VeganAwake

There's nothing right or wrong with attempting to know. That would just be another conditioned concept of mind. But think about it for a second. How can you absolutely know something?.... what are you going to base it off of? Your own or others beliefs about it? Maybe science? Are you going to ask God or the universe if what you believe is absolutely true? ? No you can't and in that sense it's completely unknowable.... regardless of what beliefs are placed on top of THIS.

So you remember being conscious prior to birth? Awakening requires an emptying of the glass, a willingness to let go and have faith or trust that things will be okay. Severe trust issues are a pentacle on this forum. The 101 concepts about what Awakening is and how it's found distort and seem to hide this freedom that's actually already the case. ❤

There isn't a real dream and there isn't anyone who could step out, identify or disidentify with it. That's literally why it's called a dream story or an illusion. ❤

The body is the vehicle in which the illusion of ME seems to be born(self awareness) When that body dies, the ability of the illusion of ME will cease to exist. But this is just a story because an illusion cannot die because it was never real to begin with. So the ME doesn't die because it was never really born.... which is already the case. What a trip huh? ❤

Well now that's excellent ?

The sense of self never reaches fulfillment, that's its game. It can be recognized it isn't real though.

No the universe does not have an agenda if that's what you're asking. Only the conditioned mind labels things as good or bad.

It doesn't matter whether meditation occurred for 25 years or being the governor of kentucky for 25 years. When that body dies there won't even be the slightest inkling of existence, so in that sense it doesn't matter in any way at all. ❤

If he recognizes there is no right or wrong understanding or way to be, he will be out of things to talk about. Ego does not like being out of things to talk about. ❤

Its so close its already the case. The finding of something JUST doesn't happen. The seeker is realized to be completely unreal. So its not a gain in any way...... its a loss of an unreal YOU. & It has to been SEEN directly and clearly first-hand for the energetic shift to occur. Otherwise it's just a surface intellectual understanding. ❤

Liberation is recognizing attachment detachment indifference or any of it, does not matter in any way at all. It's simply a play of life, no need to figure it out. But attempting to figure it out is also that being what it does. ❤

Detachment feels like a forced action. It's a word that implies there is a separate individual which can attach or detach from something. Awakening is recognizing the individual that seems to attach to certain things or outcomes never actually existed. Apparent happenings become impersonal sort of speak.

Anything by Tony Parsons or Robert Wolfe.

@RMQualtrough

"Taoism and Buddhism believe that the universe is created or originated from "Nothingness" or "Emptiness". It is interesting that the modern science also proposed that there is "nothing" before the creation of universe. ie. Before time and space exist, there is "nothing". Buddha had all sorts of quotes on emptiness or nothingness. Jainism also points to nothingness as ultimate reality. Check out: AjataSunyata project by Robert Wolfe ❤

There isn't relatively either. Just concepts placed on top THIS..

@assx95 What are some examples of what you are doing that's toxic? And what was realized during this awakening?

No need for rather. Something is nothing simultaneously. Real and unreal... Dancing emptiness... ❤

Thanks for the share. Could it be possible that the 'Self' that thinks it's literally talking to 'Itself' is just a story?

Yeah man I feel ya, seeking (aka the journey) is extremely exhausting, it's like being in an invisible prison sometimes. There was a character named travis that was diligently seeking for something, he didn't know what it was but there was a willingness to either go crazy or die to find whatever it was that seemed to be missing. Then one day he listened to a video with Adyashanti discussing how enlightenment was not something attained but rather a falling away of untruth. The seeking energy seemed to flip in on itself and inquire into who or what this character consisted of..... there was nothing to be found. ❤

What's being pointed to is the end of the knower. The knower places an overlay of meaning purpose and value over top of reality. This setup seems to create a dream story in which the dream character experiences. THIS is unknowable, empty and full, real and unreal, everything and nothing. Maybe check out "The book of not knowing" by Peter Ralston Or "Emptiness" by Robert Wolfe on the ultimate teaching of ajata/sunyata ❤

Identification is the root cause of suffering. The Emptiness is the fullness that you're searching for.

Those laws don't exist and neither does the dream story created within those parameters. It's complete Anarchy & Paradise for nobody.

It seems to be hidden by being Everything but "you" are looking for a something. And everything cannot be found because it's already the case, as in it was never missing. Nobody looks for something within Everything and then says why can't I find it.