VeganAwake

It sounds like a big difference in the message.. Yes the separate self hates this message and avoids it completely... best bet sounds like it would be too avoid topics I post in I guess... Good luck ❤

Well even if you/we were all God it would have no meaning purpose or value whatsoever and obviously you can't do any superpowers so what's the point of caring... You are not special in any way whatsoever in having that realization...

There's no one here to think it sounds ridiculous or perceive there is a God... That's all Maya illusion of of the self ❤

There is no answer because there is no one here to ask a question. Question and answer = complete emptiness It's coming from nothingness and arriving at nothingness

Let me guess I am God but I've placed myself in the finite form and rendered myself powerless....lol Time for something new bud... doesn't that just sound ridiculous... There is no God and there was never a you..

Well what's been recognized here is that there isn't a ME or Others... This is exactly why Leo says to go out and find your own truth instead of adopting his beliefs.

There is no belief taken on... that's a misunderstanding.. What's been recognized by no one is the separate self that seems to be identified with the human body is not real. It's not a gaining of understanding it's a falling away of something that never existed

Fortunately nothing that was discussed on this thread has any meaning purpose or value whatsoever... There isn't anyone for it to meen anything for... The highest teaching coined by VeganAwake is of course: "Nothing Matters" - VeganAwake ? This same teaching is actually in relation to: "Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists, herein lies the peace of God" - A Course in Miracles

Think of humans just like animals... they have Natural Instincts and conditioning to the surrounding environment. Then the separate sense of self or ego starts being created from around the age of 2 and keeps attaching things and beliefs to its sense of self and believes it's running the human body... it literally thinks it is the human body.... This illusion of the ME that appears in the human body is completely unreal... When Awakening occurs this sense of ME is completely seen to be illusory.(IT FALLS AWAY) This is why it's called Awakening... You quite literally wake up out of the dream of being a separate 'ME' inside the body... I just like how well she describes things. ?

I mentioned this before.... a quick way you can tell if something is ego driven is by not doing it.... If by not doing the action, there's a feeling of guilt or diminishment of ones sense of self worth. You can be sure it's the egoic self agenda at work as the spiritual ego/ do-gooder ego... the new higher self... shoot that's just spiritual ego sneaking in the back door and taking its control back to survive.

It's a freedom message and its intention is to deprogram the social conditioning and egoic self agenda.. Snapping out of The Matrix claiming your freedom... Breaking Free from the confines of your own mind. This isn't saying one way is better than the other it just seems that some people want this message attempts to reveal ❤

It's not dualistic because the separate self never actually existed it's a misidentification that has the power create an effect. Something cannot be dualistic when one thing is real and the other does not exist. There needs to be two apparently real objects for dualism to even exist..( a hot desert and the Mirage of water in the desert does not create dualism because the Mirage was never real to begin with) There's still a conditioned body here ...you will still turn your head if somebody calls your name or jump out of the way of a train.. the human body may still prefer tea over coffee and knows to get a drink of water or get something to eat.

U got it ?

Well this was just what I needed right before bed to go along with my cabin fever symptoms ?

I really like this guy, he's got a lot of good solid information out there. It was so funny, I was literally discussing this topic with Tony Parsons and then his video popped up like 2 hours later... strange coincidence maybe, maybe not. ❤

For the record this statement was not directed towards anybody... or have some kind of hidden hurtful meaning. It was pointing out that the separate self does not want to hear a message about its own unreality... that's what was meant by tossing it over the head of the separate individual. Something underneath the separate sense of self hears this message and resonates.

It seems like there's someone here that stated something, trusts it and believes it to be true.. Also it appears there's someone there that can see things clearly.. This is Maya the illusion of self... it isn't real... it's Indescribable and incomprehensible... it can't be intellectually understood really. When the separate sense of self apparently falls away then it is experienced... So it sounds humorous and illogical because it isn't your experience...

@Nahm ❤ here is another way of explaining why I'm not taking input: Let's say that you give me directions on how to tune up my Chevy Corvette... Now everything is going great and your directions appear clear and concise, but as I go to unlock the hood latch, my hand just goes through the hood, its recognized the Chevy Corvette isn't real... it is a hologram that looked completely real. Now it wouldn't make sense to continue trying to tune up this holographic Chevy Corvette would it? From time to time people walk by your house and comment on how nice of a Corvette you have, and sometimes you almost identify with it being real because it looks so real....but deep down you know it isn't real... the bottom of the bucket has fallen out and it is not holding water any longer.. The illusion has been completely seen through so any attempts to fix up the Chevy Corvette would be simply ridiculous and perpetuating the belief that it's actually real. It is not a personal thing that I have against your input...it wouldn't matter if you or anyone else was giving it to the apparent ME.... it's just recognized here that there is nothing for the individual to gain because there isn't one. ❤

Yes exactly spot on.. Even the constant seeking is IT...

Okay thank you I appreciate the offer and vice versa..❤

Or it could be said that the emptiness of no self/no belief is the freedom itself. But there's no one here that believes anything because the self isn't real.

There's an apparent death of a human body, but no YOU that knows that... The YOU that believes its the human body is the illusion itself (MAYA)... so nothing is going to die because there was never anything actually born. It's completely radical and incomprehensible...its THIS!!

I understand what you're saying... Embodying Nothing matters does not mean your going to sit on a log drooling on yourself for the remainder of life because nothing matters so f*** everything there's nothing to do. It's the recognition that there isn't anyone here for anything to actually matter for (nothing matters doesn't reveal this... Awakening reveals it) and there are no end results of actions... It's a complete Freedom message but for No One. ❤

@WHO IS why not?