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I honestly could not speak for anyone else's experience. How clear the illusion of self is seen through whether it's instant or gradual seems to be a factor.

Some people call it God some people call it pure potentiality some people call it the absolute... There appears to be an Infinite energy source without limitation. Look at the billions of different species on this planet... incomprehensible!! Within these apparent different species there is something called the human being... Something seems to happen within the human being that does not happen with any other species on the planet. This Infinite Energy being infinite can also limit itself within the human body.... this energy inside the human body creates the illusion of something separate and real experiencing apparent reality. This energy gets identified with as the ME inside the body at a fairly young age(2 or so)... Your family and friends confirm and reconfirm that there is a you there and everything else out here....( conditioning) The separate self illusion thinks it's separate and needs to find something to complete itself or make itself whole again... it feels separation and lack... it goes on an endless quest for the solution to this unproblem(seeking)... Of course the real issue is the separate sense of self isn't real so it will never find what it's looking for... it's already complete and whole and perfect it just doesn't know it... Sometimes this separate sense of self energy can fall away(awakening)... There doesn't exactly seem to be a Rhyme or Reason how this happens... it's just something that can happen. I have no additional information on how this sort of thing happens it's just apparently what's going on... it's wild crazy unbelievable incomprehensible and unknowable... Its shocking ?

Thank you I may check that out ?

Yes this is partially correct... What's ultimately being pointed to is it's an empty happening... A miracle yes Indescribable yes but there's no one here actually experiencing it ...that's the illusion There's no end result of anything.. there's no one here actually experiencing it ...that's the illusion. There is no individual here for anything to actually matter for that's the illusion... It can be said all day ...the Illusion in the desert is beautiful and meaningful and it has purpose and value... that's the dream... what Nothing Matters is pointing to is the the fact that nothing can ever matter for something that never existed. Hence it's an empty happening... When this is seen its shocking it's scary it's incomprehensible it's freedom but for No One...

You will never find your glasses when they're on your head.... There can't be an apparent ME looking at non-duality and saying I get it, its all one (that's still the dream) You will never find the needle in the haystack when the needle is actually a piece of hay also. Someone thinking their a separate individual does not create duality... Duality isn't real because "the separation never occurred"-ACIM.. there aren't any separate individuals that's Maya illusion of the self.. If you go on trying to gain knowledge for an illusory individual... you will be searching your whole life. Don't keep polishing the holographic Corvette it makes no sense and you're wasting your energy.

“The greatest fear in the world is the opinion of others, and the moment you are unafraid of the crowd, you are no longer a sheep, you become a lion. A great roar arises in your heart, the roar of freedom.” -- Osho

Nice ?.... I like this one also "Life is an open secret. Everything is available, nothing is hidden. All that you need is just eyes to see" ~ Osho

Words of wisdom...?

Yes there's no agenda here so I may look into it more or not it doesn't matter at all..❤

Yeah it's pretty close except for the fact that collapsing implies there was once a separation... "the separation never occurred" ? I like it overall though ❤

Something that was never there from the beginning, cannot ever create duality... duality isn't even real... it's a word that literally describe something that never took place. The apparent separate waves on the ocean does not create duality... 15 different sandcastles on the beach we're never separate from the sand or beach, it just appeared so... A mirage and the desert are not 2 because the Mirage never existed, it was an illusion "the separation never occurred" Three knots in a rope appear as something other than a rope but when looked at closely it's still just the Rope... there was never something other than the Rope. You could never say an illusion actually creates Duality because the illusion was never real from the start. Language is naturally dualistic in nature but besides that, how could....THIS or Nothing Matters imply duality? THIS is pointing to there's only what apparently is happening.. Nothing Matters is pointing to there was never a separate individual for anything to actually matter for.. Do you see how everything is tied into the illusory belief of the individual... You are saying something implies Duality when Duality isn't even real ...it doesn't make any sense.

I understand what you mean illusions within Illusions dreams within dreams. This is why I talk about nothing mattering ? Recently been studying into Ajata Sunyata... or the recognition that there's nothing from the start. Here's a little piece of it: "Advaita tells us that reality is “not two”. Ajata tells us that it is “not even one". Ajata translates as “no creation”. This means to say that nowhere has anything ever come into being. Therefore, the entire universe (or universes) — and everything therein — has no reality. In other words, the ultimate condition is nothing, or nothingness. Advaita is to ajata, as milk is to cream. In Advaita, we come to realize that “all that is, is That,” or the Absolute. Ajata is where we subsequently come to realize that there is not even That (or the Absolute). Technically, from the standpoint of ajata, even nothingness is non-existent" -- Robert Wolfe I'm really not sure if this is even what you're describing but sounded similar ? I'm not sure why anything would be a disservice though because there isn't an 'I'

Yes it's completely nonsensical. This video explains it quite well imo.

The ego is not your sense of self!!

Remember Stepping Stones just use teachers and personal experiences as Stepping Stones You already understand the importance of saying I don't know.. that's already Leaps and Bounds past I am an individual that knows something.. It's an unknowing process and paradoxically the Unknowing reveals more... as I can tell you're already aware of this..?

I'm not pushing a belief system on to anyone... so quite literally nothing needs to be acknowledged because there aren't any individuals. I'm free to be a hypocrite all I want it's called paradox... there's apparent work involved in recognizing there's nothing to be found. I've mentioned this several times... Something that does not lead to anything cannot be a belief. I haven't convinced myself of anything because it was recognized there isn't a ME ..hence why I talk about nothing mattering.. there's no one actually here for anything to matter for.. that's maya illusion of the self. I don't expect you to understand any of this because this is what apparently is revealed after Awakening occurs. It does not matter in anyway if you resonate don't resonate hate the message love the message misunderstand the message... None of it matters because there isn't a separate individual for it to matter for.

Something that was recognized early on was the difference between intellectually understanding non-duality and actually embodying it... When the seeking energy within the body is still identified with as the ME, non-duality will always be observed from a subject/object perspective.. This person here is understanding non-duality out there... The concept literally cannot be grasped by the mind because the mind is dualistic in nature... Something beyond the mind resonates and hears this message and can awaken from its slumber...

Thanks man same to you and your family...love ya ❤ everything is wild and crazy including this virus.

Like Osho used to say I am just an invitation... You don't have to believe anything anyone says they can be a stepping stone that's resonated with for a while and then move on. I like to meet in the middle....trust and be skeptical simultaneously. Be radically open minded and yet grounded simultaneously..❤

Yes this is accurate but not exactly limited to your definition of why. When Awakening occurs it's recognized that the individual never existed in the first place... that was the illusion... So in a nutshell non-duality or Oneness was always the case.... it just wasn't seen clearly from the perception of the illusory separate individual. There are still different conditioned human bodies walking around on an apparent planet but there is no individual inside of them that's the illusion of self within the body. "The separation never occurred" - A Course in Miracles

That's why it's called an illusion(Maya) Identification with energy and thoughts create the experience of a separate individual here in the body experiencing everything else out there.(duality) So the one who is pointing, the finger sticking out, what's being pointed at, and all the surrounding space is the exact same experience(non-duality not 2) Experience and experiencer are not something separate.

Yes the level of spiritual narcissism can get insane when you tack on the I am God belief on top of the egoic self agenda... It's great to have a living example of what not to do.

Yes like lifting the veil and seeing clearly what was already there from the start... Yes I see what you're saying I like those two they're good... Not saying you do... but if you resonate with Tony's message but not energy...you might want to check out Andres Muller...great energy as well...super humble. Great share thanks ❤

Bud I'm honestly telling you, you have taken the I am God belief and stacked it on top of your egoic self agenda and have convinced yourself you are God. There isn't even a you to be God... I don't have any attachments so I don't know why you keep projecting that belief this direction... You also avoid any tough questions on your direct God realization experience... I'm sure you would just say something like it's Indescribable pure Bliss.. But this is just a non dual mystical experience... barely a glimpse it's not Enlightenment Awakening Liberation or anything of the sort. It's super noticeable also when your Paradigm gets rocked a little bit you start panicking... it's so funny to see... but I kind of feel bad for you also... I don't need my experience validated over and over again to satisfy some kind of egoic specialness requirement... I love you but seriously holy smokes dude you're stubborn as hell...