VeganAwake

Who would surrender? What it sounds like your saying is, the real self needs to surrender the false self. But this isn't the case! There isn't two you's......there isn't even one you. Both are the same self illusion. The very word surrender implies that its real and requires surrendering. It's not real from the start, so how could it be surrendered, and by who? It's not an action. It's a recognition. But its a clear recognition that seemingly disrupts the energy used to uphold this illusory self construct.

When the self illusion/me is dying (nothing actually dies because it isn't real) it desperately attempts to identity as something it has learned about from the matrix......like higher self, infinite consciousness, true self, the self, god....etc....etc See, it doesn't want to go bye bye. It wants to be the knower, it wants to be enlightened, it wants to be special. This new illusory identity is often referred to as spiritual ego. But when this silly fiasco/identity crisis of illusion is CLEARLY seen through.......there isn't any energy left to sustain its new illusory identification. The veil has been lifted........there is nothing left to uphold this new attempted self construct. The body can feel very disoriented or ungrounded.......like free floating. Its freedom from the sticky/needy self illusion.........but it isn't for anyone! Nobody becomes enlightened and is now walking around identified as an enlightened being........if this is the case, the self illusion is still fully intact. It requires crystal clear recognition for that identification energy to dissipate fully! It's very rare. It can feel like a death of sorts. The dream story/matrix never was. Later it's recognized that nothing actually happened. Something that was never real from the start dies essentially......which equates to = nothing happened. What remains is nothing being everything and everything being nothing, as it always was.

Can't get stuck in a belief if you never had one from the start!

No, But if you stop listening and believing altogether, there's nothing left to get stuck in 🤷‍♂️

Heavy is the head that wears the crown 👑

No you're not enlightened because enlightenment is the end of the questioner!

Non sleeping/non observing? Sure bud 👍

Yes yes finally!! 🙌 And only after 3 1/2 years Hallelujah, Hallelujah, hall-----el----ujahhhhhh 🤣

Even the slightest smidgen of feeling like there is an infinite observer is still being completely asleep. It's ego hanging on for dear life!

Yep, But that subtle "sense of infinite being"........"the witness to it all" ........is also illusory! That sense of "being the witness to it all" dies with body........no witness here now or after body death 😳

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@CARDOZZO Your definitely onto something that could be life changing. Paradoxically when completeness is deeply felt/recognized, making changes can seem effortless. The self-illusion or self construct is endlessly needy. It never becomes satisfied. It's survival strategy is "more more more" which translates to dissatisfaction and can cause suffering. Something deeper is recognizing this ridiculous seeking fiasco circle jerk. Keep looking into it 👊

Your welcome! Yeah that sounds like a difficult situation. Have you ever considered joining The Netherlands Armed Forces as a musician 🤔 That could possibly be a way to support yourself and possibly your family as well

No, nothing is necessarily bad/good/wrong/right. There can be an end to the identification as the unsatisfied thinker, but its very rare!

Psychedelics can help create different paths or ways of thinking, so can alcohol, marijuana, art....etc..etc.. No need to keep using substances over and over again in my experience! You sound like an out of the box thinker already! You're good! The only way you can find out what you really want to do is through experience. Or you can just dive into something and stick with it. Nobody can tell you the answer because there isn't a 1 answer fits. The things you described are not separate categories.... They might seem that way, but they are not...... It's all life! Like the old saying "where there's a will, there's a way" Ego always wants to know everything and have the advantage. There's no secret truth or better way of living life........free yourself from that belief and do what makes you happy and fulfilled......or don't! It ultimately doesn't matter ❤️

How does someone avoid life? 🤔 Everything IS life including attempting to avoid it 😅 That's like someone trying to avoid breathing oxygen. Nothing matters! So-called spiritual bypassing doesn't matter. There's no actual path which needs to be walked. So-called avoiding doesn't matter. Spearheading your fears and coming face to face with life's greatest challenges doesn't matter. Its hilarious because enlightenment reveals that nothing ultimately matters, yet on the so-called spiritual journey to attain it, everything seems to matter. But its not for anyone. It's the end of that someone that wants to become enlightened.

You think so? That's interesting! What I see is people throwing their conditioned belief blanket overtop of reality and attempting to function from that perspective......... Jim calls it the Dream Story......I prefer Matrix 🤷‍♂️ https://youtube.com/shorts/64EYwyOVWSQ?si=YByFIleko7zMd5A9

Whether or not death is already the case, doesn't matter at all! Changing around names of words or concepts doesn't effect reality. Calling something green instead of black doesn't change how it functions. Calling something death or consciousness has zero impact on what it already is. Calling reality GOD or THIS makes no difference. Nothing needs to be done. There's no ultimate goal. Nothing needs to be understood, recognized or attained. And simultaneously anything can happen. But it's total and complete already. Nothing is missing! How could anything be missing from everything? A conditioned humans opinion about what they believe reality to be, doesn't make it that. Reality is already itself. It doesn't need anything. It doesn't require a cool spiritual name or a unanimous understanding. It's unconditional freedom already but you're more than welcome to call it turkey poop also.....doesn't matter at all.....nothing matters!!! Reality is complete alive, raw Anarchy...... There's no certain way reality is SUPPOSED to be. Whatever is happening is what it's going to be, regardless of personal opinions and wants. Reality never promised fairness, or peace and tranquility. It never promised transparency and understanding. Nobody had a choice of weather or not to come and be a part of reality.......it just happened! So here we are. It's in our face happening now, so what the fuck are we all looking for?

Nobody becomes enlightened. Enlightenment is the end of the illusory identity attempting to become enlightened. Rather its the end of an identity that never even began.......it just seemed to!

It's so immediate and on the surface, that it's completely overlooked. It's been referred to as "An Open Secret". It's surprisingly obvious and simultaneously not, so I understand what you mean.

Yup, Nothing is absolute! 👍

There can be quite a variation in the meaning of the words: suffering & funny from one perspective to the next.

Infinity is speaking to infinity not a you or I 🤪

Good vs Bad/Right vs Wrong/True vs False are just socially conditioned concepts. There isn't a higher dictator or god figure imposing these beliefs down onto the human population or anything like that........societal conditioning does that.......AKA: scared humans Also something that seems bad at the time can later be realized as good. And something that seems false at the time can later be realized as true. So it's unknowable.......nobody can't predict the long term outcome of anything period. What's bad for one can be great for another. One man's trash is another man's treasure 🤑 Can't come to a real conclusion on anything using a faulty measuring system lol.

It's actually a pair