VeganAwake

Real & unreal Is & isn't This & that Things can seem to be completely real and simultaneously be recognized as completely unreal. The personalized story of ME seems totally important and convincingly real. Awakening is the realization that this separate ME character within the body desperately seeking a better experience in the future is fullness experiencing lack or completeness experiencing incompleteness. Infinite experiencing finite. Not an identification AS the infinite, it's a recognition that the infinite was all there ever was. There never was a finite individual in which even could become infinite. Freedom for no one! ❤

There's just whatever seems to be happening, that's easy enough right? It doesn't matter what it's called. It's THIS!! ❤

The so-called neo-advaita message isn't meant to be useful, it simply attempts to illuminate the futility or ridiculous idea of an illusory individual attempting to attain or become enlightened. An illusion never finds what it's looking for because IT'S the very dualism from which IT'S trying to escape. ❤

The bodies can talk to each other back and forth no problem. The illusion is the experience that there is a real YOU over there in that body and a real ME over here in this body.(Duality) The bodies are completely empty, there isn't a real living individual inside of them or anywhere for that matter. (Nonduality) ❤

I get what you're saying.....we're just not talking about the same thing. Enlightenment is the end of knowing because it's the end of that which believes it can know. When its clearly recognized the self is unreal, there's no one left to claim identification as this or that. No one left to get convinced that they are actually something else. Seeking & identification are both the game of self/ego. ❤

When suffering is really bad people hear what they want to hear; interpret how they want to interpret. So much possiblity for misunderstanding!

There isn't a real you that needs to contemplate anything. The relentless feeling that something needs to be found or attained stems from an illusory experience of separation.... When it's clearly recognized there isn't a you in the body...BAM Enlightenment, Freedom! It's so already that it seems hidden. ❤

Sounds like it's already been recognized there's nothing to find. The individual that attempts to find something particular within everything is an illusion. You are free because there already isn't a real seeker or anything to find. ❤

I'm just not sure how you define suffering. There can definitely still be inconveniences or apparent bad situations like your brother getting hit by a car or getting mugged. But yes like you said there is no longer anyone left to create a dramatic personalized story to dwell upon or resist. Yep, emotions and feelings still arise....it's not like an emotional detachment/denial or something like that. However the emotions do feel impersonal or completely raw and unfiltered. Guilt free. Nothing physically changes in the appearance of reality. But it's recognized nobody is experiencing it. Apparent existence becomes very dream-like or unimportant. The illusion of self doesn't create reality....it seems to distort it, which is why it's referred to as the Dream Story. ❤

Very well said... Yes it's just raw emotions or feeling. The illusion of self which attempts to push away so-called negative emotions for so-called positive one's is seen to be completely unreal. Internal conflict is over because there is no longer anyone left that prefers a certain emotion over another. There is no one left to say "yay I am enlightened and this is incredible". There does seem to be an incredible sense of freedom from the needy self which attempts to control its apparent reality. ❤

I get what you're saying. That's the radical thing about Awakening, it kind of throws out the baby with the bathwater. It's recognized there never was an unhappy or suffering individual in the first place.... it was an illusion or misunderstanding. ❤

Bodies can communicate but there isn't a user or doer inside of them. Similar to wolves howling or birds chirping. ❤

Not talking about the apparent separate physical body.... There is a conditioned body that can learn to speak; jump out of the way of a moving train; turn its head when its name is called and prefer coffee over tea.....but it's totally empty! The illusory part is that sticky centered sense of individuality within that body that claims to be the doer and thinker of thoughts. The arising of the illusory individual within the body blankets reality with concepts of meaning, purpose and value and the belief that all phenomena has something to do with this big important ME character. "Awakening is the disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as ME" - Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self) ❤

Thought you might like that ❤ I'm also a big fan of Cookie Monster!

No nothing matters, and that isn't good or bad......it's unconditional freedom!! It doesn't even matter that it doesn't matter which can seem to be an issue within the dream story of meaning, purpose & value. In which also doesn't matter!! ❤

I get what you're saying. Here at some point it started becoming obvious that there just wasn't a real self centered entity called me inside the body. The energy that went into upholding this illusory self construct began to diminish. The Matrix or Dream story is reality perceived or filtered through the conditioned lenses of an illusory separate individual. It's not real at all but it sure seems to be. ❤

It's just raw feeling.

Nobody knows it but nonetheless that's how it can feel. It can also feel terrifying/shocking/important. The sense of self lives in a dream story of meaning, purpose and value. It always feels like something is missing and or needs to be known. So when that whole delusional reality is recognized to be completely nonsense it can feel very blissful/freeing/relaxed etc... ❤

The word experience insinuates or assumes there's an experiencer. But the experiencer is an illusion. When the experiencer is recognized to be non-existent, reality can become very dream-like or fluid and feel very unimportant or ordinary. And not taking reality seriously can feel very liberating!! ❤

I'm not sure what you mean by consciousness. Here it was recognized consciousness was just the body feeling alert or aware... it's not a big spiritual event or something! There are definitely some very creative minds... although for the most part the mind seems to mostly just go in patters or circles in a very habitual/repetitive way whether it's consciously or subconsciously. Yeah I'm sure it can seem to be very therapeutic to understand the way the mind operates! ❤

Bahahaha! I like this guy! ? ?

Awakening reveals that the very individual that believes it wants to awaken is an illusion. In fact "I" doesn't actually want to awaken because awakening is the end of "I" or the revelation that it was never real from the start. "I" wants to be there to reap the so-called benefits of awakening.... it wants its cake and to eat it to. And when "I" recognizes it's illusory existence is under threat, it can cause all sorts of drama often referred to as ego backlash or dark night of the soul. It literally fights awakening all the way through....and the most ridiculous part is: IT'S NOT EVEN REAL!! Like an illusory identification crisis which is trying to survive..... the whole apparent situation is just ridiculous. Point being the sense of "I" simply cannot fathom what Awakening is like because it's stuck within the dream experience of separation. Awakening can actually be a terrifying realization or shock to the sense of "I". It's complete freedom for nobody. No one actually becomes awake. And surprisingly it's exactly that freedom that's being sought after. ❤

Yeah, I also like "real and unreal" There seems to be an apparent difference between thought and the absence of thought. A thought for example can seem to create a reaction or experience within the body. But a thought that's not identified with or entertained just seems to arise and then fall away without causing any reaction similar to absence of thought. So was there even a real happening? It was real & unreal!! ❤

Yay we've established that thoughts definitely seem to arise from somewhere..... We are really getting somewhere now ?