VeganAwake

I just think what's been said here doesn't align with your sneaky underlying agenda/belief system, so you argue endlessly in the face of common sense using polysemous words out of context to sound intelligent and so if someone corners you, you can just say you meant it differently. Can't fool me! ❤️

That true self is "I" in disguse! It's a very sneaky tactic to preserve itself! There isn't a higher or a lower self! ❤️

It's even more radical than that. There isn't even actually an I

Ok, your right, Evil is as real as Santa Claus 🧑‍🎄 🎁 💝

Bro seriously, you're making it way too complex..... what's being discussed doesn't take numerous philosophy and or language/writing classes. This is a perfect example of why so-called knowledge can actually hinder discovery! The mind is so full of concepts, it can't even grasp basic understanding anymore! It's not negating when it's just obvious that there are no universal morals. Those morals and belief systems are created by conditioned and biased scared human beings....nothing more! One experience can cause one individual pain and suffering while the next person simply chuckles or shrugges it off and drives on with life! You can call it avoidance or negating all you want, but you don't know what's being experienced here in any way at all...... Your conditioning is basically painting a picture for you of what is happening here....that's all! Sorry bud! ❤️

I haven't been avoiding anything though. I've already mentioned that the human bodies natural survival instincts are to avoid pain and suffering.....but that doesn't mean that things that cause it, are evil or bad! Basically, humans in the past couldn't find any real answers or meaning to anything, so they just made up their own. When one stops carrying around all these conditioned beliefs, they no longer hold weight in ones experience. It actually opens up room for additional discoveries. The words and concepts become meaningless and it's finally recognized that these beliefs were actually creating or shaping the dream story in which one lives in! See, even without these beliefs the rain still falls, the sun still shines and the wind still blows. They simply aren't needed. ❤️

I definitely understand what you mean! For me: Conditioned Society = Matrix or Dream Story.....& within this dream story or matrix, there are things like: Value, Meaning, Purpose, Good & Bad, Right & Wrong, Evil & Godly, Heaven & Hell, God & Satan etc...etc... I'm usually always talking in reference to biggest picture understanding outside of conditioned society, which can be very confusing! I totally get how it can sound like deflection, avoidance, spiritual bypassing, escapism, going down the wrong path etc etc... But for that to be valid, there first has to be an initial belief in right or wrong to start with.....that first initial belief is the culprit of misunderstandings. Example: For someone to be labeled as bypassing, avoiding the "truth" or deflecting, there first has to be a belief that there really is a higher "truth" or a right or wrong path one could accidentally stumble down. Logically speaking, someone can't go down the wrong path if there isn't a real right path to begin with......get my point! These discussions points coming from me, would probably not help someone dealing with mental health issues and trying to find solid life morals to live by. I really only come and chat on this forum because Leo's content was helpful in providing numerous outside the box thinking strategies and or contemplation techniques and really great videos at a time when nobody else was really diving into the really meaty topics of spirituality and non-duality. Maybe the time has come for the old vegan to move along 🥲 ❤️

But if @Letho says its evil, its evil lol.....get out of here with that dude! 🤣

I've explained things clearly but you can't grasp what's being said or your just not listening. You keep talking about evil and suffering over and over again and can't see my point. The concept of good & evil is man made. It was created from a lack of understanding. It's a lazy way of dealing with misunderstood behaviors and actions....period! There is absolutely no universal good and evil standards in reality because there isn't a higher dictating source..........that makes your theories nothing more than a biased conditioned belief system that you grasp tightly to because your afraid! Sorry bud! Nothing more than scared human creations! ❤️

The claim is that all so-called evil doings could be chalked up as simply someone with serious mental illness or a history of abuse or both! If that's classified in society as evil......then I guess it's evil according to society! It would sound like ignorance to me! ❤️

@Letho I can tell you think you're smart. That's great! You remind me of a fairly educated brainwashed christian! You use big words, but they actually make you sound silly! Btw, how many different accounts do you use to praise yourself hahahaha! The thing about non-duality is, it doesn't matter what level of education you've convinced yourself of having...... that socially conditioned education is the biggest obstacle to discovering truth....good luck! "The biggest barrier to learning and making new discoveries is not a lack of knowledge, but rather the false belief that one already knows enough, preventing them from actively seeking further understanding" ‐ Daniel J. Boorstin. ❤️

🤣 Oh noooo Is the consequence fairy going to come put a tack under my pillow. I'm so afraid of suffering nooooo 😅😂🤣 ❤️

Dude you seriously make things way overly complex! Your notions of evil are social constructs period!..... If you can't clearly see that, I don't know what to tell you! Your so-called evil is just basic human events that you're over dramatizing to make a point. Believe what you want because you are definitely not picking up what's being said and that's just fine! Things aren't evil just because you say they are and don't like the outcome! ❤️

Well it's not a philosophy or a belief and it doesn't teach anything. It doesn't lead anyone anywhere or have an agenda to push. It's an empty message. Its also not an attempt to swap one belief out for another. It leaves the canvas blank without any paint on it. It's very "childlike" in the sense that it's prior to the societal conditioning most are subjected to, while growing up! It's similar to Ralstons discussions about Unknowing.....but its also not that, and simultaneously it includes that as well because it's Everything. It has nothing to do with so-called knowledge, experience or teaching of any sort. Its a communication attempting to point out the Unconditional Freedom of Everything, exactly as it appears to be, and prior to any so-called knowledge about it! It's not even a something to be gotten because it's already the case. ❤️

Ah gotcha, so your foundation for your so-called morals, stems from fear of experiencing those consequences.....interesting 🤔 That so-called moral weight, is a completely fictional scale of measurement created by your very own conditioned way of thinking(matrix). Labeling natural life experiences as evil, is just a lazy way of dealing with fear based problems. Concocted stories from scared humans does not give anyone a very accurate moral compass! There is no need here to waste my energy on rejecting the belief in a higher power. It just becomes blatantly obvious, that these ridiculous fear based religious stories have nothing to do with truth! Stop believing that humans from thousands of years ago or any time period, had some kind of sacred knowledge to pass down. Those people we're just as clueless as humans are today about How & Why! Only worse because they created a bunch of BS stories raging chaos across the planet as a religious weapon of war! So one could actually say the concept of Evil was created by ignorance & fear! ❤️

I get what your saying overall. I'm not disagreeing that there aren't apparent consequences in life that inflict pain and mental suffering.....it's very obvious that there are! I'm talking about the meaning of the word "Evil" itself and what it typically insinuates. It's usually tied to a religious insinuation: Good vs Evil; Heaven vs Hell; God vs Satan....blah blah blah! What's being said here is that pain and suffering are just one of the many consequences of life or reality. Just like feeling blissful or blessed or secure or insecure or cursed. When there isn't a real higher source to compare anything to, how could anything ever be truly confirmed as being Good or Evil? or If there isn't a higher dictating force or creator of apparent reality, how could there actually be any real morals? Humans dont like this because it sounds like chaos or anarchy.......so they created there own(religion), stemming from fear. Humans want to feel grounded in some sort of meaning and purpose cradle. They want to have direction, but in reality, there isn't any. Sure there are natural biological instincts for the human body to survive, but that doesn't constitute real universal meaning or purpose. For the record......This realization would not help someone with mental health issues, or maybe anyone at all for that matter 🤣.....which is why I said what I said earlier. Apparently reality wasn't particularly concerned about its inhabitants feeling safe and secure with a meaningful existence when it took shape! 🤣 Where can we send the complaints 🤔 ❤️

You're just repeating the same things over and over! I've already mentioned that it's natural human instinct to help someone in distress, prior to any thought about it. If nothing ultimately matters then it also doesn't matter to act on those natural biological survival instincts. So-called evil people are mentally unstable and often childhood abuse victims. See how that changes things rather quickly? Your so-called evil exists theory could very easily be reworded to simly a severe mental health conflict. Hitler was a complete nutcase...... His parents were abusive alcoholics. These nutcases are often attention seekers also 😔 You are more than welcome to believe anything you want.... That's what's being experienced there! It's just not a universal truth or anything like that. Its just conditioned beliefs probably pushed onto you from a young gullible age....nothing more nothing less! ❤️

You are just misunderstanding what is being said. You are also then placing your misunderstandings of what's being said, onto me, and then saying see your theories aren't correct 🤣 The recognition of nothing ultimately mattering, does not mean you become an emotionally numb individual sitting in a chair druling and spouting nothing matters lol. If nothing matters, then it also doesn't matter if you help a person or person's in need, regardless of beliefs about Why! Most people don't sit in thought about Why they would rescue someone in distress, they just act, which are those biological survival instincts we discussed. And it wouldn't be acting on your own values necessarily if someone needed rescuing. That's assisting them in there struggle for survival...their needs or beliefs about the importance of survival. Both good and evil are simply human creations or concepts.....nothing more! There is no universal scripture of meaning and purpose; good and evil written in the cosmos and delivered to us humans to follow. Those are absolutely bias conditioned human creations that were created by fear of the unknown! ❤️

It's obvious that you really want there to be a big important universal meaning/purpose to apparent reality....it's just not the case. Overall existence could care less about your socially conditioned human beliefs, about things mattering. Ultimately nothing matters in any way at all! Sorry, but the biased self constructs opinions do not apply universally or anything like that! There's no higher power or energy dictating these concepts either! Meaning, purpose and value are all merely conceptual stories stemming from fear & neediness of the self construct.....nothing more! It's that free! ❤️

Yes humans and animals all have that biological survival instinct. But what animals don't do is create an endless conceptual storyline of illusory importance on top of apparent reality, and operate from that assumed perspective. Their brains don't create repeated stories of WHY over and over again. The conditioned self construct lives in a world of meaning and purpose. It can't understand a reality without it.....it feels way to unstable and triggers fear.......same with death. The self construct can't fathom death because death is the end of experience......all it knows is experience, so death is scary for it! That fear is essentially how all religions were created...... If we create a story of an afterlife, we all feel better yay! There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with creating an illusion of meaning and purpose to reality....it's just what self's do! Nothing matters in the sense that when these bodies die, they won't know they ever existed. Every living entity in existence will eventually die......so nothing ultimately matters in that sense! That doesn't mean there can't be survival or taking care of one's mental health and such! I would still help someone out of a burning home even though I understand that ultimately nothing matters! ❤️

This isn't a mental health therapy forum. You should maybe encourage people needing that kind of support, to seek elsewhere if you care that much. I'm not rejecting anything or trying to push a belief system, but I can understand how it might seem that way. I don't have any answers, my comments are useless for a "me" construct. Give me an actual example of how that so-called "knowing worth" & "real insight" has made any positive impact in your life or anyone else's. That so-called knowledge is an illusion of importance. Sorry! Meaning, value, purpose......all illusions of the matrix of mind ❤️

Yup, Nothing is good either! Being good or spiritual is just another attempt to make self/ego feel better about itself! Ultimately it doesn't matter which direction anything goes because direction is an illusion! Right and wrong are simply concepts created by scared conditioned humans! Reality is complete chaos or anarchy.....that's why religion was created! Because of fear an illusory dictator or commandments are created! ❤️

Yup ma'am, It's a complicating illusion that thrives in creating conceptual stories and layers(matrix) Delusional complexity fits well 🤣 ❤️