VeganAwake

Yes there's only impermanence.... and even that is just a story. It's definitely not what the individual is seeking. The ME wants something solid to grasp, name, label and check-off as understood. THIS is unknowable.... and not because it can't be named, but because any name or meaning placed over top of it, is a projected idea at best. ❤

Let's put it this way: Say you were having a dream in which you were chasing a leprechaun that would grant you three wishes beyond your wildest dreams if he is caught. Then your alarm clock goes off and you wake up, but you still remember the dream very vividly. Would you quickly throw your socks and shoes on and run out the door trying to find this dream leprechaun?(don't answer that hehe) When Awakening occurs it's recognized that the individual and it's bundle of dream stories/beliefs and concepts never actually existed in reality. When the bottom of the bucket falls out, it never holds water again. When the snake is recognized as just a piece of rope it doesn't keep tricking you over and over again. When the foundation of Illusion dissolves under the weight of truth the Ivory Tower collapses. ❤

When you treat Illusions and dreams stories as if they are real, you are right back in the dream again. Nobody's doing or having them because they are simply already not real. This isn't directed at anybody in particular. ❤

Yes that much Freedom can malfunction ego. Particularly the part about nothing needing to be done. Ego perpetuates it's existence with meaning purpose and value. For ego there's always something else that needs to be attained no matter what. When it's recognized those illusory goals was just the ego construct itself at work, it starts to collapse under the weight of truth. The Ivory Tower gets very weak because its foundation is dissolving.

There's nothing missing and everything is already complete. This can be recognized and simultaneously it doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. ❤

Frank is enlightened. The difficulty is that the sense of self attempts to grasp, understand, embody and know what Frank is pointing to. In other words it tries to turn what's being pointed to, into a belief system. Enlightenment or Ajata is the transcendence or dropping of concepts, ideologies or belief's, because it transcends even the idea of there ever being an individual that could have had a belief system to hold onto. It literally transcends the entire dream story of a societally conditioned individual that may one day break out of the matrix and become liberated... Awakening is the recognition that the baby is not what he or she thinks it is. Enlightenment throws out the baby with the bathwater, obliterates the bathtub and burns the house down. Enlightenment is Illusions worst enemy. But that's just a story because enlightenment and illusion never actually occurred... it just seemed too ❤

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Yes exactly, no body wakes up.

I get how it sounds....there's a reason why it's called Awakening ❤

Yes, and seems that way for the "I am".

Negative, It simply never existed so how could it matter

Awakening is recognizing that the individual and all of its apparent issues is illusory. Awakening is the ultimate healing because it's recognizing that the individual needing healing, never existed. And that's not to say there's anything right or wrong with attempting to heal someone. It's literally the end of the individual and its illusory problems. After Awakening it's fair game because it's recognized for the first time, there is no right or wrong path. ❤

Negative eric, That's just what's been called spiritual ego hanging on by a very thick thread... and very persistent under the radar. Only this identification thinks it's everything, otherwise known as the spiritual ego/god. Enlightenment hasn't occurred there. But spiritual ego will always argue otherwise of course. ❤

It only seems important for that which places value on it. So what is that: nothing. Yep, nothing places value on nothing because it can and it apparently does... As someone posted previously on this forum: Much Ado About Nothing. ❤ Its THIS It's not somewhere else

First and foremost, I is not good or bad... it's unreal. And that which is unreal cannot be replaced... simply because there is nothing there in which could be replaced. I starts around the age of 3 and builds and builds and builds upon itself but it's an illusion. Sometimes when I is looked at very closely it dissolves itself. Either way it does not matter at all. But of course I doesn't see it that way.

Wait let me guess this is fun. Meditating and simultaneously ending world hunger and suffering. How close am I?

What do you imagine you'd be doing?

Yep, And It's everything. Anger hate jealousy love fear happiness regret frustration satisfaction pain pleasure good bad beautiful ugly anxiousness calmness..... its everything and nothing/real and unreal. Whole complete anarchy, bondage, and freedom for nobody. It excludes and includes everything and nothing. It's referred to as zero sometimes. Its THIS ❤

@Mu_ ego = identification period. If there's identification as this or that there will be suffering it's inevitable. Why: because identification = meaning purpose and value. Yes, ego is neither good or bad, because the only thing that would label or declare anything as good or bad is the ego. Ego identification places in an illusory overlay over top of reality (sometimes referred to as a filter) and operates from that self-centered perspective. The funniest part about the whole thing is, it's not real (Cosmic joke) although it makes an incredible damn good compelling argument opposed to that recognition. ❤

The body-mind will turn its head when it's name is called prefer coffee over tea and jump out of the way of a moving train prior to thinking about it. Ego is an illusory identity that takes ownership of everything.... it literally thinks it's running the show. The part that thinks it's running the show is the illusion

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It actually has nothing to do with stopping thinking/denying thoughts or whatever. It's recognizing that thoughts just arise, and THAT which seems to claim them as MY thoughts, isn't even real. ❤

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Sometimes Insurance can pay for massages and an occasional muscle relaxer might help. Kind of also sounds like a posture issue. ❤

Before awakening there was a 100% willingness to die or go crazy to find the truth. There was an insane level of motivation because it seemed like it was right under my nose. I wasn't going to stop until it was found. It was actually a few words from Adyashanti that stopped me dead in my tracks. His words made me recognize that my method was flawed. It was something along the lines of: Enlightenment is not something you can find, it's a falling away of that which is unreal. ❤