VeganAwake

Probably not.. This is not about detachment or no mind. It's recognizing EVERYTHING as being IT. Nothing is excluded including thoughts or thinking. Freedom wouldn't be very free if it excluded anything. ❤

Exactly but that skewed perception or misunderstanding of being an individual from the beginning is what ultimately leads to suffering... the feeling of being separate, that something is missing and needs to be found. You can't understand it with the mind and it's completely illogical to the sense of self. That's why it's called Awakening, there must be a cessation of self. ❤

But that suggests the ego or sense of self is real in the first place. There is already no one to be free or be imprisoned.... so in that sense THIS is already Liberation disguised as something else. Ego = Separation = Misunderstanding In the dream story Enlightenment or Liberation would need to be achieved by someone or something who would reap the benefits. But Liberation/Enlightenment is the recognition that the individual never actually existed.... hence nobody becomes enlightened, nobody wakes up, nobody achieves liberation. There is no way to end an illusion because it already isn't there....see the apparent issue?(hamster wheel effect) So who recognizes it? NOBODY! No one enters the gateless gate so be nobody. ❤ 34:08 - 34:24

Well its not an achievement, its the recognition that the achiever never existed. Its the end of identifying as someone that wasn't real in the first.

There is apparently a conditioned body but the individual that experiences I am here, conscious and real is an illusion.

? just saying hi ...hadn't heard from you in awhile ?

Are 'you' still trying to find something? What has been found?

Watch the mind, how often is it incorrect. How often does it jump to conclusions and judgements that later on are proven to be not the case. Mind can be a great tool and simultaneously turn into a runaway monkey train with no driver. Just watch it ❤

Check out 16:18 - 18:45 Also there is a good understanding there. Remember you can't really interrupt something that isn't real(limitations of dualistic language) it can be seen clearly to have never existed though, if that makes sense. Yes, there seems to be a character remaining.... the remnants of the old me. Explore that ...what is it ...what does it consist of? Not with the mind.... actually look and see. ❤

Thank god no one gets it for fuck sake ?... joke ❤

Create a gap between the thoughts and that which seems to identify with them.

Seems to be permanently changing... you can have faith in that. Some kind of boundless energy of sorts. But that's just a story within the boundlessness.

Something similar happened when I was doing yoga at a Shakti Festival from this famous yoga instructor out of LA a couple years back. I don't recall the type of yoga but I remember tears also running down my face like an energy overload. I never knew there was that much energy in the body.

It doesn't matter what its called. You can name a volleyball wilson or call a dog a chicken. Enlightenment is the end of concepts about what THIS is....its the end of conceptualizing reality as this, that or the other. Its the end of placing illusory concepts over top of reality and operating from that perspective. And its an inner recognition rather than a direct experience. Freedom for no one ❤

Love that ? And the so-called collapse is the recognition that there was never anything separate to begin with.....its an un-happening sort of speak. Freedom is the end of concepts. ❤

Yeah man, It can't be done right or wrong. It literally cannot be done correct or incorrect..... because those are just conditioned concepts of the dream story. So in that sense there's nothing to say or not to say/do or not to do. It's that free.... and totally unexpected!!

Notice the 'sense of self' always needs an identity.(oh I'm not the small self so 'I' must be everything) There is no separation, but not because 'you' are everything... it's because there was never a 'you' to be separate in the first place. You or duality are words pointing to an experience that seems real but is ultimately lacking in reality(hence why it's called an illusion) This communication is hopeless and not logical by any means. The more it's sought after, the more it subtly suggests/reinforces the idea that there is an individual that can one day(with enough diligent practice of course) understand IT and put 'itself' in a better position in the future(hamster wheel effect) But THIS is already Liberation because the individual with all of its needs to know(feels like straight jacket) was never real to begin with. ❤

Neither! The dreamer and that which is aware, is the same dream story character. That's why reality is referred to as an illusion. The experiencer is recognized to have never been. ❤

Reminds me of a book: "The disappearance of the universe"

It's perfect and ego hates it because it denies its reality. ❤

It appears there are some characters who enjoy or tolerate attempting to describe the indescribable and others who don't care too so much. When this character is deeply observed it's recognized to be nothing more than a bundle of conditioning. So these illusory characters run around in the dream story casting meaning purpose and value over top of apparent reality attempting to find something that makes them not feel separate any longer. But the separation never occurred because the individual was never real. " the separation never occurred" - acim

@WaveInTheOcean ❤

Go for it....why not ❤