VeganAwake

Spiritual Ego is still just Ego but it's focused content has changed...That's All!! Let's use Spiral Dynamics to paint a picture since most here are familiar with the model. A Stage Orange Ego has the pendulum swung to themselves sort of speak and is focused on Personal Achievement rather than the collective...ie: If 'I' work hard enough 'I' can get this new Job Promotion, move into that hot new condo in the city, buy that BMW 'I' so badly need so 'I' can get that hot new girlfriend or boyfriend of my dreams and life will be amazing... as long as 'I' work hard and stay focused, nothing will keep 'ME' from my dreams. Whereas a Stage Green Ego the pendulum has swung back to the collective and thus becomes the humanitarian do-gooder spiritual ego... hey man I'm going to learn how to use plants to heal the world' it's my crusade to purify planet Earth in whatever means 'I' deem necessary. It's totally time for change cos what's Happening Now isn't the way the world should be. We should also give the Native Americans back all their land and simultaneously fix world hunger. See this is a big shift that's often misunderstood as a Spiritual Awakening/Enlightenment... all the focused content has changed, but there still is this driving force that something needs to be done and I'm just the one that can tip the scale and create the big change. See the focused content has changed but one is still a slave to Stage Green's collective conditioning... this isn't Liberation, one could even call it a shift in consciousness but when looked closely it's really just decorating the Prison Walls of the Mind Matrix with Green wallpaper. Now this isn't to say there isn't apparent good in these actions... look at sadhguru for example, he is apparently doing great action in the world. The difference is his mind is in service to the actions and not the driving force. It is no longer bound to the Ego's sense of lack guilt and neediness for things to go a certain way. He is free to be of service. The easiest way to spot the Ego at work is its sense of lack, the sense that there's something more that has to be done or the mission is a failure... it's a feeling that there's always more that needs to be done for THIS experience to feel complete and satisfied. Unfortunately this day never comes because the Ego will always create another goal that needs attainment in the future... it's never-ending... it's seeking energy attempting to find the end of seeking but it never will because the end of seeking is the Egos Death.( running on the hamster wheel) How can "What IS" somehow be incomplete...it isn't. It's whole complete and perfect but for No One ❤

Yes absolutely apparent side effects seem to be ... but they have no meaning purpose or value whatsoever... The only thing that creates value meaning purpose is the 'sense of self'.. and it's an illusion. Hope is non applicable because there isn't a real entity living in the body that needs to survive.... it was never real from the beginning. It was Maya illusion of the self ❤

True Nature: That sounds like the new and improved spiritual ego sneaking in the back door and subtly taking back over... only this time it's extra sneaky because it's all about love compassion and harmony. Examine the so-called Self with razersharp focus and you'll see it's unreality....its an illusion ❤

What is a true nature?

@assx95 Recognize there isn't a 'YOU' inside the body that needs to do anything. 'YOU' are a misidentification with thoughts and energy stored in the body. ❤

100% absolutely ?

Went on a quest to find myself and disappeared....

Absolutely... it will not hear this message no matter what... It wants to survive. Something else recognizes it...❤

The real unreal...❤

@Javfly33 You just won funny Quote Of The Day: ❤ "I'm trying to prepare for the surrender" Damn Human Condition right...? The self that's not real is preparing to recognize its own unreality... Seems kind of like reinforcing a brick wall before you try to battle ram it...

They can disrupt the normal functioning of the Mind... They can reveal that there is an alternative way of thinking and perceiving or lack thereof... They can shed light on the fact that there is something beyond the thinking mind... They are handy wake-up calls to snap 'ME' out of pathological thinking and the unnecessary suffering it creates... "The ego construct is nothing more than the impulse to repeat. It is simply the path that energy once took, and the tendency for the energy to take that path again, whether it is negative or positive for the organism" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self) Are hallucinogenics and drugs necessary for Awakening... of course not. Can they assist in Awakening... of course they can. (for reasons mentioned above) Can hallucinogenics and Other Drugs have negative effects... it depends on what you perceive as negative. Can hallucinogenics or other drugs expand consciousness... if you consider expanding Consciousness as a different way of thinking and perceiving then yes... do they create a potential that wasn't there before... no they do not.(unless the potential of not using the thinking mind is realized) Now let's get deep... What is before the thinking mind... What is there besides the thought of what is there...

That's why it's called the pathless path ❤ Sometimes the desperate hardcore seeking and or suffering leads to so much energy buildup that it creates a dropping away or deep recognition... and sometimes it doesn't. See the seeking reenforces/ perpetuates the belief that there is a separate individual that will maybe one day find something called enlightenment... But enlightenment is the cessation of the illusory self structure which is seeking lol....see the issue? it's kind of like screaming for silence... It's so simple and so difficult simultaneously... because in one sense it's already the case and in another it's not recognized at all. It is what it is...

@Aquarius Very interesting thanks for sharing ?

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@dimitri ❤

So Liberation could then be described as the recognition that there never was a separate individual that needed to wake up... it was a misunderstanding/misidentification. this makes Enlightenment Awakening or liberation non-applicable... Because there is no one that wakes up.

meant to say can't go wrong( edited it) ❤

You cant go wrong because everything is IT... The only thing that would think it took a wrong path is a thought identified with that says it.

Well this is why it's described as Awakening from the dream. When it's recognized that the feeling that there's more to be found is just another thought, it takes the wind out of the sails sort of speak. When it's recognized that the feeling of separation and lack is just another thought identified with.... where do you go from there? There's nowhere to go because THIS is already it... it's already complete and perfect. And seeking for something other than THIS experience is also it...

No one recognizes it and that's what's so mysterious about the whole thing... it's almost as if something underneath the sense of self recognizes it... Now what could you call that: God Consciousness Higher self... you could call it whatever you want, you can call it dirty socks, but the fact is labeling it and using Concepts to conceptualize something that can't be understood is really just silly... It's absolutely unknowable... But there's nothing wrong with trying to know. Trying to know is also perfectly whole and complete. ❤

Sure, The recognition that there isn't a separate individual inside the body. The sense of self was a misidentification with thought and pathological thinking which started at a very young age. Simultaneously the recognition that there is nothing to continue seeking for because the Seeker isn't real and there was nothing missing in the first place that could be found.

The peace does not lie in the checking off the minds endless box's. Nothing can be added or taken away because everything is already THIS ❤ There's nothing else required you're already whole, just BE...