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Hey man, i like the way you look at things, very down to earth. Appreciate the recording.

@winterknightthat is all, thank u for answering me, i appreciate it, and good luck to your path mate.

@tedens deeper nonduality than last time, this my usual line when people aso this question cuz there isnt any other way to describe it tbh lol. Also relaxed and more clean energy.

@winterknight sorry i dont believe that, enlightenment is a real thing, it shouldnt be something that one just convinces himself just bevause he awoke to "nonduality", ive been through the same stage u are now, u arent done in my opinion, and life will show u that whwlen it triggers your attachments and fears. Cux whats the point of all this enlightenment talk when your experience isnt truly liberated? Dont deny your karmic body, there is a process going on. Its what seperates the yogis from the buddhas in my opinion. And why the quotatiob marks on "emotional system" tryna show me how much things dont exist in ur experience? Lol Advaita nondualists including ramana had alot of insights but are also terribly escapist and incogruent to their experiences, it basically a game of just saying i dont exist so that u dont look at ur karmic bodies issues. Zen masters are nuanced enough to realize that this process going on. This process doesnt go againat nonduality at all really, but it does go against your enlightened identity however, tell me if im wrong, no?

saying i am god/i dont exist over and over or getting in your feelings from nondual experiences wont get you enlightened, realize that the part of you that likes saying it/feeling it is doing so because you subconciously want to escape, which is ultimately delusional. instead of trying to force yourself to enlightenment which will only backfire, be patient with the process you're in. reflect ,question and let go of every emotion when its due, but dont numb yourself to those emotions, you dont truly let go that way, and the mind can frame numbness as "letting go" as well. the mind can use spiritual feelings/experiences in the most trickiest ways, to keep you more stuck in mind, let go of mysticism, true enlightenment will happen when it happens, it wont need egoic reaffirmation. I feel like many here and outside claim to be enlightened when they really arent, they just have an "enlightened" identity because they awoke to nonduality i say this because i went through the same thing, which is just the start, many fail to see or give up on the process thats releasing attachments/fear from their system. actions speak louder than words, i would like to see what happens if these "enlightened" people were to have a big ass pitbull chasing them, prob wont be saying i dont exist now would ya, lol. runnn bitchh runnnnnnnnnnn, as shorty would say from scary movie 3 lol, im only joking ofc i dont actually would want to see them getting chased but just trying to show my point. im not fully enlightened ofc, but i have been in "nonduality" for a long while and discovered that this is the case, many others did too ofc and leo aswell. you could be in a deep"nondual"state sure, but are you truly fully enlightened? i put quotation marks on nonduality because you arent trully nondual until your consciousness' energetic system harmonizes with the awakening, your ego has to truly die, not just to reaffirm its own spiritual attachments such as non existence or godhood.

@Epsilon_The_Imperial people take different practices to uncontract and stabilize nonduality more, but ultimately the practices would be dropped aswell, insights can be thought of as practices or spiritual experiences too, but ultimately they all drop at full enlightenment. The best way is to reflect on yourself, buddha called it mindfulness meditation, being mindful and reflective of the ways your ego traps you, through urges and attachments which ultimately come from fear, which we all know is non existent in a true nondual state (full enlightenment), just observe and let go, you will also find out that this process will give you many more insights and depth of life, though it isnt important to cling ot them, maybe as a raft of sorts until full enlightenment. But ultimately everything jas to be dropped at full enlightenment, its just that when ur still in the early stages of awakening, you cant really drop everything just yet or youll go crazy, unless u choose the ascetic path, so using concepts such as compassion or other spiritual concepts can aid your path so that u have a more smoother ride to enlightenment. Once youve been in nonduality for a while, youll see these nuances of the path more and more. This is why the buddha emphasized the 8 noble path, but said at a certain point even that will be dropped.

@Epsilon_The_Imperial spot on mate, but just one thing though, you cannot deny that once you awoke to nonduality that your system is going through shifts that will uncontract your experience so that it will fully embody nonduality, because you arent truly nondual if you still experience fear yes? i understand that ultimately everything is one and the universe is always nondual,but as a being, you experience duality, because god contracted itself so that variety of experience arises, through fear mechanisms which create the different urges that humans have. awakening to nonduality is only the beginning, after a few years you will see what i mean by this process, your life experience will harmonize slowly but surely into full nonduality, to which you have awakened to truth, but not the full embodimient of it. but dont attach to experiences most important thing, the full thing cannot be percieved until the ego truly dies. holding on to concepts such as the ego doesnt exist and not being congruent to your experience will just backfire on you and isnt conductive to the full process of awakening. I suggest you read some of shunryu suzuki's work, he is a zen master which i highly recommend tbh.

if i were to ask to imagine a dangerous scenario where you are in it, will you experience fear? even if its just a subtle fear in your emotional system, dont you think if that was the case, then you arent actually enlightened? not saying this to demean your spiritual progress but i just notice some people are quick to call themselves enlightened, just because the awoke to nonduality, yet dismiss the process thats going on in their energetic system. you could be in a deep nondual state for sure, but have you really fully embodied nonduality? @winterknight and please dont mistake me questioning you about your enlightenment as ill intention, its just that i had a time where i thought i was enlightened too, but life gave me a reality check of the process thats occuring in its saguna aspect, we have awoken to nirguna but has saguna harmonized with its nirguna aspect fully yet? your limbic system can be the judge of that. your feedback would be appreciated my friend.

@Jed Vassallo hehe

@Epsilon_The_Imperial i dont think anyone really knows what full enlightenment is, but they just walk the path towards it. i think enlightenment is a process thats occuring in your limbic system after awakening to nonduality, that slowly going through your egoic paradigms and its underlying fear mechanisms to see through it/have perspective over it and ultimately let go so that full uncontraction (release of attachments) occurs and from that point, you can truly say you have embodied god. before that is just states of nonduality getting deeper and clearer but still contracted. and ty <3

@nistake yeah def nothing wrong with talking about metaphysical stuff, but when you circle jerk around it like u said then its not really conductive for enlightenment

thats nice man that you had nondual realizations and awakening, it can be pretty cool at the start of it, but just remember that there is a process in you thats occuring. dont be quick to fall into the egos desire to keep calling itself god, consciousness or whatever, because u awoke to insights/nonduality but not fully enlightened, i dont think anyone in this forum is really,including me. but its a slow process ofreflecting/letting go your fear mechanisms thus letting more of life in you. good luck man <3

@Serotoninluvu think thats a good title now?

@Serotoninluv yeah prob a good idea haha

i apologize to anyone who got offended by the sarcastic title, that wasnt my intention, just trying to get my point to hit across, meant in light humoured way and not ill intention

@Serotoninluv yup that title was indeed raw ego from me lol

@Serotoninluv you get in a video call with a transmitter from RASA, this is their website https://eliassatyananda.com/rasa-transmission/, they claim to be enlightened but im not sure, but they do have a quite noticable transmission which makes me think they have atleast cleared alot of their energetic contractions. i dont really know how they work exactly but its basically a transference of energy it seems, it puts you in a cycle of being triggered then release, until the mind gets more stiller and less boundaries

@Gabriel Antonio That is probably true mate, im flawed and im open to show them and grow from it, but i still wanted to express this to show the immaturity of some people who post a similar way in the enlightenment community generally, that i tried to show sarcastically, felt like it would show the point more clearly

@Serotoninluv one love

@Eric Tarpall YoUr PhOnE NuMbEr DoEsNt ExIsT!!!111 BeCaUsE I Am So EnLiGhTeNeD ThAt I KeEp SaYiNg I DoNt ExIsT, So NoThiNg ExIsTs, EnLiGhTeNmEnT BrEhhhh

@Gabriel AntonioI think you dont see the sarcasm in my post mate lol

@Nahm no prob

@Sahil Pandit are you currently taking transmissions? if so, how dangerous do you think it is to functional life? i wanna release my stuff but its hard when you have a busy life

@Nahm Yup, while psychs do also make you see through/purge your fear mechanisms to a degree, its unsustainable to use it daily or weekly for instance because it can make you delusional too because of its high energetic amplification quality, so psychs is kinda dangerous for progress in that sense imo, especially if youre dealing with something you really dont wanna deal with, its easier to deal with such things sober. Ive tried the RASA transmission and it basically puts you into a meditative/reflective state to purge your fear mechanisms and the things you do to hide or run away from those mechanisms, though i have to agree with @Sahil Pandit that it kinda can make you go crazy too, cuz it quiets reality down alot and you know that feeling on psychs when its too quiet haha. transmissions makes you in a triggered-release cycle alot of the time, which is pretty disorienting sometimes, depends on how many transmissions you take though. though i dont know if this is a healthy way of going about things still, cuz when i do it im really not functional lol

Get a glimpse of nonduality, suddenly we think we are enlightened, or think we know the truth, but in reality we dont, we just have egoic impressions of it, ultimately no one really knows, they only know the path, they may use perceptual concepts of allness, or nothingness, but ultimately if you "experience nonduality" you are lying to yourself in my opinion. the buddha also mentioned that all these are still perceptual realities from our egos, no matter how mystical or "nonexistent" your experience may be, until your actual system is cleared of its fear mechanisms which build the ego, and the concepts that comfort or should i say numb your issues which you are not reflecting, until your system is cleared of mechanisms which make your experience dual, you arent in enlightenment at all, you just got an energetic opening/glimpse. . look at any dude here who uses realizations as egoic masturbation, anyone who dealt with self esteem issues and such can see through the wowness and power trip of these types of experiences and this can be subtle perceptions in the subconcious aswell. because the people who grew out of it they know it ultimately stems from insecurities not yet dealt with, just being real. but as you go through more of life, you get triggered of your issues, and you grow, you shed, and you let go, and each egoic paradigm thats broken down, more and more depth of reality is realized, because you're going through a process of reflection and understanding, being more and more inclusive (love, word can have baggage though) and open to reality, yet also unclinged and indifferent, not numbed. my point being, forget about nondual experiences, use the experiences as guides for your path, but even that attachment to those guides will be dropped too at a certain point. Leo is fully right when he says that this is a process, no doubt about it.