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3 years ago I would have said there batshit crazy... Post Awakening they're the only ones that make any sense... ? Interesting fact: Robert Wolfe told me over the phone that Tony Parsons is a great teacher... Just sayin ?

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the (Father's) domain]." Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death." - Gospel of Thomas

Thx 4 sharing ❤ ?

Really good enquiry ❤ Have 'you' recognized the difference between intellectually understanding there is no self and actually seeing for 'yourself' that its an illusion? This can become a detachment trap for some is why I mention it. Because what's recognized is there wasn't anything real to detach from in the first place. It was simply a misidentification. Sounds like you may have already seen and recognized it isn't real...gd 4 u ?

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It's unknowable because the questionnaire turns out to be unreal!!

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The collapsing of the illusion of self... So Enlightenment is a non happening...

@mandyjw ❤ yes he's sincerely authentic.

Yep its not personal

@Someone here ❤ everything you said sounds reasonable... it will settle down. I had a good feeling about you even though your forum name is Someone here ? ?

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Yep the seriousness goes bye-bye and meaning purpose and value are recognized as mere ridiculous concepts. ?

Exactly it doesn't matter in any way at all...❤

I understand what you're saying ❤ I use ego and sense of 'self' interchangeably. The ego is nothing more than a bundle of past knowledge labels thoughts perceptions beliefs and ideas identified with as the separate sense of 'ME' within the body. There's no need to attempt to shrink it or kill it... rather see it for what it is. Yes the sun is always shining bright even if there appears to be stormy thought clouds in front of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing you are Pure Awareness, the absolute Consciousness... it is whole complete and perfect and is what is being experienced there. ❤

@Dodo That's wonderful if 'you' believe/notice it's true... Just recognize that noticing does not matter in any way at all.. it has absolutely no effect on existence. You could believe it's a fart cloud created by aliens to keep us interested in something... and that belief still wouldn't matter to existence in any way at all... Can you see the limitations of identifying with thought. Whether something is true or not has no outcome and in that sense doesn't matter. The trees do not grow taller the grass does not grow greener the birds do not fly higher. There's no special secret knowledge out there to be attained... that's the dream. ❤

Freedom is the closest word.

Enlightenment is the case when the individual trying to experience it dies. Doesn't that sound swell ?

Nice inquiry ? Yes and if the one that is apparently aware of awareness turns out to be a thought, where does that leave us?

Even if it was so, that apparent knowing doesn't matter in any way at all. Anyone can make a statement about what consciousness is or is not. It doesn't effect apparent existence and in that sense it's not special... there's no meaning purpose or value in believing in ever conscious awareness.

The ever awakened consciousness of the knower is nothing more than the bodily functions and imagination. For example what is the knower actually aware of? If you look closely it's just a bundle of concepts ideas thoughts beliefs and perceptions identified with as the knower. You aren't aware of what's happening at the neighbors house right now; you aren't aware of what's happening at the Fast Stop gas station in Okinawa Japan; you aren't aware of what's happening at the Port Hueneme Transportation yard in California. The so-called ever awakened consciousness only goes as far as what is directly observed by the human body, learned along the way and imagined....that's it.... I mean it's a cool story and sounds really spiritual, it's just not real unfortunately....

The knower is the dream character...

Yes truth is a word created within everything... And everything can never be pinpointed or hung on a nail...

Whatever you do never toot while perfectly upright on a flat surface during deep meditation... it blew out the O ring in sphincter Section 5.

This was 'me' during the first week of chasing enlightenment ?