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@winterknight Leela - maya -illusion -??? game god plays on himself.

@Mikael89 ??????

@Inliytened1 No i am not identifying with body or mind or sense of seperatedness. I experience the body so i cannot be the body likewise mind and sense of seperatedness. Any effort intention to meditate self enquire is an experience movement in awareness so i am not that. It appears the whole body mind experience is an illusion - super imposition on the self - as I am aware of that and I am not that. But yet the experience of body mind self of seperatedness hasnt vanished or not sure how to do that as any effort is happening with in awareness ???

@Inliytened1 It appears like Sense of seperatedness, body mind are with in the awareness. Self enquiry appears to happen with in awareness. But i am yet to experience nothingness or vanishing of the sense of seperatedness. So bit confused.

@Mikael89 ??? Mikael is always having this question ? If self realisation is a brain stuff ? Does it matter if it is a brain stuff or not. Let scientists bother about that ??? Science can propose theories on evolution from single celled org blah blah but how single celled org came cannot be answered by science ? Can it. Whats the intelligence behind that single celled org ? Science cannot prove the existence of formless spirits ??? but mantriks do control them. Can scientists create a single celled org ??? -------------------------------- Even otherwise I am not pursuing self realisation to claim I am Dog ??? I am not pursuing self realisation for knowing about or gaining knowledge about reality omniscience Dog Infinity ??? to gain supernatural powers ??? For me it is about transcending the mind and be at peace leading a healthy (bliss - peace of self,mental health,physical health and a disciplined life ??? @Preetom

@Rilles They appear disappear in other peoples brain offcourse.Whats there to think about this.

@Truth Addict ??????

@TheExplorer There is no point in existence with out having deeper connections with good community and other human beings ? I am sick of loneliness. I dont trust human beings. -------------------------------- Right now I dont have clarity about this. Interactions with worldly people - attachment are not fascinating me any more.Attachment interactions with them brings suffering. No need to trust people anways.Trusting people is trusting the mind. But lonliness is a serious question to ponder. So connection with spiritual community can be helpful.

@Aakash Sadashiva Brahmam a mystique saint who was very eloquant in speaking about spirituality. One day his Guru said Sadashivam cant you keep quiet in Silence. Sadashiva Brahmam went to silence and he never spoke again in his life.

@SerpaeTetra Thats a good question. Mind is holding on to some knowledge-experience-wisdom as truth aka conditoining. When a contradictory post appears mind labels that as ignorance-useless-challenging -a threat to what it is holding on to and hence the anger. Basically it is identification with the mind and ignorance of controlling the external events,actions,behaviour of the other person confirming to its own belief system. Let go.

@d0ornokey @d0ornokey Just sharing my understanding so for.Honestly speaking Self Enquiry is for very advanced souls. Meaning traditionally it was offered only to people already leading a perfect righteous disciplined spiritual life who are seen qualified for Self Enquiry by Gurus. "Nothing in my life is in perfect place and my mental health keeps going down" Only if you lead a perfect life for 23.5 hours.You can sit in meditation for half an hour. What's perfect life - Daily systematic disciplined routines and a righteous life. Everything on time.Eating,sleeping,daily excercise.Meditation. Doing your duty whole heartedly.Honesty,integrity,righteousness. Money is essential for living.So no escape from earning that.Spiritual life is not sitting idle - so no escape from duties as well. So put your life in order and take appropriate treatment for your mental health first. Else calming the mind will be impossible. ----------_------------------------------ Rest follow what winterknight says physchoanalysis theraphy and self enquiry.

@Aakash @Aakash To put it simple if identity I AM vanishes what remains is the Absolute. -------------------------------- For now not getting in to concepts of I am God,love,creation,omniscience,purpose of creation,if conciousness is interested in exploring itself,love every aspect of itself. -------------------------------- So the method-path to get rid of the identity is the key from a seekers point of view. That is what I am focussing now. @Truth Addict Agree you speak from your experience. Osho explains what you said.He splits I AM into I and Amness. I vanishes first.Lot get struck there.Then the Amness too has to go. Meaning no-self is the goal.

@Truth Addict But enlightened say clearly no-self is enlightenment and is permanant.? Not still sure what you mean ego though ?

@Truth Addict But what do you mean by ego ? And what do you mean by No-self ?

@Inder @Inder No.

@winterknight From my current level of understanding. Pain is physical i.e body.Suffering is the pressing thoughts of survival.Forcing the body to act to escape take remedial steps. The Gnani knows all these are appearences in conciousness and conciousness is untouched. But yet the body-mind of the Gnani too is vulnerable.Law of Nature is same for all. Unless and until the gnani detaches himself from body mind and remains in Nirvikalpa Samadhi he can escape pain- suffering(temporarily as long in N samadhi) else he too is an ordinary human being as long as the body is alive and no escape from pain of body.

@Anton Rogachevskia This is what precisely a monk told me yesterday. lot of time,effort,energy goes in an unrelated domain for a house holder.Earning money,Family.Etc. But for monks they are free from the responsibility of making money,family commitments. So they have lot of time to fully spread truth. Nisargadatta cautions the trap of starting an Ashram and getting caught in the worldly business of spreading truth ??? Many Realized saints caution speak about this. So they are not bothered about spreading truth by means of organizing Ashram. But live their house holder life and during free time say daily a hour or two to seekers.Thats more than enough. Dont make it a goal to spread truth ??? Flow with life and live life as it comes. - The above is the msg of Nisargadatta Maharaj and many saints said whom I spoke to.

@SunnyNewDay Just sharing my perspective. There is no free will.Nor as an individual we dont have control over the events that are happening.The world we live in is like that so no point in brooding over that. In other words if you think it is - it is.If you dont think about it.It is not. The only possibility is to live a concious life. Drop the idea of permanance.Permanant bliss and happiness.Nothing is permanant. Experiences come and go and dont cling to experiences.Equanimity is the key.In other words treat happiness and suffering alike and dont cling to them.Let go. You are not your experiences. -------------------------------- Rest follow the path and realize they are illusions. @Aakash Aakash your name keeps comming.The above post is not intended for you.???

@Anton Rogachevski Traditionally spirituality is given free for sincere seekers.The guru is not supposed to ask money.Not as a demand. Nisargadatta Maharaj never asked for a single penny.He just had satsangs to sincere seekers. Nor Ramana Maharishi. Nor Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Nor in vippasana meditation retreat. But to do service what ever comes as voluntary donation can be accepted.

@kieranperez You said how ridiculous it is for people to go after enlightened people to realize truth. But now you wanna go for 4 week ralston workshop.Why is that so ?

@Ibn Sina In oshos words of Zen story empty your cup (mind) to receive the tea ??? Be open minded and receive dont cling to what you read and heard (imagining what your of understanding of what you read and heard are absolute truth or ). Lol What that blogger said is what osho and others are saying ??? I dont have any intentions of convincing or forcing you.what I am gaining in doing so ??? Drop your judgement and projections. ------------------------------- Read it carefully. https://arshaavinash.in/index.php/download/mandukya-upanisad-with-karika-by-swami-paramarthananda/ Read the same by Swami Nikhilanda as well.

@Aakash what ever path answers are obstacles.

@Shadowraix is that not a trap ? Not against helping people but may be after realisation but before realisation is that not a trap distraction ?

@Ibn Sina @Ibn Sina Aporakshanubhudhi Drg drishya viveka Talks by Ramakrishna mission monk - dont remember swamiji name Mikael posted the video link.Guess available in youtube. Mandukya upanishad by swami paramartmananda https://www.advaita-vision.org/q-389-enlightenment-is-not-an-experience/

@Ibn Sina I dont see any difference between what osho,winterknight or leo says. All are saying the same realize it for yourself.Dont cling to our words.Dont believe our words. But if is an experience who the experiencer is ? thats the whole search seeking is all about.