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@ajasatya i just meditate casually, but now i think i need to do it more consistently

What was the turning point for you to quit university?

@creede you have some prompts?

Sometimes i feel like i don't want to get better...it's like if you lose weight and become attractive you risk "being on the top" and people not liking you...geez this is such a mind fuck i've been in this cycle endless times. I can lose 10 pounds, it's doable, but there is this resistance that no counselor can help me with...goddammit

@MsNobody thanks. it does become surprisingly unbearable at times...the full intensity of emotions

@Fairy hello, me. hello, you.

@Nahm what do you recommend we do with our leisure time?

@creede I think I'm eating out of anxiety, wanting love, wanting stability, wanting warmth... but so what? it's just all an intellectual game again... i've heard a lot of "spiritual explanations" for overeating, but it's like "okay, i know i'm eating because i crave the warmth from others/ i crave being "special"", but that helps nothing lol

it's like nothing you do really helps with the depression, and I'm starting to wonder...

@outlandish i know...but it's so hard to "get out of my head"...and we're back to the need for holistic personal development thing, and weightloss as a by product..

@Leo Gura Thanks. There are so many catch-22s in life...how do i combat those knots that never seem to resolve? I'm think of concepts of like yin and yang, and paradoxes. maybe watching leo's video on paradox would help?

How do I go through college/ study biosciences when I built up resistance towards the reductionist approach because of listening to more spiritual materials?

@Serotoninluv @Nahm @ajasatya thank you, any practical ways to study it (mixed with some spirituality, perhaps)?

@ajasatya what is it, then?

@rounder how do you find a therapist who is into yoga and does consciousness work?

Again, because of the ego? He puts it very beautifully in his ted talk on depression. So what is the root of his depression, and is it because of him identifying too much with the ego? Can his depression be justified? His depression seems so beautiful and real... and he does seem to have a life purpose! (compared to my petty depression and anxiety lol) He's a man I respect. But I am still clueless about this thing called depression. Someone please explain.

@Leo Gura @Gabriel Antonio Thanks Leo. And also Gabriel. Can meditation PLUS going the conventional way of "seeking help" from a therapist/ counselor work together? Since coming from Leo's perspective (and I do buy it) that depression is self-inflicted. But sometimes we have to admit to our stupidity and ask for help (though some therapist don't speak in terms of ego/ mind assgining meaning to depression, and I find that I'm kind of alone in this because no one i physically know can speak with me on those terms...)

@Nahm Good question, I have no idea. I'm just so lost. Sometimes I feel like you can only wait and suffer through that...it's like waiting for the next quantum leap.

Leo says there are plenty of scientific evidence for paranormal/ extrasensory perception. I need some sources to bring it forward to my professor.

How do I study science (neuroscience/ biology/ psychophysics) when I have resistance for rote-memorisation and dry information (especially in such reductionist paradigm??) I know Leo has done well in the sciences at college too, how do I apply that to studies of more scientific subjects at university?

@Vinnie which books do you recommend?

@Nahm the state of being out of alignment and fragmented for a sustained period of time, really

(on spiral dynamics) So I've had a year-long abroad experience in a perhaps, greener society, now I'm back to my home - a more orange society. Been experiencing so much resistance towards this orange place, and slowly falling into depression. How should one cope? @Leo Gura

@Manjushri i think on the brink of death also lies the largest life force. as you are 'hanging on to dear life' while you are struggling in deep state of darkness, that's when you discover you are given a great force, even if you didn't ask for it. the willingness to 'struggle' and the immense effort it must have taken for you to post your thoughts on the forum is perhaps, a sign of that. hold on to that and it will lead you to somewhere

How should I integrate his ideas - on psychology, thinking clearly and logically, into advancing into green? To be honest I have no idea which stage I am in, but for a period of time I found his presentations to be very attractive, and my ego has clinged onto it. Now there is a part of me that slowly 'moves away', or 'rejects' his ideas, but I do not think that fully rejecting his ideas is a way to go - i think integration is a nice way to go. But I need some pointers