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@Bill W I agree. It quite a profound quote!
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For what it's worth,,,,, Becoming fixated in the Spiritual Domain, there is a swing to the dichotomies of that domain. This can manifest in a positive sense as a focus on Spirituality on one side, or Realism at the other side. It can manifest in a negative sense as Fanaticism at one extreme or Skepticism at the other extreme. These dichotomies are represented by two characters: the Believer at one end, the Doubter at the other. Prejudices invade the consciousness in this domain. The stress of being fixated and imbalanced in this domain can lead to Sensuality as a compensatory mechanism. The poisons of this domain are Ignorance, Arrogance and Stupidity. The Trap which simultaneously restricts but potentially liberates this ego is its focus on Seeking. The Way of self-realization of this ego is the Way of Self-Awareness, which is “immensely mystical” and which entails becoming aware of one’s “internal inner clarity”. The Holy Idea which acts as a catalyzer for the transformation of this ego is Holy Love/ Divine Love. This can lead to the Virtue (energy) of Action. According to Ichazo, Divine Love is “The awareness that though the laws which govern reality are objective, they are not cold, because these cosmic laws inevitably lead to the creation of organic life, and Life itself, like all natural phenomena, fulfills a cosmic purpose. As soon as the mind’s word mechanism is destroyed, love, the natural condition of the mind, appears. Love begins the moment man contemplates the Creation and says, ‘Thank you, God.’ All men feel this somewhat, no animal can feel this at all. Man alone can know that all comes from God.” from: https://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php/48274-Oscar-Ichazo-s-enneagram-descriptions
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Light and Darkness Heaven and Earth are the same: phenomena, problems, things, and beings are the same everywhere. Sometimes they are more obscure, sometimes they are more illuminating. Regardless of how they appear, the path leads from darkness into light. The darkness is the source, the light is what comes from it. Regardless of what you do, you will never be totally in the light. This darkness is the source of my being. For the darkness is the root of love! The light of the darkness radiates brighter than the sun… Sorrow No one would make the decisive step without sorrow and doubt. But taking that step has nothing to do with sadness. It is shed like the skin of a snake. The darkness is able to generate the right reason, one more difficult, but also better, than the next. But it will not always be so. Some day love will shine upon you. Then sorrow will simply be the undertone of the resulting harmony. The path is there from the very beginning. Sometimes it is easier, sometimes harder. But one thing is essential: the depth emerges from the strength of sorrow. Without sorrow there is no course; without the course the path is not passable. Mourn – not over the self – but over what is yet to be done. Each day brings further sorrows, and eventually you will reach the original cause of sorrow. Then you can finally begin the ascent back. Rejoice in your sorrow, for the darkness will not remain with you much longer. From: https://schoolofwisdom.com/visions-and-poems/ Dont know if this is your cup of tea,,,, I just felt inspired to post it
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Zigzag Idiot replied to Forrest Adkins's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I find the practice of having two 20-30 minute Centering Prayer practices per day sufficient . Studies have shown that a twenty minute stretch of Centering Prayer can have an effect on altering neural networks if gone about with any degree of diligence. Over time this has a cumulative effect in producing a more accessible Witnessing consciousness. ? Witness Consciousness to me feels like activating the intensity and clarity of an altruistic and benign honey badger minus the violent behavior. If done with any degree of earnestness, I feel it helps shoehorn my narrative consciousness into the more steady and equaninimous condition of witness consciousness, which after time develops a srtengthened morphogenetic field of its own. That is all. ?????? Underlying ligtheartness can provide an benefiviual cruicial element. False seriousness is often an impediment to intuition, openness and goodwill and a limited awareness. -
Zigzag Idiot replied to electroBeam's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@electroBeam Good question! @LfcCharlie4 @Nahm @Tanz @erik8lrl @mandyjw ???? ✌️ ? ? -
My 'spirtual ego' is up on the stump shaking its finger at the unintegrated, yet identified pile of stuff in my collection of conditioned associations. Fueled by strong coffee/paint remover this morning. I'm preaching to the mirror in front of me,,,,,,, . We need a healthy ego before we can transcend it or before transformation can occur. Individuation as well as integration are both required. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuation Personality is the synthetic unity of all personal traits. All the mental traits—intelligence, emotions and sentiments, impulses, volitions, native and acquired reactions, must be organized and integrated into a unity. The uniting of all mental traits into personality is called integration. Complete integration is the ideal of personality. A sound personality comprises reaction tendencies that are not loosely organized but closely related to integrated. They are gradually reorganized and reconstructed according to more dominant interests and ideals. Although gradually changing during long periods of time, the personality usually possesses a continuity of pattern which the person himself and others recognize. In every person there is the primary or dominant self, which is his innermost characteristic self. It has a special unity which tends to endure, and is expressed in certain familiar reaction tendencies.McDougall regards integration of personality as integration of intellect and integration of character all the conflicting reaction tendencies should be harmonized and organised gradually and integrated with the dominant trends. A personality should be well-integrated and flexible. An integrated and inflexible personality cannot adapt itself to the- changing environment. An ideal personality should be integrated and flexible. It should reveal in some degree the characteristics of integration, consistency, persistency, and flexibility. Disintegration of Personality: The conflicting reaction tendencies in a person may not be harmonized and organized into a unity. The disturbances of personality are due to disintegration or dissociation. The term dissociation applies to all forms of disintegration of consciousness into separate parts. It is a state in which certain activities are no longer integrated with the personality, but are split off from it and coexist with its other activities. It covers practically all mental abnormalities. There are sensory dissociation in the form of anesthesia ideational dissociation in the form of hallucinations and delusion, and motor dissociation in the form of automatisms. Dissociated or alternating personalities are interesting phenomena. Insanity is due to mental disintegration. An insane person is torn between conflicting demands of reality and hallucinatory, unreal world. From: http://www.psychologydiscussion.net/personality/integration-and-disintegration-of-personality-psychology/1683 and also a couple of quotes from Jana Dixon http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php@story=ShadowSabotageandSacrifice.html The difference between prepersonal and transpersonal giving is that, prepersonal service is undertaken in order to find happiness through giving, while transpersonal generosity is enacted because we are already happy. The first is entropic or dissipatory and the second is syntropic and regenerative. Presence-awareness is not a denial of any part of our being, but a sensitization to the whole of it. And 3 quotes from Almaas Individuation is the Cosmic Conscious Presence Individualizing and Manifesting as the Personal Essence We have been discussing the process of personalization of the Cosmic Consciousness, which shows the direct relation of the Personal Essence to the formless realms of Being. It indicates, in an actual personal experience, that individuation is really the Cosmic Conscious Presence individualizing and manifesting as the Personal Essence. This process is also the deeper resolution of ego inadequacy. It is easy to see here that ego inadequacy is not only a consequence of the loss of contact with Essence, but also due to the separateness of ego boundaries that isolates the ego individuality from the Cosmic Presence. The Personal Essence has no inadequacy because it is directly connected to, and hence completely supported by, the Cosmic Loving Presence. Ego boundaries leave the ego individuality without the inner support of the various aspects of Essence, and without the comprehensive support of the Cosmic Essence (Consciousness). So just as we saw before that ego inadequacy is due to a mistaken sense of self, now we see that it is also due to the presence of ego boundaries. Both intrapsychic self-structures, the sense of identity and the sense of separateness, although indispensable to ego existence, are the reasons for its deep and basic inadequacy. Inadequacy is the deep nature of ego, due to the mere presence of its structure. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 444 The Personal Essence is the True Autonomous Individuation Not only does this process of developing “ego autonomy” put one in bondage to one’s past in the form of self-images, it also leaves one relating to the object images of one’s early primary caretakers, and therefore under their coercive influence, which functions as what the analytic model calls the “superego.” Thus even though the ego might be relatively independent emotionally from the love object, its sense of identity is definitely not. The sense of self of the ego, and its individuality, are fundamentally dependent on the traits of the objects in the inner world, and on the particulars of the childhood interactions with it. We will discuss in some detail later how the development of the Personal Essence is related to the ego development which occurs through identification. When one is the Personal Essence, one does become free of these identifications and of the influence of the early caretakers which has lived on in the ego’s object images. The Personal Essence is an ongoing sense of Beingness, completely independent of mind and memory, and hence completely free. It is the true autonomous individuation. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 58 From : https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/individuation The False Pearl Developed According to the Ego Ideal Very good—the relationship between the self and the personal essence, or what we call the “point” and the “pearl.” The false pearl is the personality which has developed according to the ego ideal. The personal essence, the personal beingness, on the other hand, which we call the Pearl Beyond Price, develops by living according to your essential self. This essential development can take place only when you are not separate from yourself. When you are who you are, when you are just precisely yourself, you are your “point.” Just that. This has nothing to do with any qualities, functions, capacities, and skills you may have. It has nothing to do with your status in the world, and nothing to do with living this life in a body or not in a body. It is your nature. The Pearl Beyond Price is the connection between this genuine center and all the capacities, skills, and understanding that are a part of your growth as a human being. It allows your capacities, functions and accomplishments to develop in a genuine way as an outgrowth of your spontaneous unfoldment. It is the result of living in the moment, living in a way that is true to who you are. This is your genuine personal life, your own development, your own growth. The pearl is the actualized individuation of your Soul. So the personal essence is connected with your unique function, your unique work in this life. To actualize your particular unique work in this life means to be your personal essence. It is the essence of all that you have developed and integrated in your soul as you live a real life. Diamond Heart Book Three, pg. 66 From :https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/false-pearl The Pearl is the Actualized Individuation of Your Soul When you are who you are, when you are just precisely yourself, you are your “point.” Just that. This has nothing to do with any qualities, functions, capacities, and skills you may have. It has nothing to do with your status in the world, and nothing to do with living this life in a body or not in a body. It is your nature. The Pearl Beyond Price is the connection between this genuine center and all the capacities, skills, and understanding that are a part of your growth as a human being. It allows your capacities, functions and accomplishments to develop in a genuine way as an outgrowth of your spontaneous unfoldment. It is the result of living in the moment, living in a way that is true to who you are. This is your genuine personal life, your own development, your own growth. The pearl is the actualized individuation of your Soul. So the personal essence is connected with your unique function, your unique work in this life. To actualize your particular unique work in this life means to be your personal essence. It is the essence of all that you have developed and integrated in your soul as you live a real life. Everyone is born with the true self, with the point. Although we feel that the point is unique in each of us, the quality of the point is universal. Then how do people become so different in their personal lives? This is due to the particular development of their personal essence. Excuse me please for the lengthy and varied copy and paste excerpts in this post. I got carried away,,,,, It happens. It is being observed,,,, for the most part. Still, in part I'm a loose cannon. ????
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Read this soon after you posted it the other day. My thoughts have been with you periodically this week in a Tonglen way.
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With eyes closed and quality sound equipment.
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You just have to discover for yourself, I would say. Ocke de Boer- In his own words: "Gurdjieff was and is a very big guy in the Fourth Way, but he did not invent it." http://www.higherbeingbodies.com/about-the-author.html I try to observe my tendency towards hero worship. This is a lifelong behavioral tendency of mine. From Captain Kirk and Mr Spock, Yoda, L. Ron Hubbard, Ken Wilbur, Eckart Tolle, Cynthia Bourgeault, ALi Almaas, George Gurdjieff, Ocke de Boer, Hunter Thompson, George Washington,,,, etc.,,
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http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php@story=DroppingthePain-body.html
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That's absolutely fine. Thanks for sharing. ?@ElseImproved
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He mentions a counterintuitive "precondition for experiencing the Cosmic giggle" which I take roughly as being in the flow and it sounds like what Almaas refers to as basic trust. It may sound like a stretch but as a state of consciousness, it's very similar it seems. IME Basic Trust Enables You to Completely Stay with Experience As we have seen, when you are trying to make something happen, you are not trusting the natural order; you don't trust that Essence itself will manifest in the way it is needed. The first point of departure from this trust is always a rejection of the now. To apply the perspective of basic trust, of true will, you must have the complete confidence that staying completely with what you are experiencing in this moment, will result in what needs to happen, without your having to think about a certain outcome. When the confidence is there, your awareness of exactly what is happening in you will allow you to see that your organism will do the best it can in the situation. Your mind, however, doesn't allow that complete Presence in the now; it thinks it knows what is best for you, but of course it knows only what has happened in the past, and can lead you only in ways conditioned by your history. Diamond Heart Book Two, pg. 118
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? Great articulation/thoughts/integration!!
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There is really some value to these short clips explaining Fourth Way Ideas.
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Inner considering robs energy
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Unconditional Love cannot be held as a behavioral standard. At times, I've observed guilt/shame feelings arise automatically. For no reason other than just reacting to my own automatic reflections. We can only feel what we honestly feel. Guilt often shows up mechanically. This is where awareness is curative. Witness Consciousness does not feed on negative emotions. Self Observation without inner criticism is curative, eventually. from The Oracle Of The Cosmic Way: "The idea of both conditional and unconditional love comes from the collective ego, and reveals its thinking in terms of opposites. Giving love on conditions is the ego's way of withholding love until it gets what it wants. True love is a Cosmic gift to a person's true self, and is meant to flow from there to other's true selves, and back to the Cosmos, in a complete circle. This Cosmic gift is never meant to be thrown away at the ego because the ego is outside the Cosmic principles. The collective ego has invented the idea of unconditional love to rob the True self of its very life force, under the pretense that it is "spiritual" to extend one's love to everyone, regardless of the ego's presence."
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I notice how I never do,, what I say I'm going to do.
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Zigzag Idiot replied to ir8221cu's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Abstract Morning Scrabble and becoming transpersonal Child - prerational - innocence - pre-personal - spontaneity slowly dissolves adult - rational - securing survival necessities - ego/personality - reactivity replaces spontaneity actualizer - foregiveness/letting go - transrational - Metanoia - spontaneity returns - transpersonal Love - understanding I never really liked Donavan's music but I couldn't resist holding my nose and posting this song,,,,? Love with a big L is Transpersonal Love ?♂️✌️?♂️ -
Zigzag Idiot replied to Zigzag Idiot's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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