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@MVPJOURNEY I also do not think there real, although they still seem to have an effect on the body. There real & unreal these feelings 🤔 Try swimming laps in a pool to burn excess energy, it stretches and relaxes the body also. It's the killer diller!!!!👊 Everything is already complete ❤️

Yeah it turns out addition and subtraction both equal nothing ❤️

Maybe just figure out being human first. Literally master being a human, whatever that means to you. And if God realization happens along the way, so be it! ❤️

Yep, ? And sometimes when this "sense of self" is seen through, it can seem like an unraveling of identity or death. The energy once used on the self illusion is released back into everything. It becomes obvious that there never was an "I" There's no one left to fall back asleep & claim to be god or anything else for that matter. All this desperate spiritual seeking ends because nobody's left trying to reach or attain something. ❤️

Insert guy eating popcorn meme here: ❤️

But enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with "grasping the whole of reality" Rather its clearly seeing that this ME character trying to grasp infinity, isn't actually there. This can feel like death for some and simultaneously like a relaxed energetic release away from upholding this illusion of self. A deflation of sorts. All its deeply seeded societal conditioning is seen through, & It eventually gets starved of energy. It seems hidden until it's obvious! ❤️

Nice bro hehe!! ? For me hope is just another word for not being satisfied with the current experience of reality. There's no one left here that's satisfied or unsatisfied, which funny enough, is satisfying in itself! Much respect your motivation for truth bro! ?

What do you mean by dangerous! How is someone believing/doing the same things over and over again dangerous. Sounds boring to me! ❤️

Sounds normal enough to me. Maybe pick up some ice breakers or jokes. Plan to mention a topic or two that your super familiar with. Go with a close friend that gets you! ❤️

Those enlightened guys and gals over there seem to be having a better experience than I am having. Maybe if I do A, B, & C, I can also have a better experience like theirs in the future. Sounds silly enough but the conditioned mind will fall for it 60% of the time everytime! ? ❤️

? spiritual materialism ❤️

Yeah, I can see that!! I'm married with 3 kids and we have a 2 year old German doodle so I jump on & off quickly usually I also use voice text on my cell probably 80% of the time. For me it just seems like certain words "hit the mark" better than others, so I probably way overuse them. Maybe I listened to too many spiritual woo woo books in my early days...I dunno ? There's definitely some sort of human- being over here reading and responding though. ?

When you get down to the brass tacks, enlightenment isn't any better or worse than anything else because it just becomes obvious that this 'ME' construct which judges things as better or worse, isn't real and never was....... It just seemed to be! ?

Well escaping implies that someone is bound. What's being said is there isn't a real you to escape. It's an illusion of self! Everything else is just bad interpretation! ❤️

Haha, no need to call it stupid but I get what you mean. It occasionally tries its best lol. Here it just became obvious that the illusion of self/mind desperately attempts to understand and know reality but through its deeply conditioned or biased perspective. This illusion of self/perspective, spins all kinds of radical stories about how and why reality is the way it is............this is what i refer to as the dream story or matrix but just with a spiritual twist added...... In other words it attempts to grasp the ungraspable absolute or infinity, place it in a box and mark it off as known..... This could also be referred to as spiritual ego, but to each their own I guess. Basically it's always trying to get to a better experience in the future. It never becomes completely satisfied. ❤️ "The interpreter has left the building, I repeat the interpreter has left the building" ?

Well then yeah bro that's what's being experienced there..... it's whole, complete and perfect ❤️

Awesome, just remember, it's not forcing the mind to be empty.... The mind empties itself under the weight of recognizing it's beliefs are all conditioned BS. ❤️

No its not choosing or cherry picking....It's recognizing that PA isn't a real entity as or within the body. It can be difficult to empty the glass because it feels like death, but that is what Ralston is talking about in his "book of not knowing" ❤️

I think I must like your guys energy and relentless dedication to discovery or something ? Definitely not trying to push anymore concepts. (The cupeth is overflowing) There was a very desperate seeker here for quite a few years until it died. Actualized.org(Leo) content was there for 'me' during that time and I think I just like to try to "pay it forward" sorta speak ❤️

It's not that physical objects physically change, it's that the illusion of self is no longer there to fabricate a story or place an illusory layer of meaning, purpose, and value upon the physical object itself. Reality is already itself, its already complete regardless of the names and beliefs placed on them. Awakening isn't this complex wishy-washy thing. It can be very subtle and simultaneously completely unmistakable. It's not a gaining or adding of concepts and beliefs. It's the falling away of concepts and beliefs to see clearly what already is! ❤️

There seems to be, but its not real, I refer to the ego as the illusion of self or the conditioned character one seems to grow into from a baby. That "ME" character/ego isn't really there! The self/higher self or whatever is just a delusional identification game the ego attempts to play because it wants to survive, just like anything else! ❤️

There is no higher self though. All the selfs & or sources are illusions. If there is a higher self or an ultimate source, that is just the ego attempting to identify as that. ❤️

I think some of you are letting your conditioned minds run you around like chickens with their heads cut off! I mean, I get it & yes it's super entertaining and all, but at some point, it should become obvious that a very creative imagination superimposing its concepts and beliefs overtop of reality does not make it true. Reality doesn't care what you think about it. It doesn't need a label given to it. It doesn't need a human story of how or why placed onto it! Enlightenment is not spinning endless conceptual stories off the top of the head about reality in an effort to make the self illusion feel more comfortable or grounded! It's the end of the conceptualizer or spiritual materialist. It's the disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as " ME " It's literally the end of the individual trying to attain it or rather the revelation that it was never real to begin with. And so in that sense, enlightenment isn't real because it's the end of something that never started. Which is exactly where the saying comes from that "everyone is already enlightened" Believing that there's more to reality than meets the eye is the bus ticket...... Clearly seeing that there's not is the ride home or the end of seeking! When it comes to reality, there's only what Seems to be happening. ❤️

Answer: "Better Experience" The self illusion is always trying to get to a better experience in the future, it will always be unsatisfied with the here & now. It may even try not seeking as another way to get what it thinks is missing! ❤️