VeganAwake

Yup, and conceptual thoughts only SEEM to shape and describe it. But it's always only what it is, regardless of thoughts and concepts about it.

It's incredibly shocking just how rarely this "self illusion" is seen through. It's endlessly needy, never becomes satisfied and uses a ridiculous amount of energy to uphold. The body will literally be flopping on the ground, tapping out, and it's like: "seek seek seek" "more more more" "answers around the next corner, I can feel it" ♻️ The most stubborn is when it truly believes it already knows (spiritual ego)..........it's a real bitch to see through! The NSE...........Narcissistic Spiritual Ego 🤣

Agreed

Hey then what was all that "ignorance is bliss" crap?

What if that which believes it's in a physical body and requires having an ego, is the ego?

Exactly, there isn't an owner and that so-called knowledgeable "self" which believes it's part of a process unfolding, is a thought based illusion. It doesn't actually know anything because its not actually real. It is simply creating a circular logic "self" affirming dream story about the apparent functioning of reality, and then spins in circles like a hamster on its wheel ♻️ until the physical body dies......end of story! Throughout it's entire spiritually conditioned exploration of reality, it's been nothing but concept after concept placed overtop of reality until one concept seemed to be convincing enough to stick with and turn into a permanent belief system. This belief system actually has nothing important to do with reality. It's a tiny part of reality like a grain of sand, but it's not all of reality or anything silly like that! It's really just a bundle of thoughts, so a grain of sand is actually more real. This belief could be plucked entirely out of existence, and reality would continue to function as normal.

It's worse! Nothing realizes nothing existed. So it's not even a realization, it's nothing appearing as a realization that nobody has. 🤯 "There's only what seems to be happening" - Jim Newman

Your theory would already include being both right and wrong correct? What's the point 🤷‍♂️

We're just not talking about the same thing, and that's ok! There wasn't a good reason to butt in on your topic! All is well!

Yeah, I wouldn't describe it as being genetically encoded in the brain really, it's more like the entirety of the organism, it's predisposition like you mentioned...... just like a bear, deer, cat or fish. But for some reason in the human mind/brain, this identity gets taken to a whole different extreme. It builds layers on top of layers, concepts on top of concepts, bundles & bundles of self referential thoughts, preferences and memories, beliefs on top of beliefs. It's like the mind becomes an entity in- of-itself and then appears as the forefront of the entire operating system of the human. The more identity food (conditioning) it's given, the bigger and more complex this identity seems to become. And with all these needy preferences and beliefs, comes a lot of psychological suffering.....like a constant state of feeling alone, separate and overwhelmed. This entire operating system of identification is what's referred to as the "ME" or "Ego" it's very heavy and feels dense. Sometimes, although very rare, this entire identification operating system can die/collapse and simultaneously be recognized as having never been real in the first place. When this seems to occur, it's like a ton of bricks dropped off the mind and shoulders of the body/mind organism. It's incredible just how much energy goes into this fictional self construct. One of the big symptoms of this phenomenon is that seeking ends. But nobody comes out enlightened or liberated on the other side. That whole heavy identity is completely shattered, never to return. Not because something really got shattered, because it's clearly recognized as having never been. It also becomes very clear and obvious how this big self illusion becomes formed over a period of time. Basically that entire past process of the self identity being created is clearly and totally seen through. AND THIS IS WHAT REAL ENLIGHTENMENT, SAMADHI, AWAKENING, LIBERATION, NIRVANA, NO SELF, NONDUALITY, ACTUALLY IS. It has nothing at all to do with believing "I am god" or "I am that" or "I am all of reality" ...........those would just be more spirituality conditioned concepts stemming from an illusory identification.........meaning enlightenment definitely hasn't occurred for the body proclaiming such stories. It's unknowing, just like Ralston describes

What you describe as "created identity" is just the bodily senses coupled with a conditioned spiritual imagination. It's an illusion! There are absolutely limits, a shit ton of them actually.........you can't breathe underwater, you can't fly, you can't time travel, you can't create something out of nothing, you can't survive without food and water, you can't outrun a cheetah, you can't lift 1000 lbs, you can't predict the future, you can't guess how many fingers I'm holding up. Nobody is all of reality, (there isn't a you, that is that) .........and even if there was, it wouldn't matter or change anything because you don't get to reap any of those benefits that a god-like entity would experience. Brainwashing yourself into delusion, is not liberation or enlightenment........it's just delusion!!! So in that sense, nothing you are attempting to convince anyone of, matters in any way whatsoever, it's a completely fictional, meaningless, useless communication. It sounds cool but ultimately lacks in any kind of matterable sense 🤔

This randomness is scary and feels overwhelming/chaotic/disorganized So humans started creating endless stories about reality as a way to manage and cope. Endless stories created out of fear = Matrix

@Hojo Yes, it seems like thinking creates a storyline within or about reality. Almost like reality has to be given a story or its just random chaos. These stories are sometimes called the Matrix