being experienced there! It's whole, complete and perfect. There is no issue here with that or what anyone else you mentioned believes or has said 🙏

Because I was trying to poke at the self-illusion over there.......👉, trying to get it fired up.....make it more obvious. The self and ego you are describing is the same illusion. The ego runs deeper and is more prevalent than you're giving it credit. It's that which is shaping the perception there.

The "self" is that Breakingthewall character that believes itself to be all of reality. That which places certain spiritual figures on a pedestal to idolize, and simultaneously disregards others that dont seem to match its parameters of belief. Its that character that feels threatened when it's belief system is put into question and then doubles down to secure its foundational delusions of grandiose. Circular logic is one of its most used survival strategies. It sounds secure enough in its beliefs, but it is actually deathly afraid of looking inwards and recognizing its own unreality. It's that which feels its got so much to loose because of how much spiritual knowledge it believes it has gained over the years. It believes itself to be fairly high up on the spiritual ladder and is deeply invested in identifying as that character that knows.

Sincere misunderstanding due to partial or incomplete awakening experience. If the survival strategy/identification game of the self illusion isn’t recognized clearly, I would describe it as incomplete.

I would guess it probably just started off as a story, but then after gaining some popular belief, it was realized it could be used to manipulate and control behavior.