VeganAwake

Fortunately nothing that was discussed on this thread has any meaning purpose or value whatsoever... There isn't anyone for it to meen anything for... The highest teaching coined by VeganAwake is of course: "Nothing Matters" - VeganAwake ? This same teaching is actually in relation to: "Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists, herein lies the peace of God" - A Course in Miracles

Think of humans just like animals... they have Natural Instincts and conditioning to the surrounding environment. Then the separate sense of self or ego starts being created from around the age of 2 and keeps attaching things and beliefs to its sense of self and believes it's running the human body... it literally thinks it is the human body.... This illusion of the ME that appears in the human body is completely unreal... When Awakening occurs this sense of ME is completely seen to be illusory.(IT FALLS AWAY) This is why it's called Awakening... You quite literally wake up out of the dream of being a separate 'ME' inside the body... I just like how well she describes things. ?

Nothing hears it... the separate sense of self or ego just falls away.. nothing understands it, it just apparently happens. Prior to awakening the separate self does not want to hear this message and will always misinterpret it. Yes there's not really a misunderstanding in a sense that anything actually matters but it can help to understand how and what Awakening actually entails. Yes nothing is in order or out of order it's just as it is. There is absolutely an apparent happening ...I used to run around in the rat race trying to achieve achieve achieve gain gain improve improve.... the seeking energy was exhausting the human body. Anyone can say all day long that it's not a happening...but I guarantee if you compare two individuals one that's awakened and one that is not ...they will have very different lives... especially because awakened does not identify as a self and no longer suffers in self pitty/delusion. Just check out that samadhi movie, it almost mimicked identically the experience that occurred here.

It can just be a difficult topic to understand...❤ Someone can hear that the separate sense of self or the ego isn't real and that it's an illusion and they will interpret that as there's nothing that needs to be done because an illusion isn't real... But this is a misunderstanding... The separate self or ego is a compilation of energy thoughts beliefs ideas and labels... this misidentification as the 'ME' can keep one tied to social conditioning forever feeding their life to The Matrix.

What typically happens is people will try to bring the self with them while Awakening.... The issue is Awakening is when the self structure collapses.. You can change the name from seeking to exploration or whatever you want, but it's still the seeking energy continuing to seek. When true Awakening occurs and the self structure collapses along with the egoic self agenda, seeking becomes a ridiculous notion because who would be seeking when it's recognized there isn't anyone to find anything. the illusion is real and unreal... It's real in the sense that when you're identified with it, it has an effect and it seems real... It's unreal in the fact that it's not a real entity... This is why it's called an illusion...(its not real but seems real) Awakening is unidentifying with the illusion as the self.

I mentioned this before.... a quick way you can tell if something is ego driven is by not doing it.... If by not doing the action, there's a feeling of guilt or diminishment of ones sense of self worth. You can be sure it's the egoic self agenda at work as the spiritual ego/ do-gooder ego... the new higher self... shoot that's just spiritual ego sneaking in the back door and taking its control back to survive.

It's a freedom message and its intention is to deprogram the social conditioning and egoic self agenda.. Snapping out of The Matrix claiming your freedom... Breaking Free from the confines of your own mind. This isn't saying one way is better than the other it just seems that some people want this message attempts to reveal ❤

It's not dualistic because the separate self never actually existed it's a misidentification that has the power create an effect. Something cannot be dualistic when one thing is real and the other does not exist. There needs to be two apparently real objects for dualism to even exist..( a hot desert and the Mirage of water in the desert does not create dualism because the Mirage was never real to begin with) There's still a conditioned body here ...you will still turn your head if somebody calls your name or jump out of the way of a train.. the human body may still prefer tea over coffee and knows to get a drink of water or get something to eat.

U got it ?

Well this was just what I needed right before bed to go along with my cabin fever symptoms ?

When waking up occurred it was recognized that the separate self was never real to begin with. It was just a misidentification with the things that were mentioned earlier. Saying its like an illusion is just a word that comes close to describing how it seems. (something that is not really what it seems to be) You could switch up the word illusion with misidentification...it's just a word pointing. So when the misidentification stops occurring Awakening is the result. You couldn't wake up and then fall back asleep because the entire Paradigm is shattered. I know you said you don't watch videos but this video mimicked almost perfectly my exact experience. It's worth a watch if you get a chance one of the best movies on awakening in my opinion.

Yes exactly, an illusion is something that seems to be real but actually isn't. The self illusion ends up being a compilation of different things.... thoughts, contracted energy, ideas, judgements, beliefs and labels identified with since birth. The misidentification as the self with the compilation of these different things keeps one tied to social conditioning and stuck in The Matrix. Waking up is when you stop identifying as the limited self with these thoughts... there seems to be a disentangling from social conditioning and the egoic self agenda.... I call this snapping out of The Matrix.

I really like this guy, he's got a lot of good solid information out there. It was so funny, I was literally discussing this topic with Tony Parsons and then his video popped up like 2 hours later... strange coincidence maybe, maybe not. ❤

For the record this statement was not directed towards anybody... or have some kind of hidden hurtful meaning. It was pointing out that the separate self does not want to hear a message about its own unreality... that's what was meant by tossing it over the head of the separate individual. Something underneath the separate sense of self hears this message and resonates.

An illusion cannot create real Duality because the illusion itself is a misunderstanding, there never was an illusion or something separate. But that doesn't mean an illusion cannot create an effect. For example: The illusion of a water source in the desert can keep an individual walking towards it believing they're eventually going to get to the water... the water was never real but it still created an apparent effect in keeping the individual walking towards nothing. Or like when you try to touch a rainbow, as you get closer, it disappears and it's recognized it was never real to begin with....just a visual effect (smoke and mirrors)

After deep self inquiry the man recognized the separate sense of self that he had been identified with for 23 years was simply an illusion. (yes it's true in a sense to say Illusions are not real because, that's what Illusions are something that appeared to be real but wasn't)

Meaning of illusion in English illusion noun - an idea or belief that is not true: He had no illusions about his talents as a singer. I'm under no illusions (= I understand the truth) about the man I married. My boss is laboring under the illusion that (= wrongly believes that) the project will be completed on time. - something that is not really what it seems to be: A large mirror in a room can create the illusion of space The impression of calm in the office is just an illusion.

It seems like there's someone here that stated something, trusts it and believes it to be true.. Also it appears there's someone there that can see things clearly.. This is Maya the illusion of self... it isn't real... it's Indescribable and incomprehensible... it can't be intellectually understood really. When the separate sense of self apparently falls away then it is experienced... So it sounds humorous and illogical because it isn't your experience...

@Nahm ❤ here is another way of explaining why I'm not taking input: Let's say that you give me directions on how to tune up my Chevy Corvette... Now everything is going great and your directions appear clear and concise, but as I go to unlock the hood latch, my hand just goes through the hood, its recognized the Chevy Corvette isn't real... it is a hologram that looked completely real. Now it wouldn't make sense to continue trying to tune up this holographic Chevy Corvette would it? From time to time people walk by your house and comment on how nice of a Corvette you have, and sometimes you almost identify with it being real because it looks so real....but deep down you know it isn't real... the bottom of the bucket has fallen out and it is not holding water any longer.. The illusion has been completely seen through so any attempts to fix up the Chevy Corvette would be simply ridiculous and perpetuating the belief that it's actually real. It is not a personal thing that I have against your input...it wouldn't matter if you or anyone else was giving it to the apparent ME.... it's just recognized here that there is nothing for the individual to gain because there isn't one. ❤

Yes exactly spot on.. Even the constant seeking is IT...

Okay thank you I appreciate the offer and vice versa..❤

Or it could be said that the emptiness of no self/no belief is the freedom itself. But there's no one here that believes anything because the self isn't real.

There's an apparent death of a human body, but no YOU that knows that... The YOU that believes its the human body is the illusion itself (MAYA)... so nothing is going to die because there was never anything actually born. It's completely radical and incomprehensible...its THIS!!