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@Durka_Durka Oh I'm 20 too. You're usually rationalizing everything you do in the first place, since your mind need to make sense of your actions to maintain your persona. In addition to that rationalizing can be very helpful to protect you from negative emotions, having a story why certain things happen/you feel a certain way protects you from your pain/anxiety, or whatever negative feeling my pop up. By just challenging every story you won't get away with. You just gotta try to call it (but let it be) out every time. Ultimately you won't know why you, or others act a certain way. Try to see situations as they are, at least that's how i managed to do it. But every one got his own way of finding through the mists of one's mind. You "just" need to evolve a meta-awareness in which state you're in right know. But be aware of the fact, that it won't go hand in hand with only positive emotions.

@Nahm @Durka_Durka Don't sit still if you want to find yourself, based on what you are saying. You are searching for your functional self. Meditation does have the goal to cut distraction so you can tap into your true self. You are always your true self, there is no way to see or find it, you can only experience the "(I) am" state. Franz of assisi once said: "What are you looking for, is already where are you looking from." But if i got you right here, you're not interested (in the first place) to find the consciousness you are, but what you are as a human being interacting with the world. Meditation will most likely just get you to feel your true self without distraction, which is indeed a good thing. This said finding who you are (in this world) goes through interactions. As the psychoanalyst Lacan said: "All things in this world behave like mirrors." Every emotion, every event teaches you something about who you are. So the more different things you are able to experience the more you will find who your functional self really is. Try a lot of stuff, try to feel every emotion deeply - don't suppress it. Go all out. As for strengths, if you just meditate on your strengths, but you didn't try enough things to see on what you're really good at, you can't get a result that will satisfy you in the long run - you need to stretch your horizon first. Therefore you gotta try many different things. After all that you might be able to get some insights on your mere being on this planet by meditating. (Underlying here is the theory from Schopenhauer, which he actually copied from the Veda; reality is a combination of an object and the perception of an subject. In between those two your reality is created. Your perception is the vehicle through you can find who you are.) Last but not least: I suggest you to pick your values. You might got some values that are based on bad feelings etc., which you don't really want. Values are not given, as talent or anything else is. Start act upon the values you want to embody and your self will follow up by evolving habits. Best wishes! Edit: Asking yourself question and answering them can be something great or something terrible. It does depend on the level you're at. It can lead to massive rationalizations, which will just fuck you up or it can lead you to who you really are. But you first truly need to get rid of the process - since there is no reality/experience in the moment to challenge it.

That's a good sign. You're most likely getting in a state of independence following this down the road. (If you're into Buddhism there is a state called "drunk of emptiness" - which a more spiritual definition.) That mainly detaches you from a need for anything - After that you come back an enter a state called intradependence where you relate on a whole other level, in which you stop judging people on where they're at. So see your loneliness as a gift and dive into it. Being attached to a certain amount of attention will always stop you from going forward. There is actually a poem from Bukowski which fits your situation quite well.

There is actually a saying: "Intelligence is the only thing which is given equally. Everyone suspects that he has enough."

Exactly that's the point dude. One dude is doing it. He has his a body only he has. He lives in a situation only he lives in. That example (sadly) only show that it's possible for certain types of people. Most fitness dudes have BS arguments - that's sad though. They're biased from their own way. If 100% pray on a ship that's sinking and only 10/100 survive, they're going to tell you that god saved them. So you'll think that you should be praying too next time. What you did not consider is the other 90/100 which also prayed. So the advice has no evidence and you're definitely biased by authority of the lucky ones. Bodybuilder are most likely going to add huge amounts of carbs which in fact is destroying your %. Looking on pure numbers there should still be big amounts of protein. + In addition as I said protein does sate you more in comparison to other types of calories. So in order to be able to hit a certain amount of calories they can't start eating tons of protein in a bulk. BUT I totally agree with you here that everyone has to figure out his own nutrition. + You should definitely skip any type of beef meal - at least. This is causing the most harm to our environment and every one can to this immediately!

You're using toxic argumentations, I'm done here. Already answered, you're just trying to distract.

@Peace and Love Bringing up athletes in a vegan topic has no evidence. They have the time to eat properly. They can spend 6 hours+ a day on their diet. "Normal" people with a different job can't. In addition I would highly doubt that more than 10% protein are actually bad. The statement can not be right because your need for protein is based on you activities. In addition to this just quoting a book, doesn't give any evidence. I rather would like to see the studies etc. here not the opinion from a doctor who could be researching based on confirmation bias. It's proven that low protein meals actually make you more hungry than high protein meals do. So if you wanna cut carbs - pls eat at least 30% protein.

That's actually pretty simple. 1) It's not under fair conditions. Saying that 1000+ people are watching and because of this it's an even argument is just blind. Same with people believing in radical political theories. They're watching the stream because they wanna se him wrecking people. I'm not interested in contributing to this. I watched over 8 Hours of him debating. He got crushed like shit, but some people including him still admit that he's right. So there is no value in debating him. (Just click on the "Impossible People" link) You attract what you are. He's is only attracting people that are in line with his believes. 2) Changing peoples opinions based on fact is nearly impossible. Even athene does admit this. (@Destiny discussion) So there is no way chatting him up and trying to convince him or his viewers. (It's around 20% "logic" and 80% "emotional") 3) There is absolutely no value in debating him. I would just decrease in my own being just trying to make a point. I don't need a polemic discussion. Btw. Your point he does define logic differently. First off all he should use a different word than and second of all I did point out much more arguments than just the "logic" based. Last but not least - It's not an argument telling people to discuss him. We're here on actualized.org. That's a whole different level. I don't need to go to america to convince my german friends I care about, if the metaphor is clear here. Edit: I just remembered a quote from one of my favorite authors - George Bernard Shaw, that sums this up pretty well: "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

Sorry mate that's just not true. He is definitely a so called "Impossible Dude". The argument that you "should keep your mouth shut because you have no balls" doesn't have any value at all. It's pure polemic, nothing more and nothing less. Most of the time introverted people who have not enough self esteem are statically seen more intelligent that people who do tend to be extroverted, even though it's only a correlation not and direct cause. And that's the point with athene. He says he basing his arguments, his whole being on "logic" (which he doesn't define further) and then discusses like a maniac in a polemic way. If you're really interested in logic - than you shouldn't be judging people because of their self-esteem but only (!) based on their arguments, which he is in fact not doing. You can just watch some recent youtube video of his channel - where he is celebrating winning arguments not based on facts or logic. He's just using manipulative argumentation strategies so that he appears as the winner. This said it doesn't mean that his theory about the "click" doesn't have any value. It does have. But it's nothing really "new". And he is definitely not promoting it in a authentic way. Or as Chinese would say - he has absolutely no tao.

No sorry

Oh dear, this really offended you. Sad little pathetic ego you got there dude.

@kurt Here we go. First of all I'm not interested in any kind of understatements or trying to define my "being". Thanks. Maybe read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm. But I actually don't wanna get too personal, since this actually is a forum for self development. You're basically following Platon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy_of_the_divided_line) which, in fact, is complete delusion. At least you should consider adopting to the "real" Platon - Socrates, by adopting his mantra: "I know one thing, that I know nothing". Maybe could help for actually calibrating. Just a quick question, I mean im living in the delusion and I hear about logic etc. . If you wanna scientifically prove where a billiard ball will stop around the 50th push you need every information in the universe for that. After the 7th, you need the gravity of the person standing near the table - not including anything like free will. Now if you wanna tell me you can do good financial decision/whatever based on pure logic - isn't that a delusion? Exactly because things are as they are. There is a reason people use language and that it has given us such big advantage surviving ancient times. Making things simple is a good thing. Actually the so called "flow state" does require making logic things simpler as they are in order to have amazing performance. Wish you the best for getting more positive energy from your spiritual path in the future mate!

@Schulzy Your point on our reward system is very interesting! But our Spinoza fanboy is doesn't have any point. You can choose @Leo Gura analysis which kinda follows poststructuralism (see Derrida, Lacan etc.) beside being a spiritual theory OR you can just read some philosophy history. In this case you should know Marquis de Sade. De Sade is often described as the "dark side of kant" (Kant did argue based on complete reason/logic), by lacan, aswell as Horkheimer and Adorno (Adorno actually does say that Kant's thinking lead to WW2) . Sadism as established by De Sade is based on logic. If you're interested in such philosophical topics I highly recommend to look it up. Just saying being a fan of some "logic" based philosophical theories does not make the world a better place. In fact some philosophers like Alain Badiou actually say that logical ethics are the threats of our modern society. In addition, the beging of the video is just plain wrong. Reading Nassim Nicholas Talebs "Black Swan", there is no evidence that logic is responsible for progress, more or less it's trying things, that doesn't seem logical that leads to progress. Afterwards we rationalize the process and creating a story about it. Remember the story of Archimedes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_(word) (which might be the most obvious example) In a mathematical sense there's no evidence as well. Our concept of logic is mainly based on "Gauß" which in fact, does not give total evidence bc you just need one fact that doesn't support Gauß. The problem is you don't know if any exist. Like Taleb's said in his book; Before we discovered Australia, no one knew that there were black swans on this planet. So everyone thought logical that we only got white swans. The only kinda evidence we can get is though mandelbrots fractal - but is this "logic"? Instead of following a fragile principle called logic, which is in fact created by language as Leo said, you should choose core principles. Decision based on principles are most likely, more antifragile or at least more robust. You can quit smoking just as fast with principles as your core value as with logic. Edit: I watched a recent video - this theory is extremely dangerous. He seems so caught up in it, that he just overthrows any empathy and just became ignorant. As ignorant as @kurt . Sorry mate I know you wanna make a point, but because of that you're actually the one with the ego. You always gotta consider there are some people you won't be able to "win" with real talk. + thanks for being the one judging what an meaningful conversation is. I'll just pn you every time from now on, if I'm allowed to lead a discussion - If it's meaningful enough.

@Andraz As "FindingPeace" already mentioned, it comes within. In my opinion thats right, even though I'd say it simple is. I don't know if Jesus or Buddha ever really appeared on this planet, but they're a great example on finding your authentic life purpose -> they simple are. Buddha and Jesus simply were themselves in such a complete way, that they were viewed as gods etc. (See Mooji on this topic, actually i stole that idea from him). In addition the life purpose should be about contribution. Getting, even wanting to find you life purpose will always be your ego. Always. There is no way to "find" your life purpose - the ego want's to find it (even the "authentic" purpose). Which in fact is alright, we as humans need a thing called ego. As Franz of Assisi said: "What you are looking for, is already what you are looking from." @Tancrede Pouyat I don't know if you're right by saying that these 3 things are in general are really egoistic. As an example you could take RSD, obviously some instructors and most of the people watching are driven by a heavy ego. But if you look at Tyler I completely disagree. It's a nice cluster that he's able to earn his living or even more with this, but seeing his history, there would be ways his ego could have driven him to do even more money based stuff in addition to that, he does take place in the theory from Maslow which makes self-actualization possible in the first place. Even though it might be my ego wanting to argument on this topic.

I've read some advice on meditation, acceptance etc. here. Good topics, but I would compare this to telling someone who broke his leg to go to the gym to get muscles back - it won't work, you gotta start slowly. It's okay to feel down, it's okay to be depressed if your father is ill in such a way. That doesn't mean you're emotionally unstable. You don't have to be running around like Mooji (which is, if you do it indeed good) and be "the Guru". That is not normal. What you're experiencing is the what most of us would in such a situation. So let it all out, try to get angry about it, be sad as hard as you can, let all your emotions out. (Try some bioenergetics if you want to, that's powerful) You don't let go by accepting things as they are. You learn to accept things by letting go - which actually is kinda the same. Letting go will come naturally with the process itself, its important to recognize it though. So throw it all out, go all the way. Or with the words of Haruki Murakami: “And once the storm is over, you won’t remember how you made it through, how you managed to survive. You won’t even be sure, whether the storm is really over. But one thing is certain. When you come out of the storm, you won’t be the same person who walked in. That’s what this storm’s all about.” You father doesn't want you to suffer, but someday you'll see this suffering as gift from him, as strange as it sounds. In the meantime, best wishes to your father and to you! You'll find your way through the suffering and the pain, as your father will as well - im sure of that. Regards

@Leo Gura Just a question. Atm im studying for my exams and was going to watch you video next week, because I want to be able to experience it fully. So maybe you considered this in your video, but isn't there a problem in general to define what successful people do. Beside the topic to be happy with your life, but achieving "success". Nassim Taleb considered, quoting I think it was Cicero, that you'd make a empiric mistake; The example cicero used, was a ship that was sinking - all the people who didn't die in the process where praying to "god". So they said, they were saved because (!) they prayed. But they didn't consider all the people who died praying. This actually means: Did you think of all the people who had these "qualities" and still did not succeed? In general advices like this are useful, but it might be that the title is misleading. As I see things, you should give advice what you should not do. Our brain isn't working that way, but these kind of advices are most likely to be right (if something like that exists). Just the same with Gauß and Mandelbrot.

I think that's one of the bigger "mistakes" (harsh word, isn't it?) you do. Your "Yes" doesn't have any worth if you can't say no - same goes to your opinions. If you want people approval/respect (which in case you shouldn't go for in the first place, but that another topic) you have to say your opinions, even if they're not common/in line with "the other". You usually don't feel respect for a person, which always say "yes yes yes..." or "no, no, no....". So if you're facing anxiety in this direction it might help to get to the point where you understand that your opinion, as crazy they may sound, add value in any case because you're standing behind them. Not because anyone think's this is right or not. That doesn't mean you should ask yourself: "Am i wrong here?" in general, but I think the idea is clear. With that state of mind you will actually add something to the conversation etc. going on, not only for yourself saying: "look ego I said my opinion give me some chips now". Second of all (maybe that's more of a second step) you should open up for a conversation. A conversation, whatever topic it's about, is general self-organized. The circumstances you create are what you have the power over. By circumstances I don't mean the temperature or anything, but your general attitude. If you don't allow yourself to engage fully in a conversation - which implies contributing your own opinion/"yes"/"no" - you don't allow it to the other person either. Maybe that's something you'll need some experience for - maybe you need some effort to get experience, but that's (sadly enough) just as it is. So in general, don't be afraid to open up - you will only add value to yourself and anyones else life. Best wishes!