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Thanks man yes everybody's plans got canceled because of the coronavirus and it's interesting how many people are willing to talk about spirituality / non-duality... lots of opportunities to speak on Skype and zoom to some of these individuals that used to travel a lot ?

@zeroISinfinity yes it's crazy same thing here eating up all the food in the house homeschooling the kids and drinking beer.. its THIS ?

@zeroISinfinity You are sitting on this forum way too much you should be out helping the elderly... It's very important and it matters go now...show them the ancient practices..❤ Then and only then will you be saved from yourself.

Lol... As if you would have to believe you are God to help out an elderly woman... you're funny.. You simply don't understand what's being pointed to.. There's not any real individuals for anything to actually matter for. Nothing matters does not mean this body will not take action and help the elderly and things like that ...after all if nothing matters then it also doesn't matter if you help people. See Bud your message simply does not make any sense... Everything is God but then a deep critical judgment arises from over there that there's perversion ignorance BS harm and delusion. Good talk though I'm enjoying it thoroughly...❤

I don't think I've got anything bud... there is nothing to get... (there is no separate self) when the separate self Falls away there's everything & no thing for No One. Enlightenment isn't a gaining of something.. You can't destroy anything because there's nothing here that's believed in. There's unconditional love for all of apparent existence here... because it was recognized there was never a separation... it doesn't have to be your version of God realization to embrace unconditional love..❤ Now you could call that God realization but I don't like using the word god. It's an undescribable pure Potential energy with no agenda...no Higher Source dictating anything... If you believe there's some kind of goal or higher agenda for God that's fine it does not bother me at all... There's no meaning purpose or value to any of it because none of its real.. There are no separate individuals for anything to matter for..❤

Okay keep practicing God... he will one day find the answer in the future

I've made a thread about the dangers of what you've created... You basically just took the understanding of the self being God and placed it on top of the egoic self agenda... That's why none of your material makes any sense if you realized your god what do you need to seek any longer? That's why Leo preaches doing the work for yourself you can't just listen to somebody else and believe your God and think you are liberated unfortunately it's not that easy bud..

Something about the message triggers.... Doesn't leave a leg for the separate individual to stand on. The separate sense of self does not want to hear there's nothing to do and nowhere to go... it keeps itself Alive by running on the hamster wheel seeking perpetuating it's illusory unreality. All seeking energy can do is continue to seek.. Of course we all know the stance on anything mattering...

And that God realization if it were absolutely true... Has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever... Only the human mind thinks there's something to find that's meaningful or purposeful.. A retarded man or woman sitting on the grass drooling all over the self is exactly the same as Einstein dedicating his whole life to discovery. None of it has any meaning purpose or value whatsoever except to an individual human mind that might believe it means something.. In the story or the dream there's someone or something going somewhere... there's apparent goals meaning purpose value things to do things that need to be done. When traditional or real Awakening occurs... what's recognized is there is no one here to attain anything... the seeking energy Falls away and getting somewhere becomes a laughable matter... Here is all there is... and it's an undescribable unknowable appearance that's real and unreal... The position that knows I am here is a dream. There's nowhere to go nothing to do and no one to do it. But of course it's also so free you can do whatever you want. Total boundless perfect freedom for No One... It's THIS ❤

I spoke with Robert Wolfe after getting in touch with Natalie gray she gave me his phone number... he lives over here in Ojai California.. I've also recently spoken with Andreas Muller Tony Parsons and Eric Putkonen. I used to say things like intellectually understanding THIS isn't the same as awakening but I've began to recognize it's all tied in together the apparent outcomes of this knowledge or Awakening seem to vary for different apparent individuals.( of course individual personalities also affect the apparent outcomes) One thing that was recognized is all these individuals seem to have a very neutral state of mind... A constant inner peace river is always flowing regardless of situations. Walking the middle path... the resistance to life has been dropped. The constant striving to get my life in a better position has fallen away... it's recognized every position is already it. I would describe Robert Wolfe as almost nihilistic but then I began to recognize he just doesn't hold one emotion higher than any other... he's very calm Collective and neutral consistently. I did get him to crack a little laugh when I mentioned that to him.. Nowadays I would describe Enlightenment as the complete surrender to life, no more resistance to what is, but if resistance arises that resistance isn't resisted(if that makes sense) the constant striving to get my position in life into a better spot is gone... it's recognized every spot is gloriously already THIS ❤

I posted a website in the high Consciousness resources that may or may not be helpful... Ajata sunyata (Robert Wolfe) the recognition that even Oneness and the absolute are ultimately illusory. Nothing from the very start... I shared it with a few people... it's very well written... easy to understand... Read the essays!!

Liberation is more for psychological suffering.. When there's physical pain in the body the suffering can be increased by resisting it and making a big story out of the pain... when Liberation occurs the pain is no longer for an individual, it's just what's happening... it's no longer resisted it's accepted greatly decreasing if not eliminating the overall suffering effects. There can still be physical pain in the body which can be frustrating and distracting... The resistance to what is causes the suffering..

I'm just not sure what you're going to find Leo... To me God is Infinite Boundless Energy with pure potentiality... I don't sense an intelligence behind it that has a goal or purpose... I guess you could say it's intelligence lies in the fact that it has infinite potential. Meaning and purpose don't appear to be on its radar at all. I'm just not sure what you're trying to pin down, something that's infinite cannot be intellectually understood... Aren't you a little concerned you're going to run your avatar into the ground trying to understand the unknowable. I say this and simultaneously I guess you would never know until you try it for yourself ❤

This would be the closest one I would be aware of..

You are honest....like that ?

The separate self lives in a world of Hope and meaning. It believes if it looks hard enough it will find something that makes it feel complete. But nothing is missing and that which seeks isn't real. So basically finding an answer for the separate self is hopeless because there isn't one.. it's an illusion or misidentification with energy as a real entity.

"Non dualism points to the unknowing emptiness, appearing as what is, which is beyond experience and knowing" - Jim Newman

Is Trump going to win the election?

Yes nothing wrong with making the dream a little more comfortable.. Just being aware of the dream and egoic self agenda is priceless ?

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge.- Daniel J. Boorstin After talking with dozens of people seeking enlightenment or on the spiritual path, I started catching on to something very interesting... All the things they believe they need to do or not do to attain enlightenment. You see it is not the seeking or the practice that is the problem it is thinking you have found the answer and some external form that is the problem. I actually put together a list of roadblocks one of my good friends had created for himself after talking with him for several months: 1) he believed if he did not meditate when certain planets were aligned he might miss an opportunity to awaken. 2) he believed that meditating near Wi-Fi would render the practice useless. 3) that eating a raw vegan diet was a necessity. 4) that using a microwave will slow down progression. 5) that water fasting was mandatory because it got rid of fear. 6) that if he could just find that one piece of ancient Egyptian knowledge it would be the magic key. 7) if you can find the secrets of the gnostics and Freemasons it will open the gate. But nothing compared to his biggest roadblock of all.... Believing he was already enlightened!! See when you believe you have already attained Enlightenment you will not go through the difficult work of completely dropping the ego's self agenda, shedding the layers, becoming nobody and diving into the murky waters of the Abyss with only a thin piece of fishing line tied to your small toe to keep you from completely disattaching forever. Early on one of my own personal roadblocks was thinking I was not a nice enough person to deserve enlightenment. This path can already be difficult enough and everything you need on the journey is already in your own backpack so before you leave, toss to the side your roadblock material and booby traps. Trust me it's not needed. Are you creating roadblocks for yourself?

@Javfly33 ❤ ?