VeganAwake

There's really no reason to fear life or death because there isn't anyone actually alive in the body in which could die. And yet repetitive feelings of fear can still seem to arise in the body, along with any other feelings/emotions. ❤️

The body is either alive or dead. The "sense of self" doesn't die because it's already not real. So there's nothing there in which could reincarnate. Emptiness!! Constricted energy seemingly being a separate someone....but it's maya an illusion of self! ❤️

Liberation is the end of that needy ME character trying to attain it. It's the end of that sticky self construct that's never satisfied. Liberation is already the case but the self illusion feeling seperate and lacking, goes on an endless mission to find wholeness within wholeness. ❤️

It's not that everything is you including the different bodies and their conditioning! Its that there isn't a real you or them inside the body between the eyes. It's an illusion of self. If there is still a someone claiming to be all of it, that is just the illusion of self... There isn't a you & there isn't a them. No separation in that sense Not because you are everything. But because you and them are not even real. ❤️

That so-called consciousness bubble is just the bodily senses coupled with the conditioned imagination. Nobody gets any spiritual cookies by just calling the everyday human experience, consciousness. This word is way overused on the forum! ❤️

If you won a lamborghini in the lottery, would you park it and study it for years first to figure out exactly how everything in that car works the way it does? Or would you get your best buddy in the passenger seat and take that mean machine for a cruise outside the city limits? Knowing is overrated! The "illusion of self" thinks that it can know reality. It literally believes that if it can understand reality, it will have some sort of special advantage. It doesn't, and the body will surely rot away like the rest. The illusion of self doesn't die because it was never real from the start. There is no higher power behind the scenes creating everything. No God no Satan no heaven or hell realms. These are all just stories created by scared humans that can't except death. Even calling reality intelligent makes no sense because there's nothing to compare it to. It just is simply what it is. The good news is nothing matters at all. Whether it's spent studying the lamborghini or driving the lamborghini or both....does not matter in any way at all! There's no one on this planet that has an answer because infinity can't be grasped by relativity, nor could it be logically understood or explained by any human. There can of course be endless educated guesses and theories which amount to a dog poop on the sidewalk 🤣 Knowing is guessing in other words ❤️

You are saying we are in the dark ages still, but compared to what? Imagined alien technological advancements? What i'm saying is, we are only wherever we are at. How can there be a real comparison when there's only: "where were at" ❤️

@MVPJOURNEY I also do not think there real, although they still seem to have an effect on the body. There real & unreal these feelings 🤔 Try swimming laps in a pool to burn excess energy, it stretches and relaxes the body also. It's the killer diller!!!!👊 Everything is already complete ❤️

Maybe just figure out being human first. Literally master being a human, whatever that means to you. And if God realization happens along the way, so be it! ❤️

Yep, ? And sometimes when this "sense of self" is seen through, it can seem like an unraveling of identity or death. The energy once used on the self illusion is released back into everything. It becomes obvious that there never was an "I" There's no one left to fall back asleep & claim to be god or anything else for that matter. All this desperate spiritual seeking ends because nobody's left trying to reach or attain something. ❤️

Insert guy eating popcorn meme here: ❤️

But enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with "grasping the whole of reality" Rather its clearly seeing that this ME character trying to grasp infinity, isn't actually there. This can feel like death for some and simultaneously like a relaxed energetic release away from upholding this illusion of self. A deflation of sorts. All its deeply seeded societal conditioning is seen through, & It eventually gets starved of energy. It seems hidden until it's obvious! ❤️

Nice bro hehe!! ? For me hope is just another word for not being satisfied with the current experience of reality. There's no one left here that's satisfied or unsatisfied, which funny enough, is satisfying in itself! Much respect your motivation for truth bro! ?

What do you mean by dangerous! How is someone believing/doing the same things over and over again dangerous. Sounds boring to me! ❤️

Sounds normal enough to me. Maybe pick up some ice breakers or jokes. Plan to mention a topic or two that your super familiar with. Go with a close friend that gets you! ❤️

Those enlightened guys and gals over there seem to be having a better experience than I am having. Maybe if I do A, B, & C, I can also have a better experience like theirs in the future. Sounds silly enough but the conditioned mind will fall for it 60% of the time everytime! ? ❤️

? spiritual materialism ❤️

Yeah, I can see that!! I'm married with 3 kids and we have a 2 year old German doodle so I jump on & off quickly usually I also use voice text on my cell probably 80% of the time. For me it just seems like certain words "hit the mark" better than others, so I probably way overuse them. Maybe I listened to too many spiritual woo woo books in my early days...I dunno ? There's definitely some sort of human- being over here reading and responding though. ?

When you get down to the brass tacks, enlightenment isn't any better or worse than anything else because it just becomes obvious that this 'ME' construct which judges things as better or worse, isn't real and never was....... It just seemed to be! ?

Well escaping implies that someone is bound. What's being said is there isn't a real you to escape. It's an illusion of self! Everything else is just bad interpretation! ❤️

Haha, no need to call it stupid but I get what you mean. It occasionally tries its best lol. Here it just became obvious that the illusion of self/mind desperately attempts to understand and know reality but through its deeply conditioned or biased perspective. This illusion of self/perspective, spins all kinds of radical stories about how and why reality is the way it is............this is what i refer to as the dream story or matrix but just with a spiritual twist added...... In other words it attempts to grasp the ungraspable absolute or infinity, place it in a box and mark it off as known..... This could also be referred to as spiritual ego, but to each their own I guess. Basically it's always trying to get to a better experience in the future. It never becomes completely satisfied. ❤️ "The interpreter has left the building, I repeat the interpreter has left the building" ?

Well then yeah bro that's what's being experienced there..... it's whole, complete and perfect ❤️

Awesome, just remember, it's not forcing the mind to be empty.... The mind empties itself under the weight of recognizing it's beliefs are all conditioned BS. ❤️

No its not choosing or cherry picking....It's recognizing that PA isn't a real entity as or within the body. It can be difficult to empty the glass because it feels like death, but that is what Ralston is talking about in his "book of not knowing" ❤️