VeganAwake

It sounds like the quote I like to use: "The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge" Simply put if you think you already know the answer you won't be willing to accept the truth when you hear it. It's related to the 'emptying your glass' statement. ?

I resonate a lot with what this guy has to say...its worth a listen. He's been on Buddha at the gas pump and is well known for his non-dual Awakening experience. ❤

The answer is that it's unknowable ?

If you have time...this is an amazing video I recommend on this forum all the time. It almost mimics exactly that of my own experience ? The way it explains the egoic self agenda is profound...

You can private message me if you like.

I can try...❤ sure

Trust me I understand your judgments bud... it's hard enough using language to describe anything let alone texting it on a forum...❤ Good luck on your journey my friend... I'm here if you ever want to private message me or do a Skype or something ?

The cosmic joke is when Enlightenment occurs the 'I' or 'ME' character has fallen away. I or ME is used here as an expression so it's understood what is being explained. Sometimes practices appear to perpetuate the belief of the illusory self and sometimes it appears to assist in waking up. It seems this energy simply wakes up to itself when its ready, but who knows. Tony Parson says it doesn't matter about practices....a person can be drunk in the gutter and have realization or be practicing yoga for 20 years. I'm sure there will be a lot more study on this. How attached an individual is to the illusory sense of self may play a role. What happened here was there was a desperate Seeker that made a commitment to find Enlightenment or die trying.... I was harnessing my anxiety energy to do this. Although at the time I didn't even know what I was seeking... kind of funny After about a year I felt myself burning out I thought I must have come across the answer by now what am I missing. I remember hearing it is a turning within and a falling away process. I immediately turned inwards.... it seemed that energy I was harnessing recognized almost immediately the sense of self was an illusion made up of beliefs ideas and perceptions about myself. The layers started crumbling away and burning up within the light of awareness. This energy seemed to fall back into itself which is everything and nothing. It seems to be an energetic shift and not just a conceptual understanding.. as I've come across a lot of people that understand but haven't had the energetic shift happen... this can't explain it over here either...its crazy! Anyways other things seemed to follow this first recognition... it was recognized the Mind had been identified with this energy and believed it to be the sense of ME. There was an untangling from social conditioning and a snapping out of the Matrix as I like to describe. After walking through this gateless gate when you look back you see the illusion of the self was never even there... it was energy in disguise as an I. It was a misidentification... " The separation never occurred" - A Course in Miracles Remember this message of Enlightenment does not help the believed individual. In fact the illusory individual does not want to hear this message and can't hear it for that matter. There has to be something that awakens from its slumber and removes the veil. Let those who have ears to hear listen. ❤

I'm not as rigid in my beliefs as you probably think. When I recognized there was no me inside the body controlling everything, I began to question if there was a controller at all... I'm not trying to convert anyone it just appears to be the case ❤ What do you think is going on?

Yeah that poor guy has no game lol... the cartoon girl is kind of cute ?

You really should do your own investigation on this...❤ Our minds try to rationalize everything and make it appear as everything's in control... There's nothing in control... It's wild chaotic Boundless Energy... But at the same time there's nothing special about it.. Its just WHAT IS ❤

I understand exactly what you're saying ❤ The message that nothing really matters feels threatening at first to the separate self. Later it's recognized that it's pure boundless freedom and unconditional love. The separate self knows nothing else but to seek.... this constant seeking perpetuates the belief in its realness and on and on running on the hamster wheel endlessly. It will even turn not seeking into a form of seeking. "The ego says seek but do not find" - A Course in Miracles The thing to recognize is that one way isn't better than the other, it's all happening within THIS...and its WHAT IS ❤ you are absolutely perfect just the way you are nothing needs to happen. What is being communicated is, sometimes this illusory separate self falls away and it's recognized that it never existed. It's important for you to find your own truth about this... do not just take my word blindly... check it out for yourself ❤

We think that if our body freezes in time, the world will freeze with it. The world doesn't freeze, it just goes on doing its thing without us being apart of it. The make-believe story of the individual feels so important... everything has perfect equal importance... a perfect balance of zero ?

There is no right or wrong answer, you are free to do whatever you want. There is not a controller, I think it's just Boundless Energy doing its thing infinitely. We are it and it is we ?

This was really ? ❤

Yep you got it ❤..... it's always been in plane sight, just overlooked. Yes words simply cannot come close..

I've seen this before yes it's funny... it really shows how limited language is in explaining the nonduality communication. ❤ thanks for sharing

I've had Direct experiences revealing that there is no Observer big or small... nothing directing or dictating anything it's just simply Boundless Energy doing its thing... Crazy right this is Boundless Energy communicating to Boundless Energy.... Its 2 wild lol

What's being explained is there is no my story and there is no your story, it's just stories being shared with no one lol... It's completely incomprehensible and wild...❤

Yes there can still be a message shared but it does not belong to a separate individual because the separate individual is an illusion. Liberation is the end of suffering because it's recognized the individual suffering was an illusion. ?

I've been going through a 3 year gradual Enlightenment experience. About a year-and-a-half ago, I stopped seeking and turned within and recognized the self created ME character was simply an illusion compiled of energy, thoughts, beliefs, ideas and perceptions about myself. I began shedding the layers of the illusory self. The ME character fell away and it was simultaneously recognized that it never existed. I untangled from social conditioning and snapped out of The Matrix... At this point I would consider myself completely liberated from the prison of the mind. I'm a senior equipment operator first class in the US Navy Seabees on active duty. I've been in for 18 years... I'm stationed in Port Hueneme California. I have more free time than most people in the military because we are currently in Home Port and I just manage and make sure people do their jobs. I really don't do any practices any longer because it feels like a constant meditative state.

Maybe It's tough to become conscious of because it isn't happening...

"There never was a you, it was simply a bunch of energy thinking it was a somebody that had free will and choice hahaha" - VeganAwake

Our minds create an individual story... Our minds create an overlay that's placed on top of reality and judge it according to our conditioning. If it's something that helps the story of ME or goes along with my beliefs it's labeled good. If it goes against my beliefs it's labeled bad. This ME characters story is called Maya the illusion of the self. It isn't real. If we were to remove the thinking mind out of the equation it's just existence happening for no one. There would be no purpose no meaning nothing to do and nowhere to go. Just existence happening the way it happens....its THIS! Duality is an illusion, there was never any separation because there is no one actually here to be separated, it was an illusion(Maya) Note: This cannot be understood by the dualistic thinking mind, typically an Awakening needs to occur before this is seen through... After non-dual awareness is present the line between subject and object blurs because it's recognized the separation never occurred. It's simultaneously recognized that Free Will and choice is also an illusion. Things are just happening regardless of whether we are creating a personal illusory story about it or not... ❤