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@Preety_India At least you know it’s just an opinion A lot of it is, but the entire point of the red pill is = the truth, it might not be flattering but it is what it is, a lot of the guys who point out the truth may be sexist but you separate what’s being said from who’s saying it, the shit that’s being said could come from a talking parrot, is it true though? Most people don’t want there Mind changed. A lot of them are sexists (though they don’t apologise for it). Most people aren’t “quality” people. Sure, most people are low quality (depending upon what you mean by quality) Generalisations aren’t necessarily bad if are they true I’d say all social conditioning stems from biology, why would society be the way it is if not for biological underpinnings? A real woman is again a social convention You have been talking a lot about “quality”, and really all it is, is the reinforcement of these rigid gender roles Here's an experiment I recommend you do right now Put into google "what makes a real man" or just "real man" and then put into google "what makes a real woman" or just "real woman", check the images and quotes and maybe read a webpage or two to get a general gist of the gender dynamic. If you're paying attention you will quickly see the imposed cultural contract. Now despite our culture claiming to value equalitarianism, what you’ll see is we don’t. That’s something the red pill points out, that we’re pigeonholed into roles of “real men” and “real women”, and I find it derogatory. Just because you don’t fit into a role society foists upon you does not mean you’re not real or not quality. All it seems to me is that you’re demonising and shaming these men, who’ve had negative with the opposite sex, from drawing and recognising patterns from these experiences. Probably not, because he doesn’t need to. What makes men look into the “red pill” usually is some forum trauma, your right, where a belief gets shattered or someone betrays them. To shame these men for that I find is wrong. Until that man gets burnt because of his ignorance and then seek the truth (the red pill - that’s all the metaphor is). So far you haven’t stated anything about the red pill being false, you’ve just said that they’re self deceived, low quality, bitter and not real men, not why they are self deceived though. This is the incel phenomenon, to some degree. Though many of them just hate themselves and pedestalize women. Yet again all your doing is shaming these men. So according to you, the red pill exists because these men can’t maintain healthy relationships with women, so they grow resentful of women and stereotype them. Creating a philosophy around that to justify there own shortcomings. I agree with some of what you said. Though I think plenty of “red pilled” men have perfectly healthy and functioning relationship with women, which there are dozens of example of. And I would say a lot of them don’t pigeonholed women, there’s a difference between stereotyping and pigeon-holding. Note - my phone on 1% and I don’t want to lose what I’ve written, I’ll come back to this when I recharge my phone, I’m just gonna post what I’ve written for now

@modmyth Of course I have, I’m not a psychopath, lol The point I’m making is that you, you still take pleasure in it, you’re right when you say that you’re really just giving back to yourself, or you wouldn’t do it If you were in agonising pain every time you freely gave to someone you would’t do it, even Jesus Christ couldn’t have been strung up on that cross for purely altruistic reasons (I’m not Christian) and Jesus has reassurances about reality that we don’t have Likewise even the belief in a god, is not for rational considerations and observations about reality, but instead the religious to are consequentialists Why? Because if they were told believing in god would send you to hell for all eternity and not believing in god will have them sent to heaven, what benefit would they have to believe in god If a religion preached that I think it would struggle to spread Even though the love of god is one of the most selfless loves that people have and even that on a hind brain level is just the weighing of the pros and cons for each action, I don’t know what else would be the best representation of an abundance mentality than the love of the whole universe, but still, it’s consequentialist and primal I’m not sure I know exactly what you mean But I see no reason why reality can’t be infinite, and it would limit itself as you, you are an expression of infinite reality, and the beliefs you have definitely shape your reality and the way in which you feel, I’m not saying what you’re saying is woo woo, reality itself is woo woo All I’m doing is observing from my own experience and from my own reading what I think is human nature, and I don’t think it’s as free giving and loving as people portray it How is my consciousness limited by a belief in biology? People change beliefs, I could change my beliefs, and I already think of my self as an open minded person, this in part is what psychedelics are for I don’t think it’s weak ideologically, and you haven’t demonstrated why it’s weak, you’ve just said it will make you miserable, but feeling good and feeling bad isn’t proof that something is wrong, feelings anyway I would say are pretty separate from beliefs, feeling good and bad is more primal and instinctual than abstract If you want to prove to me my ideology is weak prove first How is my consciousness limited by a belief in biology? How biology/nature can be surmounted? And prove that anyone can do anything for non consequentialist reason? E.g. out of pure selflessness I’m sorry to hear that I would say I’m not completely a fulfilled person, currently, though I don’t say that’s because the way I think or the fact that I believe in biology, that humans have an inescapable nature, I’m not even necessarily saying that nature is entirely bad, find me someone who is completely fulfilled and wants nothing else out of life, those people are a rarity, I’m only 19, if I was a fulfilled person I’d be quite the bad motherfucker I haven’t said that biology is a god, I said in the previous post that they’re these meta-physical, forces that effect us and we cant effect them, at least on a fundamental level, perhaps god acts through the unconscious to steer us (god the universe blah) it doesn’t matter the name Im not a defeatist lol And you’re right the unconscious might not have power and might not exist, but it looks to me like it does, so I’m siding right now on that side until something either proves to me that I’m wrong, or I change my mind for whatever reason How is it cable of disintegration? The unconscious is already present anyway, it’s present in consciousness to some degree otherwise it wouldn’t exist, but do we have control over it, not our fundamental nature, there are many forces placed upon us that we have no control over, we don’t have control over space, we don’t have control over time. And these forces drastically effect our lives, for me to believe that currently we can’t effect time doesn’t mean I’m a defeatist, I’m just drawing conclusions from the current evidence. And I believe the current evidence points that we also can’t control our fundamental nature. Yeah, well I don’t see people as absolutely loving creatures, considering all the death, war, senseless violence and needless poverty. Maybe you can have real love bordering on unconditional on mdma or if you’re bordering on insanity, but for the average person with the average brain it’s probably not something that’s achievable Reality is not separate from us, we are reality, so those intentions emerge from reality, I don’t know what you mean by “pure” what loving intentions, well reality doesn’t seem loving, also I think it’s contradictory to say that despite what reality presents you, no matter how unloving reality seems, still have loving intentions, and that somehow isn’t putting on blinders. Why is it not mutually exclusive? Life sucks for most people most of the time. I don’t let people take advantage of me If I do for whatever reason, then I deserve it for not having the balls to not let myself be taken advantage of Maybe though youre just deluded because you changed your mind about people and then set on blinders but now you think you’re not attracting the same people but you really are Anyway @modmyth , real good stuff ? Got to the bottom of this probs with these posts

@capriciousduck What do you consider personal development? Your always (hopefully) developing yourself everyday As @Elton said Aim to be able to meditate longer and better I don’t do Yoga, it’s something I need to learn, but your developing yourself via yoga with your capacity to hold a certain pose etc... How much can you lift in comparison to last week, is your form good, endurance etc... How long can you run and how fast etc... Subconcious training, I’m assuming is things like visualisations and affirmation etc... How much did you read? How much of it did you comprehend? etc... Everyday is a day of personal development, and really every second, if your not moving forward your sliding backwards Every moment of everyday should be personal development

I feel as though I can relate somewhat to this, I tend not to blame others though, I blame myself for my own failures I wouldn’t say a girl has ever “loved” me though I don’t relate to “do I deserve it or not” though, it’s just when a girl becomes interested in me I lose interest almost instantly, because a girl who be worth my time wouldn’t be interested in me No I don’t think so How it an escape to be happy with yourself? I don’t consider that arrogance I’m know I’m great Maybe I’m wrong The debates interesting because someone who might be reading this can weigh what I’m saying and what others are saying and come to there own conclusions And it’s not like it’s a bad thing to debate, especially if it’s in text and saved because you can go back through this stuff and see people’s thought processes I avoid getting into debates with people, 90% of the time, unless they ask for my opinion You can debate and reflect, observe etc... Debates are meaningless most of the time if your trying to change people’s mind, but in a forum when people make points and I respond to them, if I say something stupid then people can point that out and say where I’m wrong and I can come back to that and change my opinion Cheers bud Your doing good stuff anyway with this post, seems like you’ve done some introspective work

@The Don I can relate to this Whenever I know a camera is on me I’m become self conscious and get inside my own head The best way I assume to fix that is just by being in front on a lot of camera and by trying not to overthink Eventually it’ll just be like whitenoise and you won’t even notice it’s there

@ravlondon Yeah man I know tonnes of poor, homeless, bald dwarfs that get women all the time

@Moon Tell that to all the countless number of other 50+ year old men who get young women

@Someone here Good question A lot of things are undebunkable I would say all things are really You either believe something or you don’t That belief doesn’t have to be “true” And all truth is, is another belief Solipsism is just an idea The same as others existing

@JosephKnecht None of us can ever possibly understand the struggle of that great man and godlike writer R.I.P Jk

I had to hide that previous comment lol I don’t want to get banned I was joking

@ravlondon

Well, if that’s the case, it’s about your experiences, but it also has, you could say a more overarching philosophy behind it, because as you said it’s not a very personal book And it’s written in German Than I’ve got a great name for your book ”My Struggle” What do you think? You like it?

@Godhead So you’re writing in German about the ego Are you writing about your own personal experiences with the ego, you know adversities you’ve overcome?

@Consept Cheers bud Yeah I got amazon prime Ill watch it later in the week Already listened to the JRE podcast If you like JRE, Mike had Joey Diaz on a whole back Legendary

@Meta-Man

Watch Leo and he can do the same lol

@Bazooka Jesus Hitler took the DMT Mao took the DMT Stalin took the DMT Tyson took the DMT The D The D The DMT

@EddieEddie1995 I need to watch that Leo Love video again, for why “everything we do is for love” because it seems to me that it’s faulty. I’m not avoiding relationships If the special girl comes along that’s great, I’m just not going to believe in the soul mate shit To be fair I do have a weird thing with girls where the moment I know they’ve become interested in me I lose interest Ive only ever shagged 3 girls, I’m 19 btw, so I’m not talking from a well of experience, but I relate to The saying - “I wouldn’t want to be part of any club that would have me” Because the moment I can join, I want the next best thing So maybe there’s some mental fuckery going on there Okay ? Thats sounds like some Bruce Lee shit

@Roy

@Etherial Cat You don’t, maybe there’s some rare exceptions, but you know why you dont Because men and women are different Men have an incredibly higher sex drive I can just imagine 90 Hugh downing a barrel of viagra, to get his old rotten pecker up to shoot some whisky brown semen into some poor 18 year old who thought she was going to become a star, but instead just becomes a glorified prostitute Thats the dynamic I see when I imagine old men fucking young women, I see the appeal, but just tap out of the game man, you’ve had your turn

@Preety_India

@ravlondon

@Consept Whats the documentary called? I’d would never of thought Tyson would become the guy he is today, so absolute major props to the man, he’s lived an incredible life And he’s smoking that good old DMT

@modmyth I read the posts you linked I say that as mammals and biological creatures there is nothing that we can do for purely altruistic motives, just for the benefit of others There is always a deeply primitive, biological reasoning behind all of our actions Even cemented into the very evolutionary process, is this brutal, pragmatic, efficient process by which that which doesn’t optimally fulfil our Darwinian imperative is selected out of the gene pool For example, take self sacrifice, someone who is a martyr, or a dog who dies defending its master If the act of self sacrifice had no biological benefit, than the martyr and dog have just selected themselves out of the gene pool, those traits that made them on the surface seem altruistic, but when you peer behind the curtain, they cant possibly be Of course any functional relationship should be built upon a healthy amount of reciprocity, e.g. mutual respect, desire and understanding This does not mean that you do it for unconditional reasons/freely, you do it in the hopes that you’ll receive dividends on your investment If you do treat all people with this philosophy you will otherwise soon bankrupt yourself (if you understand my analogy) What you’re saying is similar to Gandhi’s “Be the change you wish to see in the world” The issue with that is it doesn’t work, because the world doesn’t give a fuck, and will chew you up and spit you out when you attempt that shit, it’s a good philosophy for those who want to live in misery and as failures I haven’t settled for anything, I’m acting upon the way in which the world presents itself to me, and I don’t think if you look at the world with detached eyes that you’ll find it’s optimistic Maybe it’s better to live in ignorance but the truth will set you free, and I prefer freedom than bliss Biology is our current understanding of consciousness, it’s not our god, it’s the meta physical forces that are placed upon us of which we had no say and possibly could never even fathomably have a say The unconscious effects of our consciousness still exist within consciousness, it is a figment of our conscious experience, the same with the subconscious I’d argue that we are mostly subconscious and unconscious creatures, the only substantive thing that separates us from the animals is our neo cortex and higher brain, our ability to abstract and communicate effectively Besides that we are just impulsive, base biological animals Animals don’t do anything purely out of love so how could we Also How can you predict the future without looking at the past? Legitmately curious Im not looking for the best possible reality, I’m looking for reality, if there is such a thing I try to not have blinders I don’t think that I’ll ever make the idea of romance sustainable, if I ever have a long term monogamous relationship with a woman, it’ll be out of fondness, respect and mutual desire, never out of “unconditional” love, as that is not possible and I don’t expect it from her, and I’d prefer that the two of us wouldn’t lie to each other, play make believe and pretend that we’ve magically achieved some idealised version of love, that our souls are some how magically connected We’re just people, and we’re all gonna die, and be forgotten, but for the time being we can take pleasure in each others company, I think that’s more romantic than the shit we’re sold today