VeganAwake

Nobody knows & nothing

Well so is something being labeled an appreciation and having an opposite. There aren't any real opposites. That's just what seems to be true through the conditioned self illusion that believes it knows!

Yup, Just pointer words for communication purposes. We are all just saying blah blah blah back and forth to each other. That's obvious. Reality is already whole & complete....... it's already what is, prior to whatever conditioned interpretation a human mind has about it. And in that sense, nothing needs to be achieved/done/seen/recognized or whatever........it's already!

As a temporary form things can seem to matter. Ultimately nothing matters. There doesn't need to be an agreeance on it.........it's all good in da hood!

A dream

I mean you could call it god or consciousness or something, but it's actually nothing!!! It's a trip and makes no sense!

That's the cosmic joke! Nobody knows it 🤷‍♂️.... it's literally recognized by nothing! I can understand your skepticism 😅

Correct, only there isn't a you in the matrix, and there isn't a you that gets out of the matrix 🤯 The matrix is just reality experienced through the conditioned self illusions perspective. When that self illusion is gone, nothing physically changes at all. The appearance is exactly the same. But what happens is all the meaning, purpose and value falls away from reality. Everything is no longer about and intertwined with the self illusion being at the center of it all. The body still functions in society owns a home, grocery shops, raises the children and follows the laws or risks fines and or going to jail or whatever.

All I was really saying was: Here the surrendering ended up being the clear recognition that there never was anything/anybody which needed surrendering. Allowing an energetic shift away from the conditioned thinker identification. But it doesn't shift to another identification......it's just flickers out slowly! Nobody left to become or not become 😉

Who would surrender? What it sounds like your saying is, the real self needs to surrender the false self. But this isn't the case! There isn't two you's......there isn't even one you. Both are the same self illusion. The very word surrender implies that its real and requires surrendering. It's not real from the start, so how could it be surrendered, and by who? It's not an action. It's a recognition. But its a clear recognition that seemingly disrupts the energy used to uphold this illusory self construct.

When the self illusion/me is dying (nothing actually dies because it isn't real) it desperately attempts to identity as something it has learned about from the matrix......like higher self, infinite consciousness, true self, the self, god....etc....etc See, it doesn't want to go bye bye. It wants to be the knower, it wants to be enlightened, it wants to be special. This new illusory identity is often referred to as spiritual ego. But when this silly fiasco/identity crisis of illusion is CLEARLY seen through.......there isn't any energy left to sustain its new illusory identification. The veil has been lifted........there is nothing left to uphold this new attempted self construct. The body can feel very disoriented or ungrounded.......like free floating. Its freedom from the sticky/needy self illusion.........but it isn't for anyone! Nobody becomes enlightened and is now walking around identified as an enlightened being........if this is the case, the self illusion is still fully intact. It requires crystal clear recognition for that identification energy to dissipate fully! It's very rare. It can feel like a death of sorts. The dream story/matrix never was. Later it's recognized that nothing actually happened. Something that was never real from the start dies essentially......which equates to = nothing happened. What remains is nothing being everything and everything being nothing, as it always was.

Can't get stuck in a belief if you never had one from the start!

No, But if you stop listening and believing altogether, there's nothing left to get stuck in 🤷‍♂️

Heavy is the head that wears the crown 👑

No you're not enlightened because enlightenment is the end of the questioner!

Non sleeping/non observing? Sure bud 👍

Yes yes finally!! 🙌 And only after 3 1/2 years Hallelujah, Hallelujah, hall-----el----ujahhhhhh 🤣

Even the slightest smidgen of feeling like there is an infinite observer is still being completely asleep. It's ego hanging on for dear life!

Yep, But that subtle "sense of infinite being"........"the witness to it all" ........is also illusory! That sense of "being the witness to it all" dies with body........no witness here now or after body death 😳

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@CARDOZZO Your definitely onto something that could be life changing. Paradoxically when completeness is deeply felt/recognized, making changes can seem effortless. The self-illusion or self construct is endlessly needy. It never becomes satisfied. It's survival strategy is "more more more" which translates to dissatisfaction and can cause suffering. Something deeper is recognizing this ridiculous seeking fiasco circle jerk. Keep looking into it 👊

Your welcome! Yeah that sounds like a difficult situation. Have you ever considered joining The Netherlands Armed Forces as a musician 🤔 That could possibly be a way to support yourself and possibly your family as well

No, nothing is necessarily bad/good/wrong/right. There can be an end to the identification as the unsatisfied thinker, but its very rare!

Psychedelics can help create different paths or ways of thinking, so can alcohol, marijuana, art....etc..etc.. No need to keep using substances over and over again in my experience! You sound like an out of the box thinker already! You're good! The only way you can find out what you really want to do is through experience. Or you can just dive into something and stick with it. Nobody can tell you the answer because there isn't a 1 answer fits. The things you described are not separate categories.... They might seem that way, but they are not...... It's all life! Like the old saying "where there's a will, there's a way" Ego always wants to know everything and have the advantage. There's no secret truth or better way of living life........free yourself from that belief and do what makes you happy and fulfilled......or don't! It ultimately doesn't matter ❤️

How does someone avoid life? 🤔 Everything IS life including attempting to avoid it 😅 That's like someone trying to avoid breathing oxygen. Nothing matters! So-called spiritual bypassing doesn't matter. There's no actual path which needs to be walked. So-called avoiding doesn't matter. Spearheading your fears and coming face to face with life's greatest challenges doesn't matter. Its hilarious because enlightenment reveals that nothing ultimately matters, yet on the so-called spiritual journey to attain it, everything seems to matter. But its not for anyone. It's the end of that someone that wants to become enlightened.