VeganAwake

Yes it's just conditioned responses that get triggered. Sometimes it helps to look into them a bit, but usually by giving the thoughts and emotions energy it keeps them coming back again and again.... sometimes it's best to just let them dwindle themselves out. ❤

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THIS is very good inquiry and I'm glad its being shared ❤ See we're both pointing to a fundamental misunderstanding or assumption that almost all humans find themselves in... the illusion of duality or separation. This illusory experience brings with it the feelings of lack and incompleteness( something's missing and I need to find it to make things whole). These futile attempts by the seeker to overcome these illusory experiences may look something like this: - becoming a gang member. - joining a religion or sect. - material possession infatuation. - striving for peace love and joy for all of humanity. - technological inventions and scientific discoveries. Either way the underlying misunderstanding of being a separate individual seems to hide the realization that perfection, paradise, completeness, wholeness and unconditional love is already the case. It seems like the apparent main differences in our experiences could be summed up this way: There: The Ultimate truth is we are all god/creator seemingly caught up in this dualistic play of life, and experiencing ourself in infinite ways to share love with ourself for eternity. Here: There isn't a 'you' period, not as god, creator, higher consciousness or anything else... complete non identification. See After Awakening or aka the disillusionment of 'self', it was clearly recognized that the very attempt to again identify as something, was merely a habitual subconscious last ditch effort of the ego mind program to sneak in the back door very low-key style and set up this illusory identification as the new and improved higher self to keep itself alive(Maya illusion of the self) This spiritual ego(for lack of better words) says see I'm good and very selfless, I'm all about love compassion and the reduction of suffering for all of mankind.... there's no reason to disidentify as me. This is what's referred to as painting or decorating the Prison Walls. See the ego is very cunning and clever... a shapeshifter sort a speak. The complete Freedom longed for lies in non-attachment/non identification which luckily happens to already be the case and merely needs to be recognized. ❤

And since the dream character in the dream story isn't real, why would the thoughts that say "the end goal of everything you're doing is sharing love to yourself" be taken as truth ?

It's the clear recognition by no one that the 'sense of self' or the 'ME' is a product of conditioned thinking...essentially an illusion. ❤

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The final awakening is the recognition there was never a "ME" or a "YOU" to awaken in the first place. But it has to be seen there. It's so obvious it seems hidden. ❤

So what is You? Thoughts might say its the body and all of its thoughts and conditioning. Thoughts might say its the soul within the body prior to thinking and conditioning. Thoughts might say You are the underlying and all-encompassing consciousness underneath the thinker. But wait, all of this is what? JUST more THINKING... What is actually there prior to thinking? The answer is an empty happening or meaningless creation, something and nothing, real and unreal, empty and full. See, it's actually empty of any real meaning purpose or value because only a thought can place those illusory concepts over top of THIS!! So the You is a product of thinking. Thought = You & You = Thought ❤

Yes, there's nothing to find or realize, THIS is it and its not going anywhere. The big empty full ?

No one, the thoughts just arise due to past conditioning and habitual patterns of identifying with them as 'MY' thoughts.

Once you land or settle on a belief you become bound in a sense and are no longer free. Its not that you actually become bound, but the mind has a tendency to continue building upon this belief system, and before you know it, it turns into your own prison. You then have to guard and defend this prison day in and day out. The very thing that you thought would help, turns into a prison sentence. Memoirs of an escapee ❤

By recognizing there isn't a "YOU" in which could be in an illusory prison.

I use ego, sense of self and the "ME" interchangeably. They are words pointing to the same illusion. The ego, ME, or sense of self... or whatever word used, cannot conceive of its own unreality because that would be its death or disillusionment. This illusion in a manner of speaking stays intact by identification AS it. So in a sense the very act of trying to get rid of it, subtly confirms its reality. So the first delusion of ME has to be seen through... after that everything else falls into place. ❤

There are two main reasons why it's easy to get trapped again.(remember there's no one there to get trapped that's why it's called an illusion) 1) Habit 2) The sense of self was not clearly seen through to be nothing other than conditioned thought patterns identified with as the "ME" over and over again.

There isn't a self or others. That's the first delusion to see through. ❤

Yes it's definitely the first delusion which creates a snowball effect delusions.

Maybe you need to unlearn.

It stems from not knowing thyself.

Don't forget that same playful Universe can launch an asteroid at our ass and decimate existence. ? Its scope of playful might be on a bit larger scale.

Yep and nothing and everything can be said about it. The words describing THIS is THIS and also not THIS simultaneously. The beloved, THIS, Infinity, non-dual awareness, duality, pure consciousness, dirty socks, a ham sandwich, god, sunglasses. The nothing everything... The real unreal... The this that... It can't be gotten outside of to name or label it because everything is it. ❤

Anger disagreement pride arrogance nah.. just good conversation ❤

I understand what you're saying trust me I do...❤ And I know you care about him as do I. Maybe he's the kind of no one that appreciates some raw honesty from time to time. ? "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it's believing you already know the answer" See you truly believe you know what Awakening is, or at least a good idea of what it entails. But Awakening is not an intellectual understanding. It's also not adopting concept after concept until something clicks right with the self agenda. It's a complete dropping of concepts and self agenda that you are identified as. It's a disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as the 'ME'. When actual Awakening occurs the Seeker is recognized to have never been. So there is no longer a driver to go on seeking for answers because it's recognized the only thing that was seeking wasn't real in the first place. This is why Liberation is referred to as the end of seeking. You can't learn yourself to enlightenment. Well unless you're J Krishnamurti ? There has to be a willingness to empty the glass and admit that you actually know nothing... there has to be a willingness to drop everything and become nothing .....there has to be a willingness to die before you die.

Well does language being dualistic in nature confirm that dualism or relativity is real? This is why Enlightenment is often referred to as "A lifting of the Veil"... this phrase is pointing to the Revelation that Enlightenment is already the case but clearly not recognized until it is. ❤

Look bud that's awesome and what's being experienced there, it's whole complete and perfect ❤ Just pointing out you don't have to do drugs until you end up in a psych ward to experience freedom. If you don't agree with that no problem ❤