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Just a utopian thought exercise. Is politics necessary at all? Is power necessary at all? If all of us can express our 'power' in being and stillness. Will the world dissolve into pure anarchy?

@zazed do you think most spiritual teachers have gone through intense sadness/ was suicidal at one point? if so then why not all suicidal people become enlightened?

what questions would you ask on a first date to identify a great individual to be with are there leo-like individuals floating around in society, too?

@Hellspeed can you sense the earth moving too? and how do you know that you can see UV light? what is that like

quantitatively speaking, does enlightenment = how far you can distance yourself (perpendicularly) above your intellectual mind? so it's like mental levitation in some sense? hence spiritual intelligence transcends/ goes above and beyond IQ in that sense..?

@katykat @Krisena Right! It's just endless rumination now...and i don't know how to get out of this rut Thanks for pointing me to the core issue here!

Scored a 100 in an IQ test. I thought i was 120 or 130, since i was able to do free assocation quite well and had some weird, out of the box thinking. Now i'm really identified with IQ as my intelligence I used to be able to synthesize informatino really quickly and read dense books with ease and clarity, now my mind is so f-ing cluttered and my consciousness as well it's affecting my work and academic performance. cluttered thinking leads to cluttered writing. more self hate, more negative cycle. Goddammit.

@eleveneleven this sounds so nice... thank you! and how do you identify green/yellow people? are they hard to come by?

@Leo Gura do you keep a notebook of all the spiritual concepts/ quotes?

@TheAvatarState haha scoring 100 can mean i can choose both ways: either be smart or be dumb, or identify with neither. lollll

@sarapr WAIS

@Rilles @BjarkeT but Jordan Peterson said these were corrupted concepts and Richard Hayer's book on intelligence also reflected that IQ and g factor are far more predictive of career and job sastifaction than Gardener's multiple intelligence and mere conscientiousness. mere hardwork does not get you anywhere

Simply put, I'd like to see what leo was like before he took on this minimalistic actualised look would like to see some 'prgoress' shots of people in the actualisation process rather than seeing the finished/ polished image, i'd like to see rough gems or what eckhart/ mooji/ sadhguru was like when they were rather unconscious/ suffering the normal human ego

@Leo Gura "don't make it a grind" = don't resist chaos and hardwork required to build a good life?

@Leo Gura i thought japanese culture was higher on the ladder tho, since they are so well mannered and considerate. should this social harmony be explained by the "blueness" of blind conformity/patriarchy or the "green" synergy and harmony as a society? hmmmm

I listen and watch sadhguru, eckhart and leo sometimes as a form of procrastination, or when i feel like my life problems are getting so grandiose that i find spirituality is the only key to solving these issues. it's like a good kind of procrasitination that sometimes offer me great insights, and sometimes when i procrastinate enough (by listening to their teachings), i muster up enough courage and face the world again and put those theories into action. lately i've been quite depressed and out of shape mentally, but i do find comfort in hearing "spiritual talks". I somehow have a vision that "at least i procrastinate on actualised.org videos, or sadhguru videos, or eckhart audio books" and not on some cat videos/ social media people fall back to. maybe it's my spiritual ego speaking, where i view spirtual vids as a higher form of procrastination, but sometimes i do feel like this procrastination is getting me somewhere. haha. thoughts?

@Leo Gura where do you think tokyo/ hong kong/ canada are at in terms of spiral dynamics?

@Gabriel Antonio actually i think right action is reinforced by right thoughts. it's more like thoughts is a scaffolding for consciousness, which is the basis for physical action. and procrastination is an action too, isn't it? even if the body is not moving, the cells and our oragans are still operating non-stop...what do you think?

@Leo Gura is this the "things going full circle" again? i procrastinate on spiritual materials so much that it swings me back into action? what a pendulum. so should i criticise myself for procrastinating like this? i have a high vision but right now i feel stuck

I want a high quality counsellor, or some kind of spiritual teacher it's hard to get a personal mentor, though but at times of great confusion it's great to have one thoughts?

@Nahm i see, i haven't been thinking about it that deeply. it's just the sense of presence that i'm longing for, i guess. and to be able to converse with them and talk to them about my specific situation in life would be of great help. many of the spiritual teachings i have to try to mould and apply it to the situations i'm facing would be much more effective if i could hear how a spiritual teacher would respond to my situation directly.

this is not to downgrade enlightenment, but i feel like spirituality is just a thing to fall back on when I'm sad and depressed. When i'm feeling better, i start to abondon this whole ritual and ego backlash brings me back to despair and i return to spending a lot of time on spirtuality/ watching personal development videos all over again. I hope this is still fine, I hope this is still progress made. Thoughts?

@Nahm to see how they respond to human touch, and to physically connect with their spiritual energy, as if i were a conductor

@Hellspeed so it seems like 'depression' itself is not a bad state, afterall. it's more like a state of rest that the body (and the being/ soul/ heart) demands. one thing especially for me is, once i 'feel' what it is like to have mental clarity, the resistance against mental fog become all the more worse. the more enlightened you become/ the higher you are up the spiral stages, it seems, there seems to be increased resistance towards lower stages. the more you progress, the more intolerant you become of non-progression. it's such a paradox.

@Pilgrim i sometimes see it as a mix of both. without the escapism of spirituality (or at least a very lay perspective of the benefits of spirituality), we won't resort to spirituality. and it is because of this egotistical intentions we came here to discover a pure-r form of what could be, the essence of being. pardon me if my thoughts aren't coming out coherently.