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This is fun ? Yes it seems quite nonsensical to hear that the ego or sense of self is not real... because it sure does seem to be real right? And of course then a question arises, so then how exactly do 'I' wake up if the ego and sense of self are already unreal. This is where there's a lot of confusion because it's a real and unreal experience. Real in the sense that when there is an identification with mind as the separate sense of self or ego it feels completely real.... "I am here and everything else is out there". Unreal and the sense that when this identification with the mind ends, it's simultaneously and for the first time recognized as being a completely illusory experience. This is why the best word to describe this apparent debacle is ILLUSION ( something that seems completely real but utterly lacks in reality) like a mirage in the desert that keeps you walking for water. The sense of 'I' that wants to wake up is literally what goes bye bye when Awakening occurs. It's not as drastic as it sounds because remember it's already not real ?

❤ that's awesome and what's being experienced there. The word experiences implies there's an experiencer. The experiencer is the dream character in the dream story. The universe doesn't necessarily experience anything.... it just IS (because the experiencer is unreal). Have you ever seen a lion or hippopotamus have an aha moment? For whatever reason at this point in evolution, the mind of the human being is capable of creating an illusory identity unto itself. This self-centered experience places an overlay over top of apparent reality and operates from this separate 'self' perspective(The Mind Matrix) ('me' here and everything else out there). When actual Awakening occurs (and not just a mystical experience on psychedelics or meditation) this entire self-centered experience of reality collapses and is simultaneously recognized as having never been.... it was Maya illusion of the self. See after actual Awakening there isn't an individual left to buy back into the identification game of the mind as being now the higher self, higher consciousness or God and things like that.... what remains is what was always the case... the unknowable pure emptiness or void. It's Liberation Freedom Paradise The Kingdom of Heaven Samadhi... It's Enlightenment but for No One!! ❤

When Awakening occurs there is still a conditioned character it's just no longer identified with or strongly attached to any longer. For example if you have been a crane operator for 20 years and have an Awakening you don't forget how to be a crane operator. Sure your Ambitions and motivations may change but that could have happened anyways. Or you might realize that hundred dollars an hour crane operating is very beneficial to your family's survival needs and continue doing it. So yes after Awakening a normal life can still continue with less suffering and attachment to outcomes and circumstances. "It's fair game after enlightenment" And it's completely unpredictable what will happen until it does ❤

Ego Transcendence is the clear understanding of how it was created, identified with and has essentially been running 'YOU' like a software program. Watch from 10:05 - 12:05 ❤

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Well it is true that nothing will die, but not because it's infinite consciousness... it's because that which believes itself to be infinite consciousness is a completely and utterly total illusion. So in that sense death is already the case because nothing was alive to begin with. This is actually what Peter Ralston is pointing to in this video although I'm sure it's misunderstood time and time again.

Awakening,Liberation or Enlightenment is the disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as 'ME' or the knower.

Is there a 'YOU' actually thinking the thought "Do I have free will to do it", or do the thoughts just arise?

Who is asking?

Exactly, the s*** is an illusion

Then that will be what's happening apparently. What happens if a meteor annihilates the planet Oh Wait, we will be cosmic consciousness.... Swuuw, 'I' got nervous for a second. Hehe jk ❤

Exactly no one gives two shits.... it's only a thought that gives shits. No need to identify as the shit hole.

❤Exactly and it doesn't matter at all. If you sit on this forum collecting unemployment for the next 10 years... that's what's happening. If you go to college and become a Dental technician... that's what's happening. If you sit on your couch eating cookies and watching porn.... that's what's happening. If you become an organic non GMO corn grower... that's what's happening. If you dedicate your life to understanding the purpose of existence and die at age 82... that's what happened. If you decide to make the world a better place... that's what's happening. When the body dies, 'you' will not even know you had ever existed. It will be just like before your birth.... nothingness!! The only thing that would judge any of these scenarios as right or wrong is the conditioned Body Mind organism. When this identification with the body and its conditioning is seen through (snapping out of The Matrix) liberation has occurred.... and even that doesn't matter at all ?

❤I just meant there's nothing wrong with admiring spiritual teachers or placing them on a pedestal. Sometimes it's just what the doctor ordered. Sometimes the middle path is a good option. Listening with all your attention and simultaneously not fully buying into anything.... radically open minded and simultaneously grounded. I feel if I would have been raised with Native Americans 400 years ago I would have been that awkward child that dabbled in everything. Hunter, gatherer, fire starter, cooker, teepee builder, foot massager, security lookout, horse trainer, initiation specialist, warrior. But never landing in one position or the other... Walking The Razor's Edge.

There's nothing that needs to be done. Just don't be surprised when they ask you for $100 to attend their satsang ?

Alan Watts was like the grandfather everyone needs ❤ ? "The true value of a human being is determined primarily by how he has attained liberation from the self." --quote from Einstein Archive 60-492, 1932; published in Mein Weltbild.

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The ego or sense of self is just the misidentification as the body and its conditioning. There already ISN'T a 'you' or sense of self in the body.... that's the illusion or Maya illusion of the self. So it's ALREADY the case, it's just not recognized there yet. So in that sense there's not really anything that really needs to happen. There's no exact Rhyme or Reason how or why this is recognized, sometimes it just is. Watch the thoughts and notice the identification and reactions.

Non-dual awareness or Awakening is the recognition that the separate sense of 'self' within the body is a completely illusory experience. There is a conditioned body, but its empty and the 'ME' that claims it as my body and my experience, is "Maya illusion of the self" No one enters the gateless gate... nobody becomes enlightened... so be nobody! When the sense of 'self' collapses there is a disentanglement from social conditioning or what's referred to as snapping out of the Mind Matrix. ❤

Who is hoping? What does the 'I am' consist of?

Meanwhile the grass is growing, and the birds are happily flying around.

? yep nobody gets it... yet it seems to be recognized ? A psychosomatic misunderstanding. (Jim Newman) Or A misidentification with energy and conditioned thoughts that seem to take place within the body/mind. ❤

Yes there is still perception, it's just no longer being identified with as 'MY' perception. Perception is recognized as body/mind conditioning.

You have been identifying with these thoughts your whole life.... of course there's going to be some backlash and things like that. Simply notice the thoughts, stop identifying with them and feeding them energy. Like sitting on a mountaintop and watching the thought clouds passing by. Stop getting involved ❤