VeganAwake

And that's perfect whole & complete ❤ This thread was really just an attempt to point out how conditioned the mind is. Even the thought that the dogs should be running around humping without human involvement is also a conditioned thought. We are the conditioning and simultaneously not ❤

Existence already knows what to do, your jealousy and or conditioned thoughts are getting in the way. Get out of your own way ?

It's wonderful and simultaneously lacks any meaning value or purpose whatsoever. ❤

So there is a conditioned thought identified with there that thinks lots of hungry bastard dogs is a negative thing. Without the **** blocking... Lots of hungry humping dogs would be the case But I get what you're saying and yes there's nothing right or wrong with anything ❤

BTW... you're not going to think your way to enlightenment. Enlightenment is the recognition there never was a thinker of thoughts...❤

Empty Glass be the neutral watcher

And notice that's just another thought. A futile attempt to not give meaning to thought. Just Be watchful of the thoughts

Exactly just thoughts running rampid ?

@Someone here Who is asking? & Who doesn't know? What is that?

The freedom is in the recognition that there was nothing that needed to be done in the beginning. Everything has already been whole complete & perfect all along. And it's that way because that's what's happening ❤

Watch them run around, rushing to the gym and grocery store. Listen to them giving there conditioned responses to the boss. Stop and notice everyone running the rat race lost in thought. There under a spell completely caught up and identified. Notice how their thoughts drag them around like slaves. Become a watcher. And watch your own conditioned patterns of thought arise. Where is it leading you? Why is it taking you there? Who is listening to it?

Also there's nothing wrong with anything including being drug around by thoughts.... because the only thing that would say there's something right or wrong with it is just another conditioned thought. This is why it's already Paradise it's already freedom. There isn't any way to be and there's nothing right or wrong with anything. This recognition is liberation ❤

I know what you mean and this is where it's hard to relate sometimes because after Awakening it's recognized the individual that believed it needed to be more conscious or improve its situation by doing Shadow work was never real in the first place and that whole thought of self-improvement dissolves or becomes not applicable. ❤

Yes sometimes you can hear something a hundred times, and then one day it's like a paradigm shift and it becomes understood from a different angle.... and it's like oh that's what was meant by that phrase. ❤

What truth are you talking about?

Well what's being pointed to, is that which thinks IT may be a factory cow in the next life is an illusory identification made possible by boundless energy. So that personalized ME within the body is not alive or dead, it actually never was real in the first place.

Nothing dies AND nothing goes on living because there already isn't a YOU. It's some kind of boundless smart energy that also has the ability to constrict itself creating an individual experience within the body.

It's the unconditioning of mind. The recognition that meaning purpose and value are mere learned illusory concepts/a conditioned thought process.

Good question and It's kind of a tough question...and I think it varies. Because helping could also include the identification with thought which often leads to suffering. And the inner desire to change these patterns. Here there was what seemed to be an about-face or 180 degree flip of the mind in on itself and a recognition that it just didn't know the answers. Later it almost seemed as if the thoughts recognized their own limitations and the futility of trying to know. Almost like a humble mind. Of course all of this is just a description of what seemed to have taken place here.... it's a wild ride ❤

Like Leo says "awareness alone is curative" Understanding this is the grace or unconditional love for humanity. We are born into conditioning plain and simple. Some move towards disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as the 'ME'. Others believe the answer is hidden in the tangle jungle up ahead. Either way it's all THIS and simply can't be missed ❤

? A nice steady underlying flow of peace regardless of external circumstance... but then again sometimes I like a little chaos lol.

Well it's kind of misleading. Enlightenment is beyond the typical ideas of happiness vs sadness. The constant grasping for pleasure and avoidance of pain is itself inner resistance. So in a sense it could be said Enlightenment is the acceptance of all emotions, and that acceptance is the peace of mind or the happiness which is longed for. Old Rupert would be better off just telling everybody it's the acceptance of all emotion not just happiness. And I'm sure he does somewhere ? ❤

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