VeganAwake

Sometimes you can learn more from failing an achievement! 🙆

Yup, sometimes its recognized that the seeker isn't a real entity.....which can drastically change the body's day to day schedule......sometimes nothing really changes.....there's no right or wrong path regardless. Often times things just start becoming obvious! ❤️

All there is, is being. It doesn't matter what the body is physically doing. Feeling happy or sad while doing anything is just a passing emotion...... They come and go regardless of what the body is doing! Obviously extremes are usually never pleasant for the body! ❤️

That body saw reality in the raw! "You" haven't actually developed anything. What happened was reality was seen clearly without the filters/conditioning of the "You" character. It was recognized because seeing the truth was desired greater than illusion! ❤️

Better than I deserve probably, 😌 I bought a bigger house for me and my 3 boys on Jan30th, so I have been very busy last couple months.....but things are settling back down now. How are you doing ? ❤️

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@Santiago Ram There's no real scale though......your not higher or lower because a model suggests so! Carry your weight, earn money responsibly, learn a healthy way of communicating with your parents. Win, win, win sinario's.....best for yourself, best for others, best for humanity......these are yellow traits in SD! It's not about being better or higher consciousness..... It really just makes the most sense after all!!!! ❤️

The disagreeing isn't real. Different words or stories do not change reality or equate to real differences. Drop the words/stories and Wallah.....apparent reality! ❤️

That's actually flattering that you assume I'm staying on comfortable familiar ground hehe. I get what you mean though. I'm just not standing on anything grounded...it's neither familiar nor comfortable.....it's like floating really 😄 I'm not trying swap one belief system out for another for anyone. I mean, why even have a belief system at all, if it's not able to be proven? ❤️

Yes, and those conditioned concepts can linger in the subconscious and still subtly steer conclusions in certain directions. Lifelong conditioning cannot be just thrown out..... It requires Clearly Seeing their invalidity. The same way when you focus on an issue long enough, the solution seems to reveal itself slowly. The conditioning itself requires unbiased focus for it to be finally revealed as hocus pocus 😁 ❤️

Dont be too hard on yourself. Debating and such can reveal all kinds of radical discoveries.....we all have different ways of attempting to understand. Nothing we have been talking about has bothered me at all.... You're a good person with a great sense of humor! No more cookies for you though 🤪 and I'm on a diet! ❤️

I wasn't assuming that it is incomprehensible...... I gave explanation. You can't properly start combat when your head is filled with prior conditioned belief systems...... You can't start the journey to discovery with a completely flawed map! When the cup is already full, there is no room for anything else. ❤️

Someone that hurts others has most likely been hurt themselves and is clearly mentally unstable. Abuse(physical/mental), neglection, rejection, abandonment, all fall into this unstable person category. No need to make up additional stories like evil, which was created by numerous lazy ignorant scared human beings a very long time. They were very impatient and didn't like the idea of simply not knowing or not understanding........so they just made up stories to account for their unanswered questions of WHY? What's really shocking is the amount of people that still believe these completely irrational and fictional stories birthed from ignorance! Don't underestimate the need for understanding from humans..... They will completely make up stories when they don't get the answers that suit them! 🤣 ❤️

I just think what's been said here doesn't align with your sneaky underlying agenda/belief system, so you argue endlessly in the face of common sense using polysemous words out of context to sound intelligent and so if someone corners you, you can just say you meant it differently. Can't fool me! ❤️

That true self is "I" in disguse! It's a very sneaky tactic to preserve itself! There isn't a higher or a lower self! ❤️

It's even more radical than that. There isn't even actually an I

Ok, your right, Evil is as real as Santa Claus 🧑‍🎄 🎁 💝

Bro seriously, you're making it way too complex..... what's being discussed doesn't take numerous philosophy and or language/writing classes. This is a perfect example of why so-called knowledge can actually hinder discovery! The mind is so full of concepts, it can't even grasp basic understanding anymore! It's not negating when it's just obvious that there are no universal morals. Those morals and belief systems are created by conditioned and biased scared human beings....nothing more! One experience can cause one individual pain and suffering while the next person simply chuckles or shrugges it off and drives on with life! You can call it avoidance or negating all you want, but you don't know what's being experienced here in any way at all...... Your conditioning is basically painting a picture for you of what is happening here....that's all! Sorry bud! ❤️

I haven't been avoiding anything though. I've already mentioned that the human bodies natural survival instincts are to avoid pain and suffering.....but that doesn't mean that things that cause it, are evil or bad! Basically, humans in the past couldn't find any real answers or meaning to anything, so they just made up their own. When one stops carrying around all these conditioned beliefs, they no longer hold weight in ones experience. It actually opens up room for additional discoveries. The words and concepts become meaningless and it's finally recognized that these beliefs were actually creating or shaping the dream story in which one lives in! See, even without these beliefs the rain still falls, the sun still shines and the wind still blows. They simply aren't needed. ❤️

I definitely understand what you mean! For me: Conditioned Society = Matrix or Dream Story.....& within this dream story or matrix, there are things like: Value, Meaning, Purpose, Good & Bad, Right & Wrong, Evil & Godly, Heaven & Hell, God & Satan etc...etc... I'm usually always talking in reference to biggest picture understanding outside of conditioned society, which can be very confusing! I totally get how it can sound like deflection, avoidance, spiritual bypassing, escapism, going down the wrong path etc etc... But for that to be valid, there first has to be an initial belief in right or wrong to start with.....that first initial belief is the culprit of misunderstandings. Example: For someone to be labeled as bypassing, avoiding the "truth" or deflecting, there first has to be a belief that there really is a higher "truth" or a right or wrong path one could accidentally stumble down. Logically speaking, someone can't go down the wrong path if there isn't a real right path to begin with......get my point! These discussions points coming from me, would probably not help someone dealing with mental health issues and trying to find solid life morals to live by. I really only come and chat on this forum because Leo's content was helpful in providing numerous outside the box thinking strategies and or contemplation techniques and really great videos at a time when nobody else was really diving into the really meaty topics of spirituality and non-duality. Maybe the time has come for the old vegan to move along 🥲 ❤️

But if @Letho says its evil, its evil lol.....get out of here with that dude! 🤣

I've explained things clearly but you can't grasp what's being said or your just not listening. You keep talking about evil and suffering over and over again and can't see my point. The concept of good & evil is man made. It was created from a lack of understanding. It's a lazy way of dealing with misunderstood behaviors and actions....period! There is absolutely no universal good and evil standards in reality because there isn't a higher dictating source..........that makes your theories nothing more than a biased conditioned belief system that you grasp tightly to because your afraid! Sorry bud! Nothing more than scared human creations! ❤️

The claim is that all so-called evil doings could be chalked up as simply someone with serious mental illness or a history of abuse or both! If that's classified in society as evil......then I guess it's evil according to society! It would sound like ignorance to me! ❤️