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@LfcCharlie4 I appreciate you trying to help I'm just simply not seeking anything anymore...thank you!! Its very kind ❤ I'm liberated and really starting to enjoy life... freedom is Freer than free, it's what was already the case...❤ “Comparison is the death of joy.” – Mark Twain

Yes the separate self is never happy with where it currently is...it's always looking to attain something else... More understanding, more beautiful aspects to experience, more absolute perspective to obtain, more I know something that somebody else doesn't... more more more but you can always recognize it because its never satisfied. He looks pretty happy if you ask me... He is from UK also..

I agree with a lot of stuff you shared here...❤ There is simply nothing left here requiring any kind of personal development goals to be accomplished or learned. There is no one here to have a need to attain anything. There is no goal, there is no purpose, there is no meaning... nothing really matters that's not a bad thing it's complete boundless freedom... I can quite literally sit on the couch and eat cookies for the rest of my life and feel whole and complete the entire time while I'm doing it. The illusory egoic self agenda has been completely seen through here... Nowhere to go...nothing to do and no one to be...its paradise it's the Kingdom of Heaven it's Enlightenment. There's nothing wrong with the way you're doing it either it's all perfect and it's all within THIS... everything happens within THIS... there's no escaping it nor denying it.. ❤ Pure unconditional love for THIS is what remains...❤

Another way to put it is recognizing both never existed to begin with ❤

We have actually discussed this topic before...❤ When your name is called the body turns because of its conditioning... the same way you can drive all the way to the store and not even realize you did it...its conditioning... it runs on autopilot... the sense of personality remaining is also still just the conditioning. Duality is an illusion.... no matter how much you imagine separation to be real, it is an illusion, and just because something appears as separate does not mean it is... Its all One appearing as many. It's not that humanity is denied or anything like that, its completely recognized there is no true ME inside the body. There was never a small self and there isn't a large self either that makes no sense... even the big self or true self is an illusion there isn't a ME inside the body period... I completely understand what you're talking about with the zen ox heading pictures and returning back to the marketplace. Before Enlightenment chop wood and carry water after Enlightenment chop wood and carry water. The difference is the resistance to what is is dropped...totally got it. The path to freedom is not self improvement, or somehow satisfying the self’s agenda, but it’s a dropping of the self’s agenda altogether. Some people fear that awakening their true nature will mean that they lose their individuality and enjoyment of life. Actually, the opposite is true; the unique individuation of the soul can only be expressed when the conditioned self is overcome. Because we remain asleep in the matrix most of us never find out what the soul actually wants to express. Maya or the illusion has to have been completely seen through for True Enlightenment to have taken place. I am not in any way accusing you of not having a full Enlightenment experience I'm just saying that it seems there are some fairly large differences between my experience and yours.. Going full circle does not seem to match or describe this experience here. For this unit here there was a radical transformation, shift and expanse of Consciousness if you will. I'm not interested in the same things I used to be and almost all of my future goals have completely changed or just dissolved. Again I'm not trying to compare experiences or say one was better than the other. Instead of calling it going for Circle... I would describe it as "Full self transformation and Liberation from the egoic self agenda and social conditioning which I call The Matrix". ❤ Merry Christmas brother!! ? Talk with you soon hopefully ❤

The conditioned mind interprets things from the subject/object perspective: I'm here, and I'm important, and everything else is out there. Our mind creates right and wrongs, good and bad's, should and should not's. It also creates the illusory belief that we are separate, and have Free Will and Choice. When the mechanism that creates pain and suffering is completely seen through, and ignorance is dispelled, a deep understanding for why things are the way they are, and why people behave the way they behave...arises. This dispelling of ignorance and arising of true wisdom seems to take the sting out of life's so-called negative events(everything is seen as neutral and there not taken personal any longer). The resistance to what arises out of life is dropped and allows for true unconditional love to shine through. After all the only thing that creates a negative outlook on an event is our own minds perceiving it to be that way. Awareness alone is Curative!! 2 things that create more pain and suffering: 1) Constantly seeking to find something outside of oneself to make itself Feel Complete (this seeking perpetuates the illusion/belief that the self is incomplete or lacking on some way). 2) Resisting what is... (resistance to the current situation that life is presenting... this is actually a form of insanity). You don't see gazelles holding grudges on the lion that just ate their brother in the wild... they Shake It Off and move on. They don't have an ego to start over-thinking and creating a bunch of Illusions around what happened to this important personal ME... When the fear of death is no longer an issue... When life is simply experienced with an optimistic open arms approach....when with filters,veils and judgements are removed... life's happenings appear much differently ❤ Its recognized that: Happiness is a choice!! ?

I guess it depends on your definition of intelligence. It may not have the intelligence to understand itself like you said but when the egoic self agenda is recognized to be an illusion, and stops being identified with, the mind can be used in great service to humanity. Of course if existence turns out to Simply Be a dream I guess nothing really matters lol. If it wasn't for the mind your ancestors may have got eaten by a saber tooth tiger. Everything has its purpose some things just need to be adjusted or tamed down a bit ❤

"The paradox is that THIS, this appearance, isn't what it appears to be. It is and it isn't. It's no-thing being something. It's emptiness appearing as everything. It's unified appearing as divided or separated. Within this apparent paradox arises an experience. That experience is, that this appearance is happening to 'me'. That experience is not paradoxical; it feels very real. There's no space, no room, no possibility for the reality, that 'this' isn't happening to ‚me’. That experience of duality is dissatisfying. It's uncomfortable. Out of that experience arises the need to bring about a wholeness, to cover up the feeling that what is, isn't complete, to make the feeling that it's not okay - okay. Out of that arises the need for good and bad and right and wrong. So this appearance then turns into ‚my life‘, and my life is the need to make 'this' better, 'this' good, to find out or to solve the problem of why I don't feel like it's okay, why I feel like something's wrong, why I feel like I need to seek, to find something else. There's nothing that needs to be said. This is a response to the apparent question of the experience, that something needs to happen. The answer is: "No, there's nothing that needs to happen." The solution or the end of the seeking isn't a finding. That need to find something is never satisfied; it never happens. If it does, it's very temporary. I find something and I'm afraid of losing it; I find something and I'm trying to hold onto it; I'm trying something and I'm trying to maintain it. It's never satisfied. The end of the seeking is the end of the seeker, is the end of the experience, that 'this' is real. What's left is what's already obviously everything: THIS. This doesn't need anything else, this is already all there is. Whatever is happening—whatever feelings, thoughts, experiences are happening—that is the wholeness that is looked for. It's not the wholeness the individual's looking for. It's not the wholeness that the "I am" is looking for. It will always be dissatisfied with this. It's a wholeness that's beyond the personal seeking, beyond the personal need for something more or something else". - Jim Newman

I hear this a lot and it seems to be confused a lot There's no master telling anyone to kill the ego... you can't kill the ego... The process is a diss identification with the egoic self agenda or ego. Essentially the ego deflates and it's rendered useless because you stopped paying it any attention. After Awakening the ego is completely seen through and recognized as an illusion ❤ Loving the ego isn't what you want to do either because it's perpetuating the illusion..

It would be the opposite...❤ Formlessness believing that its form only.

It's closer than close and when you recognize there is no "I", its liberation..❤

The ego isint actually real, its completely seen through during Awakening and recognized it never existed in the first place. ❤ Merry Christmas ?

@Anna1 ❤ Merry Christmas to you and your family...?

What was meant by this is its very common in the spiritual community for individuals to say they dropped the small self and became the True self or big self. Then these individuals claim that they dropped the sense of self and are just embracing pure conscious awareness... essentially what has happened is the sense of self snuck in the back door and is now claiming its the True self. I was saying this sense of true self is also an illusion ❤

There are 2 things I'm aware of Anna: 1) There is no separate ME never was never will be.. 2) THIS (anything apart from THIS current experience is unknown) if you find something outside of THIS let me know.. ❤

God everything is so beautiful... If it's this let it be this..let us recognize it.. Please let the Seekers find.... ..and let the questioners have their questions answered.. God its incredible why is it for the few.. Please let the eyes and ears function❤

I'm sorry if I offended or hurt you, it was not my intention. I have nothing but unconditional love for THIS! From the heart ❤ : When the mechanism that creates suffering and separation is seen through there can be nothing else❤ unconditional love IS. I'm a little concerned for some of the mods... it's almost as if some of you believe you have to know all the right answers to be a mod... Excuse the language...I have been experiencing a gradual Enlightenment/Deep SAMADHI experience over the last 3 years... I would be willing to explain my whole story anytime... (there was a lot of suffering and a lot of meditation involved).. I am here to help... Although recently I have realized that everything is perfect, even if One Believes they're a limited separate self...❤ One of my biggest Awakening experiences occurred after watching Leo's Collective ego video. He really did his homework on this one and hit it spot on like a lot of his videos... very grateful ❤ It might be beneficial to watch this with razor sharp vision... even Osho fell prey to Collective ego issues.. Since you're asking I would consider myself a fully balanced stage turquoise according to Leo's spiral Dynamics videos and yes I have paid attention closely.. 3 years ago I started off as some blue some orange some green(center balance) some yellow. Interesting right.. My deep Samadhi experience almost mimicked exactly that of this video which I stumbled upon after doing YouTube research for something explaining my situation. A Course in Miracles explains the separation never occurred... Nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists herein lies the peace of God. The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance it's the illusion of knowledge.. Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas oh what a Merry Christmas Day.....?

I understood sorry...the whole topic is wild... sometimes I just say things to get my own mind questioning... I know you guys understand ❤ Ram Dass used to say " let's all walk each other home"

THIS is definitely wild whatever it is. It's very interesting I went on a journey 2 years ago to find the truth and came back completely empty... There is no truth, there is no ME and the journey was already the answer ❤

Very true...❤

Well there is no you and there is no me ...misunderstanding just happens

Consciousness implies there's someone here to be conscious. Dreamer implies there's someone here to be dreaming. Its just THIS! Everything else is unknown ❤