VeganAwake

I get what you're saying.. The illusion I'm attempting to describe is the experience of the finite individual within the body that believes it can become aware of something called higher consciousness... You're right ultimately it's not real but the experience is that it's real hence why it's called an illusion... Do you understand this?

I'm scrapping the whole idea that there are states of Consciousness at all along with the belief that some are higher or lower than others. What's being pointed at is it's not a gaining of Consciousness, it's a dropping of Concepts that seems to cover up what's really going on

I agree that's a great way to put it ❤

That's interesting because they seem like completely different messages all together... like not similar in any way. I'm pointing out the one that believes it can become aware of infinite Consciousness isn't real at all, it's an absolute illusion or dream story. He's saying there is something or someone that can become aware of a this apparent higher state of consciousness. I'm saying that higher state of consciousness is part of the dream story and is Maya illusions.

Who gains from higher wisdom? An illusion? There's nothing to gain because there is nothing in which could be lost....No thing is missing. The idea of wisdom would imply there's a path that can be taken that's better than another one in which wisdom guides a perspective individual in the right direction... this is absolute rubbish laddie. It's dualistic.

It's just thoughts arising for no-one brother. With no meaning purpose or value attached to them. It's Freer than free. ❤ ❤

I think the issue is you're addicted to feeling like you have some kind of special understanding above others. It's a specialness issue. Let's say for example you do recognize something called infinite consciousness. What benefit does that have in any way whatsoever you have no higher Powers you do not know how many fingers I'm holding up right now you cannot describe yourself to me if you believe you're God or not you have no powers whatsoever you're not special in any way.

There isn't a 'ME' or a 'YOU' to have a higher/lower state of consciousness.

They're just POV's/thoughts coming out of nothing under the false presumption they are an individual POV/thought. There isn't a better or a higher POV because the only thing that would think there's something like that is an illusion. It's the illusory seeking energy that believes something is missing and needs to be found for fulfillment to take place.

He died and recognized he was never alive.

@Consilience yes it would seem so ❤ I actually asked him if he recognized the entire sense of self was also illusory....not sure if he responded or not ? maybe I'll check one day.

Of course it's okay, it's whole complete and perfect as everything is ❤

That's awesome man that's what's being experienced there. Nothing wrong with it at all. It's whole complete and perfect ❤

We are on a planet that has all the ingredients for life to exist as we know it today with unlimited potential. Human beings for no reason whatsoever have evolved enough to create an illusory experience of a separate identity within these human bodies. There can be an Indescribable recognition of this happening for no apparent reason whatsoever (Awakening) This happening is then recognized by no one to be empty and full, everything and nothing, real and unreal. Real in the sense that it's apparently what's happening...it's THIS... everything that is experienced is it. Unreal in the sense that it's empty of meaning purpose and value... there's no goal, agenda or outcome that needs to be fulfilled... in that sense it's pure unconditional freedom it's already perfect it's already whole it's already complete because its WHAT IS. No one or no thing is in charge of this Runaway Train or dictating which way the train heads. So in that sense there's nothing to do because it's already it. It's already Paradise it's already the Kingdom of Heaven it's already fulfilled it's already unconditional love.

You're welcome and that's a great Insight... spot on ? It kind of depends on what you mean... the body can have conditioned habits and addictions to for example caffeine nicotine sex alcohol drugs food. You discovered there is no 'I' so you're asking if nothing has desires...no nothing does not, it just is or isn't. ?

Nothing was discussed ? ? ? ❤

@Johnny5❤ Check out the essays on Robert Wolfe's project. https://ajatasunyata.com/

@WelcometoReality @James123 check out the essays on Robert Wolfe's project. ❤ https://ajatasunyata.com/

Haha.... nothing was alive ❤

@Winny of course anytime... If you have questions on any topics I can send you the most relevant videos. Just be aware their also just stories... but aren't they great ?

I spoke with Tony Parsons on the phone the other day and he said the exact same thing... Even the conditioned body story becomes recognized as just that, another story ? Haha there's just no hope and that's the best part weeeeeeeee

@WaveInTheOcean hey my friend, nothing recognizes it and that is also a story. It's truly unknowable! What doesn't happen is jumping to conclusions such as its God Consciousness awareness true self higher self and so on.... There's no one here to know hence why it's been called A Dream. Its a runaway train with no drivers... nothing is dictating No Agenda no goal no purpose. It's Freer than free... It's THIS ❤

@Javfly33 it's the subtle underlying recognition that the 'I' that feels that it needs to find something, doesn't exist.... and so there's nothing that needs to be found and no one that could find it.