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Unknowing ❤

Stop adopting belief after believe concept after concept. ❤ Find out for yourself...(this is actually one leo's underlying messages)

No not at all.... Look within: Who is there to remember and who is there to forget. There is a body and there are thoughts about who you are. Are you those thoughts? Are you the feelings? Where is the 'You'?

Is existence not enough? If one feels inclined to help humanity's situation, good do it? If someone wants to preach about how bad or good it is...awesome!! There's ups there's downs there's lefts there's rights .. that's what existence throws at us. there is no point ❤... it's just what's happening.

The meaninglessness of it seems like bondage at first and then it's recognized as absolute freedom ?

Nothing can be done outside of everything because everything has no boundaries ❤

That's like asking a butterfly why it broke out of its cocoon and flew away. It's what's happening... it's what is..

@dimitri it's not that apparent division or separation can't be experienced... it's that it's not believed in any longer.

Non-duality is a word pointing to everything exactly the way it appears without the experience of division.

No problem get some rest..❤ Definitely wasn't attempting to play non dual word games.. language can definitely be experienced as a dualistic barrier though... totally get it!! sorry some of my wording didn't make sense because I used voice text.... I edited it ?

Consciousness is just the bodily senses and the dream combined. Nothing goes on living after the body dies because what believes it's alive now is just an illusion. Nothing survives the death of the body because nothing is actually alive now... it's an illusion. The bodily senses and the illusory separate self experience is all there is. That's why you are not conscious of what's going on at Santa Ana Square in Madrid Spain right now. That's why a bird can fly over your head and poop, and you would not know it until it splats on your shoulder. Something that goes on living after the death of the body is just a form of HOPE stemming from the fear of death or non existence. And actually if you look into it deeply enough you will realize it is just Ego believing it is so important that it should go on living eternally.

Exactly and the opposite... 'You' never reach enlightenment because enlightenment is the experience of the 'You' structure collapsing. As long as the sense of 'You' is intact, enlightenment will always appear just out of reach. ❤

Yes, it's been called 'to die before you die' but those words are pointers also. Something that never was cannot commit suicide... that would imply it was once real. The no self may be experienced as a belief over there... not arguing that at all ❤ The end of suffering is the deep recognition that the sufferer never existed. It's recognized as simply a misidentification with contracted energy, thoughts, emotions, perceptions, belief's as the separate 'ME' character located somewhere in the body.

❤ why would 'You' say Santa Claus and your imaginary childhood friend are real? They are completely unreal just like the separate sense of self located in the body. Non-duality is easier understood after its recognized the separate sense of self is an illusion or Maya.(even after awakening it can take a little while to clear up and understand the implications of non-duality) at least that's what apparently seemed to happen here. It's not that there aren't apparent separate bodies with apparent space between them and such, rather its that there is no separate individual inside of the bodies in which duality could even be real. There is a conditioned body there that comes onto the Forum, makes videos, eats dinner, goes into the woods, prefers coffee over tea, and turns its head when its name is called.... it even knows to jump out of the way of a moving train and how to drive a vehicle....BUT that sense of 'I' that claims all these actions, decisions, preferences and creates stories about it all is completely illusory. It's completely irrational nonsensical and ridiculous to the sense of self because it doesn't want this... it wants to survive...

This reminded me of a book I read talking about the collapsing of the Ivory Tower that we believe we create and hold onto for dear life. The interesting part is nothing was actually created... it was just a collaboration of concepts held by no one. Then of course that also makes the collapsing just another concept. Nothing is ever really built or deconstructed.... but dang if it doesn't sure feel that way ?

There are apparent distinctions apparent separation apparent duality all occurring Within Oneness or non-duality. The belief or misunderstanding in distinction or separation does not actually make separation or Duality real. Non-duality isn't a concept to be tossed away. It's pointing to what apparently remains after all concepts are dropped.

There's nothing wrong with seeking for knowledge and wisdom. what are you trying to find that's not already available? There's already solutions to world hunger for example, which causes immense suffering around the world for obvious reasons. One study showed if humans simply used all the corn and soy crops that we grow to feed the factory farmed animals it would be enough to reduce world hunger by 80%. This passed down wisdom and knowledge was never hidden... it just seems so because it's so simple and obvious it's overlooked. The ego construct is separation... why would First World countries want to change their living the good life to reduce suffering around the world... what's in it for us we ask( see this is the ego) We say we want a solution to end World suffering and then we continue to buy clothes made in sweatshops that keep families in bondage.... we want a solution but we don't want to change our own patterns that create the suffering to begin with. This isn't a wisdom and knowledge problem it's an ego problem... it's the ego construct. We aren't willing to step outside our own personal agendas. Have you seen this video and talks a lot about what we were discussing... a great film ❤ I totally understand what you're saying please don't think I don't...

Just stories attempting to describe the indescribable. You could call it a misunderstanding of true non-duality but that again is another story haha. But that's just what happens... yes Separation and Duality is an illusion because there aren't any separate individuals. It's the dream or Maya illusion of the self. ❤

Where do you think the wisdom came from? It wasn't the Absolute Infinity Universal Encyclopedia Handbook!! The belief that there's always something more to find is in fact the separate self/seeking energy surviving.... there's always more to find... it's endlessly needy. But there isn't a real answer because there isn't a real question... The one endlessly seeking for an answer to its dilemma about what THIS all means is an illusion... it's Maya illusion of the self or Seeking energy or the Knower. There's nothing wrong with it...the seeking energy is also perfect whole and complete... it's just that there's no end to because it's absolute like you said. This seeking energy will just keep adopting so-called new Concepts knowledge and beliefs perpetuating its imaginary existence until it dies. So then the question may arise, what to do then? There's nothing 'YOU' can do because 'YOU' isn't real. Liberation Nirvana Awakening Enlightenment Samadhi isn't for an individual... nobody gets enlightened. Hence why it's been called a lifting of the Veil. What's longed for is already the case. So either the seeking energy collapses or it does not.... simple as that. ❤

I will be the lucky one to find the answer to this absolute Infinity predicament.

Well there might be an experience there that believes that filling up a dream board would be better than all this forum talk or listening to so-called spiritual teachers... that's within the dream....the dream that there's something better to be doing than what's happening. When that knower or separate sense of self collapses, it's simultaneously recognized that everything that arises is already perfect whole and complete for no one. There are plenty of dreams to go around but there isn't anyone that has them... that's Maya illusion of the self. Wish you Joy as well brother take care ❤

@Winny you bet ❤

Hi, I know there is so much information out there and there seems to be so many apparent different opinions, concepts, ideas and beliefs. I used to be a die-hard Seeker looking for the Truth at any cost. One day that seeking energy collapsed and it was recognized the one seeking was an illusion. See there's nothing to find because there's nothing actually missing and no actual separate individual to find anything. It's pure unconditional freedom but for No One. It's common to turn to Saints and sages of the past for answers for fulfillment. There's nothing wrong with it. It should be recognized that these individuals also had their own biases and or deeply instilled religious dogmas held tightly onto. It's the Hope that something will go on living after the physical bodies death( awareness Consciousness the self) the list goes on and on. Awakening is to die before you die... it's not for the individual... the individual wants to survive Awakening and bask in its fulfillment... this is its predicament... it wants cake and to eat it too. There's a Q&A video that communicates what was discussed... it also mentions the brain and its function it plays. ❤

@Codrina ❤ I really enjoyed these positive affirmations by Louise Hay My fav: " I love myself exactly the way I am"....100 x a day in the mirror for a month.