VeganAwake

There are apparent differences within the framework of being an external experiencer of all phenomena, but there are no real differences between anything. There is just exactly what seems to be happening....very mysterious!

It doesn't sound like an obstacle, it sounds like this resistance is being recognized which is part of the reason for doing the practices. Simply noticing is a result! ❤

Yes and I've heard ordinary and unexpected also quite often.

For sure!! it's so opposite of what the individual expects or wants it to be that it's laughable. ❤

Awakening is the realization that this spiritual identity(ME) on the brink of enlightenment is completely unreal. It's the end of jumping through spiritual hoops and walking a so-called spiritual path because it's recognized the very entity that believes it can become this enhanced spiritual figure was nothing more than an illusory experience of self. ❤ "Do not think that enlightenment is going to make you special, it’s not. If you feel special in any way, then enlightenment has not occurred. I meet a lot of people who think they are enlightened and awake simply because they have had a very moving spiritual experience. They wear their enlightenment on their sleeve like a badge of honor. They sit among friends and talk about how awake they are while sipping coffee at a cafe. The funny thing about enlightenment is that when it is authentic, there is no one to claim it. Enlightenment is very ordinary; it is nothing special. Rather than making you more special, it is going to make you less special. It plants you right in the center of a wonderful humility and innocence. Everyone else may or may not call you enlightened, but when you are enlightened the whole notion of enlightenment and someone who is enlightened is a big joke. I use the word enlightenment all the time; not to point you toward it but to point you beyond it. Do not get stuck in enlightenment" - Adyashanti

Well you seem very mature and open minded and I am usually very attracted to those qualities. In a sense it CAN become difficult to empathize and relate back to the very needy self-identity that used to be identified with here as the ME character. And awakening isn't even necessarily the end of these feeling's arising altogether. It's a clear recognition that there never was actually a real person in the body experiencing these feelings or emotions....it's just raw feeling! So it's not like a denial/detachment of the feelings of wanting to help humanity and evolve the so-called personality structure, rather its a disentangling from the identification AS an individual that owns or experiences them. There can obviously be all kinds of apparent benefits from improved communication skills within conditioned society. Namely like you said, a better sense of connectedness and maybe even a job with better salary and This communication is NOT saying there are any should or shouldn't do's in ANY way at all!! By all means do do do to your heart's content. Just don't be surprised when it's recognized that this energy never becomes satisfied.... and not only does it never become satisfied but it will actually continue to "up the ante" and increase the feelings of guilt and lack. This sense of doership is often referred to as the spiritual ego, and let me tell you it's a beast because it now hides like a wolf in sheep's clothing. What to do you might ask? There's nothing to do because it's not real. It's just sometimes recognized by no one to be completely unreal. And it's freedom or enlightenment which was actually always the case but just not recognized. ❤

Then that's what's being experienced there, it's complete and perfect ? The communication wasn't for or against anyone rather it attempts to reveal the unreality of that which proclaims itself to be God. ❤

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There are apparent traps within the illusion of being a separate individual attempting to find the correct spiritual path or enlightenment or whatever. (Mainly that enlightenment is a something that an individual can become or attain) But if it's clearly recognized that this individual jumping through spiritual hoops isn't even real, then the whole concept of there being right or wrong paths & traps becomes completely non-applicable. ❤

❤ Everything you said on all your comments sounds 100% completely normal. Take a real close look at this personality structure called ME. What is it? Break it all the way down. Is there anything actually there?

BTW my wife loves Justin Bieber! Yeah it's an explosion of light, color and sound....completely radical and off-the-chart in every possible way. Definitely not boring...it's every emotion rather! Just saying the seeking energy is often a symptom of believing that something is missing or incomplete..... and how could something be missing in that which is everything. The apparent problem is the seeker attempts to find a particular something within everything.... and there's just nothing particular to find because there's already nothing missing. When the desperate seeker is recognized to be completely unreal, there is just BOOM everything. ❤

What's not being understood is when it's clearly recognized the self is an illusion, all that's left is the absolute or Infinity. The first step of the apparent 100m run becomes the last step simultaneously. ❤

Well if it was clearly recognized the self is an illusion who would be left to continue seeking? Who would be left feeling like there's still something that needs to be found? ❤

@Barna What was being pointed to is the so-called "higher state" is the recognition there is no such thing as a higher or lower state. Higher or lower states are just concepts within the ego's dream story. That being said there is absolutely nothing right or wrong with making the world a better place and helping others. The apparent problem is the ego turns helping others into another task or goal of getting what it thinks is missing. It never actually finds fulfillment because IT'S the very experience of separation or lack. The ego is a vicious taskmaster and simultaneously there's no need to demonize it because it's not even real....it's an illusion of self!! ❤

Definitely toss out the baby with the bathwater, smash the bathtub and burn the house down. Only emptiness can see clear! For the ego there's always something else that needs to occur. Ego can't fathom that reality is already perfection and complete freedom for no one. Because of course that would be its demise! ? ❤

If all that was stated above is recognized to be illusory, wouldn't it also put into question the assumption that a True Self is purposely creating this so-called illusory reality? Or is it something "you" just heard about and took it on as a belief with no questions asked? ❤

There aren't any real traps because there isn't a real goal or end result which needs to be reached. The same way that there is no such thing as spiritual bypassing because there isn't a real right or wrong path in the first place. It's so much freedom that the mind has to create imaginary boundaries and goals in order to feel secure and grounded. ❤

It's an explosion of light, color and sound and simultaneously it's empty. Empty of meaning and purpose. Full of phenomenon. It's empty and full. Real and unreal. This and that. It's so f****** radical and off-the-chart. It can feel like freedom and imprisonment simultaneously. And it absolutely doesn't matter! ❤

It can be called Eternal all day long. But it's not Eternal for a someone or an entity. So in that sense it's not even really Eternal because it's not a something to be for a someone. The individual apparently experiencing reality is an illusion....so this is already death because no one was ever alive... and in that sense death also isn't real because something that was never alive cannot die. So an illusory individual attempts to escape death by believing the soul or the true self is eternal or what not. And the cosmic joke is there ALREADY isn't anyone that goes on living after body death....IT'S AN ILLUSION OF SELF! ❤

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There is nothing to become conscious of about death because it's not an experience, it's the end of experience. Which is exactly what enlightenment is. ❤