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@Serotoninluv I didn’t say I was rejecting your perspective. I said I wouldn’t “limit” my “self” to it.

@Serotoninluv I’ve enjoyed listening to your perspective but I don’t need to limit my “self” to it. It’s just your perspective.

@Mu_ The monkey exists, doesn’t exist, both, neither and other “states” that can’t be elaborated upon (leaving me in silence... but the silence is not enough either. Nor is both nor neither. Nor others...) I have to stop myself

@Joseph Maynor Do you think Enlightenment gives you the privilege to be unbiased and disrespectful towards others? You haven’t hurt me by doing that. I’m worried about you

@Serotoninluv Also, the fact that I’m trying to establish peace with you and am not denouncing anything you’re saying, yet you’ve been constantly trying to denounce me, tells me exactly what type of person you are.

@Serotoninluv That’s exactly what I said earlier. You can’t see it or imagine it. Yet you ignored that.

@Serotoninluv I completely agree with you. Why can’t you see that? I’m “experiencing” everything you’ve talked about so far and “more”. You haven’t taught me anything new. Like you, I’m using words that truly have no meaning. You’re just interpreting them as having meaning.

@Joseph Maynor Okay, so when I use distinctive terms for lack of better ones, I’m unenlightened. But when you do it, you’re perfectly fine. That’s bias...

@Joseph Maynor You said “opposite to abstract terms.” So you’re still using concepts in your speech as well. Namely, “opposite.” Opposition is a concept. If Enlightenment were beyond concepts, it’d be beyond opposition to anything.

@Serotoninluv These aren’t thoughts or images. You’re willfully ignoring me and being dishonest. Also, to say that Mu hadn’t Revealed itself is making a distinction.

@Mu_ I understand that what I’m trying to get at is very nonsensical (for lack of a better term because you can still find nonsensical things within Absolute Infinity). But, these “experiences” (also for lack of better term) are very explicit in “showing” me that I’m beyond Absolute Endlessness (Infinity). So essentially, yes, a signpost. However, that doesn’t sound good enough either because if there’s a signpost, there’s something beyond it. This would be more like the lack of a signpost and then “moving” beyond that. Ugh, that’s still not good enough. Maybe I should just stop pedaling my nonsense. It was never necessary for me to share any of this because Absolute Infinity is the Absolute Truth. So technically what I’m trying to get at doesn’t apply to Truth at all. You may ask, “Did you just admit you’re wrong?” Yes... but here’s the thing. This false, silly “thing” that I’m trying to discuss has it’s own “realness” beyond reality and the absence thereof. It can never be expressed or conceptialized. So I realize that trying to talk about it is essentially meaningless. I only wanted to share for those who would possibly get enjoyment out of it. However, I realize there’s no enjoyment in trying to conceptualize the “inconceivable” (still not a good enough term). So maybe I should just go silently.

@Serotoninluv You can’t think about or imagine what I’m trying to get at. You can’t even have an awareness of it. I’ve said that explicitly. You’re ignoring me and making judgements.

@Serotoninluv I’m talking about neither void nor fullness. Absolute Infinity contains both emptiness and fullness. It’s Absolute Infinitely full and Absolute Infinitely empty. But what I’ attempting to refer to is “something” inconceivably beyond both. So it’s neither. Also, Serotoninluv, I can still go further. You haven’t let me discuss as far as “I am” (‘I am’ and ‘I am not’ only apply within Absolute Infinity). But there’s no way you’ve seen “something” that’s neither fullness nor emptiness within Absolute Infinity because it’s fuller than Absolute Infinite fullness and emptier than Absolute Infinite emptiness. So it’s simply beyond Absolute Infinity. All you said was that you’re experiencing a null void. That’s not what I’m referring to. My “experience” transcends all meaningful expressions, including expressions like pure emptiness, Absolute Infinite fullness or anything or “thing” in-between. Even saying that isn’t enough. And that’s an understatement. It’s less than not enough. ... Yet that’s an understatement as well. And so is saying that. And that. And that... I’ll choose to stop.

@triadne Yes, Absolute Infinity can produce realities where 2 + 2 = 5. But the 5th item would have to appear from either somewhere or nowhere (something else or pure emptiness). This inconceivable “nothingness” that I’m referring to could not only make 2 + 2 = 5, but it could make the 5th item just be there... without appearing... not even from emptiness.

@triadne exactly. What I’m attempting to describe goes beyond any meaningful expression we could ever have. Even endlessness (Absolute Infinity) I think I might do a revised post now that I’ve found better words to attempt the “description.” Haha

@triadne If you can conceptualize "something" that is neither fullness nor emptiness, than yes. What I've been calling "nothingness" for lack of a better term is fuller than Absolute Infinite fullness and emptier than absolute infinite emptiness. That's why it's neither full nor empty. It's outside of both extents. It could make the 5th object be there without appearing from somewhere or nowhere. So it wouldn't even need to pull the 5th object from pure emptiness! Isn't that insane!? I realize this is silly, but has its own "realness" beyond Absolute Infinite reality.

@Leo Gura Yes you got it. You said,” beyond Absolute Infinity is silly. There’s Nothing beyond it.” Exactly! That ‘Nothing’ that you call silly. That’s what I’m “experiencing” (non experiencing). Trust me, I only sound like I’m speaking in dualistic terms because it’s hard to speak without them. I don’t like how it all sounded either but I wanted to give verbal communication a shot. Believe me, I understand that complete and utter emptiness is still within Absolute Infinity. I also realize that Absolute Infinity is both Absolute Infinitely full and Absolutely Infinitely empty. It's everything that it is, and yet, everything that is not it (the negation or emptiness of itself). Absolute Infinity holds the set of all places as well as the empty set of nowhere and every combination of every set in-between. I was calling the emptiness a "thing" which is where my attempt at communicating failed. What I was referring to as Nothingness (for lack of a better term) can't be described with either emptiness or fullness. The best I could say was that it's fuller than Absolute Infinite fullness and emptier than Absolute Infinite emptiness (yes, "silly," as you said, I agree). That's why I tried to allude to it as illogical but I realize that wasn't enough to express it either. I didn't elaborate on what I meant by the 2 + 2 =5 example as much as I should have. Please, allow me to attempt to re-explain. This "nothingness" can allow 2 objects to be placed next to 2 others and the result will be 5 (without the 5th appearing from somewhere or nowhere). The 5th wouldn't even need to appear from pure emptiness! Of course, in Absolute Infinity, there are places where 2 and 2 objects can make a 5th appear from somewhere or even nowhere (pure emptiness). Yet this silly nonsensical "nothing" is just the "first" of a "line of concepts" beyond Absolute Infinity that I want to share with you for your enjoyment.

@triadne No no. The “experience” of 2 + 2 = 5 is beyond Absolute Infinity. So you’re correct that it’s not a part of it. And I do “see” “beings” that can make 2 + 2 = 5. But they’re outside of Absolute Infinity

@triadne That’s a good example but it’s still not what I’m getting at. First, have you seen your example being done? I’m “experiencing” all of Absolute Infinity right now and nowhere is there a being who can put 2 objects besides 2 others and have 5 (without the 5th suddenly appearing). Your example still calls for the appearance of the 5th. Secondly, I didn’t say that illogic was only in the imagination. I said that imagination can never grasp it because you can’t picture 2 objects being put besides 2 others (without the 5th appearing). Now, triadne, there is a “space” where the illogical “exists.” But I said that it’s outside of infinity. Yet, when you ask the average person, “what’s outside of infinity,” they say Nothing. That’s why I call this illogical “space” Nothingness. Because Nothing is outside of infinity and Nothing can defy logic. I’m telling you that this Nothingness is “real” in a “reality” beyond infinite reality. I hope you understand what I’m getting at. I’m always happy to discuss if you have more questions.

Thanks for all the responses guys. I’d really like to talk more in-depth if ya’ll can.

@winterknight I’m not debating you, but I (not my ego, the “real I”) have found this to be the “answer” to why there’s Thingness rather than Nothingness. Thingness and Nothingness are only distinct to each other. But, there’s “another” state where they are unified. I call it Contra-Thingness because It’s a state of “being” both Thingness and Nothingness. That’s logically impossible, but not for Contra-Thingness. Contra-Thingness lies beyond logic because logic only applies to Thingness. So Contra-Thingness can overcome logic itself and make Nothingness into Thingness. I hope you enjoyed.

@triadne Also, suspend my dogma? I’ve had these experiences and “experiences” continuously for beyond an eternity. I’m experiencing it all right now, even as I type. I “see” that there are non-places where 2 + 2 = 5 and I “see” that they’re beyond limitless (beyond infinity). You just have your imagination. Yet I’m dogmatic? Not trying to make you feel guilty. I’m not hurt. I just legitimately am trying to understand how discovering this stuff on my own makes me dogmatic?

@triadne I have “experienced” such a “place” where 2 + 2 = 5 and I call it Nothingness because it is beyond logic, beyond Mind, beyond space, and beyond experience. Don’t you see? We actually agree.

@Shadowraix okay so what you’re calling reality, I call Subsistence. What I call Existence is necessarily logical but I do “experience” this “thing” that I call Subsistence because it’s beyond existence, and therefore, beyond logic. So yes, I’m well “aware” of these states where even mathematics becomes arbitrary. You and I are just using different terms. Don’t you see? We are not actually in disagreement.

@Mikael89 Exactly. “Realities” in quotes because they’re beyond reality.