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I think it’s ridiculous. The view point that Trump was “asking” Ukraine for help (valuable info) on his 2020 campaign, is 100% unfounded. Biden is not a threat to Trumps re-election chances at all....we all know this, so, why would we assume trumps suggestion(more of a proposal of action than anything) to investigate corruption involving the Bidens is explicitly for campaign purposes. Bottom line: Its not for campaign enhancement purposes. It’s part of an ongoing effort to weed out or bring light upon large scale corruption. again, if Biden was considered a “regular citizen”, there’s absolutely nothing to “protect” him. But somehow we’ve given into the idea that his candidacy allows total immunity to any investigation involving him. So once an actual inquiry occurs, it’s motivation is spun by mass media to appear as an effort to sabotage his campaign, you cannot be serious...

True. Should’ve said: Asking Ukraine to assist in investigating corruption around the Bidens, Does not in itself bare absolute, irrefutable indication of a solicitation of electoral power, by means of obtaining valuable info. in other words, if Biden was not running and was instead a regular citizen at the time. There’s zero problem here. He would’ve been investigated without question. But bc he’s a candidate he’s “immune” to any investigation? ... even if its for genuine anti-corruption purposes. If you word was that biden May have been involved in a coordinated assassination, and there was a clear trail to follow,(dirt to dig up) then would you expect that the Whitehouse let him off just bc he running.?..

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It could as easily be argued that, trump couldn’t care less about Biden being an opponent. If he beat Hillary, then Biden is a ship that never even set float. He’s only running to spice up/add colour to the dem flock. With all his kiddy touching tendencies to be exposed, his campaign was never viable and is completely self destructive.

Omg.... YES

Yes

How is investigating actual corruption(that just so happens to involve Biden) seen as “soliciting help” or “asking for dirt” for re-election purposes. If someone is involved in illegal corruption, then there sure as hell will be dirt that arises, but it’s not that it’s at the behest of trumps “solicitation” for the dirt, for political value. It’s simply to make an enquire into true corruption. As if the Trump admin needed any help at all to “off” Bidens chances, other than to just let him wither away on his own accord.

No I’m not trying to create a binary construct of honesty, where: “if Schiff is lying then trump is exonerated”... that’s not what I’m trying to do here. I want people to question why Schiff felt the need to lie.

Do you study law ? The whistle blowers recount is 3rd hand hearsay- you think that’s admissible in court? The narrative of trump “soliciting a thing of value” from Ukraine is unfounded and based off the whistleblowers Interpretation - you can’t claim to understand the true motivation of the mentioning of Biden in the call, without being very closely tied to the president. Asking Ukraine to investigate corruption around the Bidens is not for electoral power (as one may interpret). Valuable “dirt” on biden wouldn’t even have been an actual byproduct of an investigation made public, as joe Biden’s campaigns is self destructive and he will likely drop out anyyywaaaay. I stand to let the procedure play out.

Aye aye captain. Thread has gone rather off topic though.

What do you mean by “it”?

would you appreciate it if somebody, through impulse to breach norms(to cause mixture, create a partition) licked your ice cream before you bought it - an act of deconsecration, a Breach of trust, destruction of reliability in what IS...an inclination toward filthiness. Right/left .... Order/chaos.... stagnation/novelty overly novel = nothing to cherish overly stagnant = squandering of surprise, newness too much of either is mundane... ..the dance/balance stimulates thrill. No attention to Adam Schiffs fraud??? (just look into it) Still no solidarity in claims of trump committing crimes, with reference to call transcript.?

Quotes from CNNs Spin of this Display: ”this is a country that has greatly improved the lives of its people” “This is to reassure the world, that they are the safeguards of peace and stability” ^(reciting without opposition chinas supposed perspective) Wowza. Zero expanded negative points of analysis.

What crimes has he broken. Hahaha. Leo. You cannot just claim that’s the case without stating which crimes and how the have been broken. It doesn’t work like that brother, there’s no validity... you know this. I don’t consider myself a trump supporter, but yes it would be balanced and fair, if had in fact broken laws.

Thank you so much. You get it. STILL no one has produced a legitimate reasoned argument that demonstrates, with reference to WH released transcript, a correlation between a quote/s from the call, and a law that has been broken. The only somewhat understandable claim so far, is that trump acted to “solicit” a “thing” of “value”, from Ukraine, in behalf of his administration, for increased reelection-ability. What is the “thing” you claim is valuable? How is the “thing”, explicitly of “value” to the Trmp admins re-election, or as some say for trumps “personal gain”. So again, I ask that anyone who believes that Trump broke a law, to: 1. State the law you believe he broke. 2. Give a quote/s from the transcript correlating to that. 3. Explain with Reference to the quote/s, how the law was broken. Should be Simple Enough if you claim he broke a law. all you have to do, is provide 3rd dimensional proof! I’m not asking for any tangents of political discussion. I have no biases to trump..As some may claim, as if they can read my mind, k. I’m just as suspicious about him as I am of anything. I just don’t like being manipulated to adhere to what people like Adam Schiff want me to correspond to politically, when they’re obviously lying. btw, still no comments on Adam Schiffs opening statement, k.

Obviously not.

Wwttff ? ^^^^^^^^^^ this is all, the discussion is frozen until you show your side.

You hardly make sense. Anyway. bigtree would’ve Luv’d this one: please give me an a example from the transcript where you find Trump, asking for a “personal” favour, for political, electoral gain. youve got to back up your claim. so evidence, with reference to the transcript, that trump asked Ukraine to help his administration, to win the 2020 election.

Im sorry... what do you mean?

I have. What is your point?

Aware of what ?????? If a clearly false representation is made and people start to believe the false narrative instead of the actual worded reciting. The people are being “made aware” of a false narrative. Not the truth

That is likely. also to further smear trump... so the people forget about Epstein..... there is never coherence of sequence of events. It’s always one big production after another.

Exactly. They want nothing more than a media spectacle in an attempt to smear and defame the president ,before 2020. They know they can’t remove trump illegally. So they’ll push this new “witch-hunt” type investigation, in as many angles as they can through CNN and co. What exactly is Schiff attempting to build attention toward? And why does he have to make up false representations, in order to make a point? answers: there is nothing to be made known...they’re trying to bring attention to something that doesn’t exist ( request of digging up of dirt on political opponent). One may falsely equate asking that Biden be invested to asking for a political favour, but this is not why Biden is being investigated. It’s not for the purpose of political aid. The reason Schiff and his handlers (he’s a puppet) feel the need to falsely represent the transcript, is because there is nothing in the actual transcript that is against the law. They need to spin it in a certain way that seems, to those who don’t look deeper, that trump was asking for help. That he was asking for valuable aid from Ukraine, in order to “kill” Bidens campaign.

Anyone? Let’s talk about this please.

Adam Schiff creates a totally false narrative, as a “summarises” the Ukraine call transcript. Listen to the part where he recites his interpretation of the call (complete forgery). 4:09-5:10 then compare that to what the actual transcript reads: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html You will find that great aspects what Schiff claims is said (not to mention the tone in which he reads), is not in accordance to the true nature of the call. If anyone would actually be bothered to look into this. I’d love a discussion.