VeganAwake

How could "what is" be explained? It's completely unfathomable. It's everything and simultaneously nothing. And there's nothing else to compare it with, because it's already everything and nothing. The very entity that claims "I am the human self" or "I am that", is the same self illusion....it just seems different! ❤️

Maybe, seems like it's either recognized or its not. This question implies that there is a real "you" that could benefit from "seeing" this. What's being said is there isn't a "you" The "you" that wants to see this, is the illusion of self! ❤️

It's nothing because its the end of the self construct that wasn't actually there to begin with. Enlightenment is liberation from the needy self illusion basically.....but nobody becomes liberated. It's not a state or a better position for a you. It's the revelation that there never was a you. ❤️

Yup, & there's not even a we that "adds it".....it just seems to happen. Nothing happens in the sense that there isn't a real individual for something to even happen for....it's an illusion of self awareness. There's not even anyone to ....Be That 😳 ❤️

@Bruins8000 Yeah man, Its completely random and meaningless. There are no goals or end results needed. Thats the unconditional freedom.....but I understand how that can feel disappointing.....notice its only disappointing for someone expecting meaning or purpose though! Expectations are human creations!

Well, Nobody is directing or making things happen. There are just apparent happenings, and then the self illusions either declare them as good or bad according to there illusory conditioned perspective. There is no higher dictator, and there isn't real perfection or imperfection.....those are just human conditioned concepts! One person's perfection could be another's nightmare! ❤️

“The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge” - Daniel J. Boorstin

There isn't an "I" already, in which could identify as the human self or ego. There isn't a true self or a higher self period.....that's the illusion.....that's the misunderstanding or cosmic joke! Nirvana, samadhi, no self, enlightenment, liberation are all words pointing to this same recognition! It isn't a better state for anyone because it's literally the revelation that there never was a someone and there never was a better state. It's the end of states or separation but for nobody 😬 ❤️

Its impossible to grasp that which has no beginning and no end. Grasping is a mortal organisms misunderstanding! The cosmic joke. ❤️

Who is waking up and attempting to integrate this so-called spiritual knowledge? Where exactly is this character? Is it the body? Is it in the body? Can it be found? Nobody awakens, because it's realized that the very individual attempting to become enlightened, is an illusion 😳 ❤️

Carefully watch the mind attempting to know/understand everything. It wants to survive. It wants to know. For the mind, knowing is/was a major survival advantage It evolved needing to know things. Nowadays everything needed for basic survival, is already provided by, family, friends, government...etc The mind can't know it's way to not knowing or not giving a fuck..... When this is seen clearly, it will calm it's needy ass down drastically 🤣 Until then, it just goes around in circles attempting to label and know everything. See it for what it is. It's not positive or negative.......it's just what it is! ❤️

@Spiritual Warfare Sounds like your convinced that understanding reality would be the end of suffering. Reality is completely unknowable and infinite. How could anyone possibly understand that which has no beginning or end....unfathomable! You could live 100,000 lives attempting to know reality, and you still would be completely stumped....trust! There is no hope, no use, no value in understanding. But obviously the mind is very stubborn hehe. Even if there was a deep understanding, your still going to die like you mentioned! Maybe not giving a fuck is the freedom you seek brother? ❤️

The overthinking mind really isn't complex. It's just a reaction to a reaction to a reaction....its main theme is survival. It can be called energy if you like! All the seemingly complex differences are just stories concocted from itself. It's been conditioned since birth and is extremely bias.....definitely not trust worthy lol.....but hey, what can be done about that? ❤️

Hehe correct.... don't underestimate though...... It will rest, get back up and continue running in circles 😉....darn illusions lol ❤️

If the root illusion isn't seen through, it just runs in endless so-called spiritual circles 🤣

The apparent dilemma is, there already isn't a "You" asking for guidance! It just seems so! It's either clearly recognized that the seeker is an illusion, or it's not.......its not complex at all! It just seems to be complex when there seems to be a perceiver perceiving! So there isn't a real answer, because there isn't a real questioner 😳 ❤️

Funny 😂 Trust though, "I" doesn't want "it's" own demise...."it" will wreak havoc....usually major backlashes. Even in seeing clearly "its" own unreality, "it" will attempt to claim that recognition, as "My" experience lol.... "Ego" or "I" is all about My My My 🤣 Can't blame "it"........it's the only reality "it" knows! 🤷 ❤️

👍Yeah, nobody is blessed because that very sense of self which wants to benefit, collapses! It's like the relaxing of a tension that "you" didn't even realize was occurring in the body. It's the end of something that wasn't even real, but still caused a physical effect in the body...... That's why it's often referred to as an illusion! It's an apparent end to something that never actually started......so it's a non-happening or non-experience 😬 It's great for nobody 🤣 ❤️

There is a physical body with senses and instincts, and it will turn its head if it's name is called....but its just emptiness appearing as a me. Me is constantly seeking so-called positive experiences and rejecting so-called negative experiences. The me being an illusion isn't a good or bad recognition. It's just a neutral recognition. It's not better or worse for a me. It's the end of me and therfore the end of better vs worse! ❤️

It's worse than that 😉 There isn't even a real joke because there isn't a real you nor god! 🫨 ❤️

Interestingly enough, that full clear recognition and or energetic relaxation, is very rare. Only a handful I've noticed ever! ❤️

Yup, It could be said that enlightenment is the ending/relaxing of that energetic need to become enlightened,....its recognized everything is already that! Nothing was missing from the start ❤️

Empty and Full But this appearance of so-called reality, doesn't have a purpose or a meaning. There's no secret agenda or "way things should go". It doesn't have a goal! ❤️

It's indescribable because it's not a real something. It's the end of being identified with or as the habitual over thinking monkey mind thoughts! ❤️

Yep there's only something and even that's questionable 🤣 The separation is an illusion 💔 "There's only what seems to be happening"